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Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

Uglycat posted:

Did Q push the 'hillary kilt seth' narrative? Surely yes, but I've not been following myself...

Seems like it...

quote:

Q also said these gangs were being arrested because they had been used by the Dem party to commit crimes including Murder. He said that MS-13 members had killed Seth Rich on orders from Podesta. #QAnon /35

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Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

OwlFancier posted:

Also does it really matter whether Russia is behind it or not? The problem remains that clearly there is an abundance of right wing lunatics out there ready to believe anything and that's not an invention of Russia.

If anything I feel like seeing Russians behind every bush is detrimental because that leads to hawkish foreign policy remedies to fix the situation, and not to tackling the vulnerability that is being exploited (be it Russia, the alt-right, or emergent behaviour).

"Our democracy is broken as gently caress so we need to push for more sanctions on Putin", basically.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

Sulphagnist posted:

If anything I feel like seeing Russians behind every bush is detrimental because that leads to hawkish foreign policy remedies to fix the situation, and not to tackling the vulnerability that is being exploited (be it Russia, the alt-right, or emergent behaviour).

"Our democracy is broken as gently caress so we need to push for more sanctions on Putin", basically.
The fact that it happens at all is depressing and fascinating, which to me makes the question of who's behind it less interesting. Q wouldn't be worth talking about if nobody took him seriously, and that aspect is more about human psychology and less about who's behind the keyboard. If it wasn't the Russians it could be somebody else, whether another organized state actor, an Adelson/Koch-type billionaire, a cult, the inner circle of some alt-right discord group, or whoever.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




This week's invisibilia is on patten finding and has some relevant concepts.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Y6ztmuMRVYW6oDt

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres
Goddamit, I hate this kind of thing. Unless noted investigative journalism rag "www.maga1776.com" actually did all the legwork to find these numbers, we can assume that they just got the number off some alleged gov't site or paper. Well, *cite* your drat sources people. I would be totally willing to believe there was a massive uptick in HT arrests if someone pointed me at a credible source for it, but your lovely MAGA blog is not really a convincing argument for anyone not already firmly in your pocket.

I realize this is idiots making memes for idiots, but as someone who's worked in research it's frustrating to see a blatant disregard for the utter basics of sourcing your data.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

Goddamit, I hate this kind of thing. Unless noted investigative journalism rag "www.maga1776.com" actually did all the legwork to find these numbers, we can assume that they just got the number off some alleged gov't site or paper. Well, *cite* your drat sources people. I would be totally willing to believe there was a massive uptick in HT arrests if someone pointed me at a credible source for it, but your lovely MAGA blog is not really a convincing argument for anyone not already firmly in your pocket.

I realize this is idiots making memes for idiots, but as someone who's worked in research it's frustrating to see a blatant disregard for the utter basics of sourcing your data.



would you be shocked if I told you that the offered link was a 404?

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler
Fortunately the wayback machine has it: https://web.archive.org/web/20171218082412/www.maga1776.com/rescue.html

The 2017 number includes every news story about human trafficking from anywhere in the world in 2017 - Sweden, Canada, Nigeria, etc. Data for 2016 (and presumably previous years, another broken link) is only arrests made by ICE within the US.

MAGA!

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

Fortunately the wayback machine has it: https://web.archive.org/web/20171218082412/www.maga1776.com/rescue.html

The 2017 number includes every news story about human trafficking from anywhere in the world in 2017 - Sweden, Canada, Nigeria, etc. Data for 2016 (and presumably previous years, another broken link) is only arrests made by ICE within the US.

MAGA!

How to Lie With Statistics is one of my go-to things to read on airplanes and 'literally just use an unrelated number for the last data point' is so brazen as to not even be a method he considered.

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

Fortunately the wayback machine has it: https://web.archive.org/web/20171218082412/www.maga1776.com/rescue.html

The 2017 number includes every news story about human trafficking from anywhere in the world in 2017 - Sweden, Canada, Nigeria, etc. Data for 2016 (and presumably previous years, another broken link) is only arrests made by ICE within the US.

MAGA!

MA&S&C&NGA!


Are you open-minded enough Conservapedia shout-out to consider that maybe those other nations posted zero arrests in previous years, and it is only since Trump Put Them On Notice that those other, lesser nations got off their duffs, saluted the POTUS, and started arresting preverts?

TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Apr 2, 2018

Polygynous
Dec 13, 2006
welp
It's more likely Trump secretly arrested and pardoned himself 5000 times.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Polygynous posted:

It's more likely Trump secretly arrested and pardoned himself 5000 times.

5000 sealed indictments!!!

hanales
Nov 3, 2013
Dear this thread:

I love you, please keep posting these awesome things.

Sincerely,

Person reading it.

Karia
Mar 27, 2013

Self-portrait, Snake on a Plane
Oil painting, c. 1482-1484
Leonardo DaVinci (1452-1591)

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

Fortunately the wayback machine has it: https://web.archive.org/web/20171218082412/www.maga1776.com/rescue.html

The 2017 number includes every news story about human trafficking from anywhere in the world in 2017 - Sweden, Canada, Nigeria, etc. Data for 2016 (and presumably previous years, another broken link) is only arrests made by ICE within the US.

MAGA!

I laughed for a solid five minutes, my neighbors probably think I'm insane. That's my new favorite graph, it's just so stupidly blatant. I'm just trying to imagine the thought process where someone would actually put together complete falsehoods to support their viewpoint. If you can't support your arguments with facts maybe you shouldn't be making them.

I know, I know, post-fact reality. It's just so foreign and weird to me.

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres
I took a few minutes to add up all the non-US cases, and got 1,497. So *assuming* the rest of the chart is accurate, that's still a substantial increase.

That said, do we have any remotely good reason to trust this chart's methodology at this point?

What I'd really like to see is the equivalent total US numbers from the exact same source, but for 2017, which would provide an actual (theoretically) consistent data set for the chart.

EDIT: from earlier in 2017, but Reason has a good breakdown of the silliness of the numbers. Part of it is that they're taking *very* limited snapshots of previous years' data (like not even from all 50 states) and for 2017 they're counting basically anything that they can get their hands on that involves the sex trade, including apparently people buying sex from freely consenting adult sex workers. In one example case:

quote:

478 people arrested in a statewide California sting that included zero sex-trafficking arrests, according to a press release from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. One-hundred and forty-two men were arrested for attempting to pay consenting adult women for sexual activity. Thirty-six men were arrested for pimping. The rest of those arrested—300 in total—were women taken in on prostitution charges or people in trouble for charges unrelated to commercial sexual activity.

This was exactly my question: are they busting women (and men) sex workers and counting *their* arrests as "human trafficking arrests"? And the answer would be yes, yes they are.


https://reason.com/blog/2017/02/27/trumps-fake-crackdown-on-sex-trafficking

TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Apr 3, 2018

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

I took a few minutes to add up all the non-US cases, and got 1,497. So *assuming* the rest of the chart is accurate, that's still a substantial increase.

That said, do we have any remotely good reason to trust this chart's methodology at this point?

What I'd really like to see is the equivalent total US numbers from the exact same source, but for 2017, which would provide an actual (theoretically) consistent data set for the chart.

Like it's probably actually true, just not connected to any of this Q nonsense. It's more a consequence of society finally starting to care even slightly about terrible things happening to women.

EDIT: Oh lol okay now I saw your edit and just lol.

Cable Guy
Jul 18, 2005

I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...




Slippery Tilde

sheep-dodger posted:

would you be shocked if I told you that the offered link was a 404?

Would it surprise you that a WhoIs search of that domain name comes up with a privacy protect result...?
What about if I told you that before the buffer refreshed, it momentarily showed an address in Nobbys Beach Queensland, Australia?

Couldn't see the exact address, less than a second and it was gone... may have been a PO box, it was honestly too quick for me to register. Uh... any tech goons round who can access a whois with historical records? http://who.is offers the service, but I'm very broke at the moment and its a paid service.

Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Apr 3, 2018

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006



Of course the Rothschilds feature prominently into this. Wouldn’t be a complete right wing conspiracy if THE JEWS SHADOWY CABAL wasn’t a keystone of it all

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres

quote:

Troops to Border.
Clown Black Ops.
Private funds.
Raised how?
Troops @ Border does what?
Impact?
To who?
D’s involved.
MS_13/Illegals road block.
Sex traffic road block.
Children road block.
Drugs road block.
Guns road block.
China/Russia pass-through-intel-pull road block.
Name we don’t say AZ road block.
Jeff Flake AZ road block.
Big money TERMINATE.
The WALL means more than you know.
The FIGHT for the WALL is for so much more.
Q

SEGA Ass Fisting
Feb 15, 2012

KEEP IT TIGHT!
Clown Black Ops sounds awesome. Like 500 agents with rainbow wigs and floppy shoes all getting out of a comically tiny SWAT van.

Rockopolis
Dec 21, 2012

I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird
New Elephant DLC for Payday confirmed.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The ENEMY is POVERTY.
The WALL keeps out the ENEMY.
We build the WALL to keep us FREE.
That's why we build the WALL.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Apr 5, 2018

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

It's never going to occur to channers to ask why Q didn't mention this before Trump, is it?

Time Crisis Actor
Apr 28, 2002

by Hand Knit
Q has been making a bunch of posts about "5:5" recently. While some have speculated that it's a reference to "5 by 5", i.e. "I hear you clearly", others think it has some religious subtext, or whatever.
https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8a08lm/with_qs_new_post_55_could_be_hinting_at_the_long/

Apparently there's a video of Hillary raping children or something.
Best post:

quote:

[–]Herpy_Derpy_Man 14 points 5 hours ago
Most intelligent comment I've seen here in days.

The religious zealotry I've seen in here lately is disturbing. I think this sub has at the least been compromised, and at worst taken over by and agenda to discredit the movement as being populated with religious nutjobs. It happened rather quickly.

It's difficult to redpill a normie when the source looks like the insane ramblings of religious nutjobs.

I have no issue with people's faith, but there's something more insidious at play here.

:ironicat:

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
"I will not shy away from my faith, will not be swayed by Herpy_Derpy or anyone else."

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Deathy McDeath posted:

Apparently there's a video of Hillary raping children or something.
There is video for each American politicians and each one of them is committing depraved sexual acts, that's how you become politician in America apparently.
Also lol the reddit is called is called the "great awakening" why is someone even surprised by the over religious tone. American excessive religiosity is like a signature. Didn't you guys had 4 of those "great awakening" already?

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Apr 6, 2018

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Toplowtech posted:

There is video for each American politicians and each one of them is committing depraved sexual acts, that's how you become politician in America apparently.

I mean that's literally how it works in the UK afaik.

Cactus
Jun 24, 2006

5 by 5 lol he's just been rewatching Buffy.

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres
Qtards are attempting to dunk all over NYT columnist Michelle Goldberg who recently wrote an editorial calling out Qfans for being idiots. "Dunking" is a relative term, and one point Qfans are fixated on this week is that at the Easter Egg Roll, Trump was standing next to a giant WHITE RABBIT! As in "follow the white rabbit", and explicitly distinct from, I dunno, every other president who ever did an Easter event?

And then they go off on a tangent comparing Trump to JFK. Pause and imagine, if you will, DJT dealing with the Cuban Missile Crisis.

https://twitter.com/dhobe13/status/982315523072393216

https://twitter.com/DebunkAtheists/status/982320843907710981

https://twitter.com/ExtremeNapkins/status/982358480475406336

TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Apr 7, 2018

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres
It's both fascinating and terrifying that in TYOOL 2018 the outsider, edgelord, paranoiac stance is to *support* the sitting POTUS.

Moose-Alini
Sep 11, 2001

Not always so
Yay I’m so happy this thread exists, I been craving it.

For a while I was relishing the day this all comes crashing down when Mueller hands out his findings and mysteriously every democrat isn’t in gitmo. I saw a post last week on thegreatawakining where people were starting to wonder why nothing has happened, and the consensus response was ‘of course hundreds of people are arrested and the swamp is almost all drained, it’s just SECRET and maybe will never be made public since it’s too scary’.

These people are going to their graves annoying their grandchildren about how great Trump was and saved America by draining the swamp, no matter what reality says. It’s the perfect defense mechanism and aggrandizement that they can never be wrong about, and America’s greatest shame is actually the worlds greatest accomplishment.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

Moose-Alini posted:

Yay I’m so happy this thread exists, I been craving it.

For a while I was relishing the day this all comes crashing down when Mueller hands out his findings and mysteriously every democrat isn’t in gitmo. I saw a post last week on thegreatawakining where people were starting to wonder why nothing has happened, and the consensus response was ‘of course hundreds of people are arrested and the swamp is almost all drained, it’s just SECRET and maybe will never be made public since it’s too scary’.

These people are going to their graves annoying their grandchildren about how great Trump was and saved America by draining the swamp, no matter what reality says. It’s the perfect defense mechanism and aggrandizement that they can never be wrong about, and America’s greatest shame is actually the worlds greatest accomplishment.

I mean the stronger the disconfirming information becomes the more they'll believe their narrative if history is any teacher.

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

And then they go off on a tangent comparing Trump to JFK. Pause and imagine, if you will, DJT dealing with the Cuban Missile Crisis.


I cant, none of us would be here

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

Toplowtech posted:

Also lol the reddit is called is called the "great awakening" why is someone even surprised by the over religious tone. American excessive religiosity is like a signature. Didn't you guys had 4 of those "great awakening" already?

source your r/atheism quotes plz

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres

Feinne posted:

I mean the stronger the disconfirming information becomes the more they'll believe their narrative if history is any teacher.

The South gonna rise again.

https://www.theonion.com/south-postpones-rising-again-for-yet-another-year-1819565548

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres
The Qcrowd firmly believes "there's no such thing as bad publicity". Being publicly called morons by the NYT: this is good news for bitcoin QAnon!

quote:

NewsWe are now on the NY TIMES!!! This is YUGE! THIS WILL RED PILL MILLIONS! The MOVEMENT is going to GROW EXPONENTIALLY. nytimes.com

submitted 10 hours ago by 17_QStay strong. - Q[M] - announcement

213 commentssharesavehidereport


quote:

Bad publicity is great for the movement. People will realize the media is saying its "crazy" and "delusional", but millions of people are waking up and will look into this
...
People will dismiss it as a conspiracy theory yes, but after reading this article the info is now in their consciousness and the moment they see anything in the real world that validates Q....BAM, redpilled, worldview shattered. It's almost as if these writers are trying to help us wake people up lmao
...
The beautiful part of real journalism is that you have to report on it. :)
...
Most importantly, it will spawn viral discussions. Out of the closet & into the light of day!
...


What planet are you from where the net result of Pizzagate isn't "whacko walks into restaurant and fires rifle at ceiling"?

quote:

Worked for me. Kinda. At first I heard Pizzagate I was like whatever you crazy quacks! Now it's almost like a given.


If Pizzagate isn't a really successful and credible thing, then why do I keep insisting it is?

quote:

Any type of publicity is great. It spreads awareness on a subject. This movement will never die like pizzagate. We have way too many people following now, it's going mainstream.... and we have a ton of back up plans if the board gets shut down. Have faith patriot!

God Bless


Wait, whatever became of "March madness"?

quote:

Yup! Really hoping these April Showers will bring the May flowers.


How many movements have ever crowed that Roseanne Barr is in their corner?

quote:

i agree but do hope that some folks will think for themselves and dig deeper. However we have Roseanne Barr on the Q team, how many more will slip out of the closet?


I like the tangential admissions:

quote:

Never doubt it. Trump is a great leader and he/we ARE winning. It’s pitiful to see how delusional and brainwashed they are. My sons are the same. They think I am insane. At my age, I KNOW good when I see it and God Bless(ed) President Trump, he IS good.

TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Apr 7, 2018

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres
Q made some post implying that he has a photo of Obama in "tribal" clothing pointing an AK47 at the "red whit and blue" (possibly the US flag or a photograph of Kennedy/Trump/etc). While some Qfans are excited for this photo to drop and finally prove Q absolutely undeniably right, a faction is *already* preparing their excuses for when this never happens:

quote:

CT mode The pic exists (as well as the HRC video) but Q team don't plan on releasing it anytime. I think Deep State was planning something sinister, Q found out and threatened to release it, DS caves in to the threat (it must be really damaging to BO's image) and they are at a temporary stalemate. Same case when Q announced HRC video.

The DS knows Q has ammo against them, didn't Q say "They are scared"? /end CT mode

By necessity, they've already gotten really good at explaining why all this vitally important stuff never ends up being publicly visible. Like why Hillary Clinton et. al. are still publicly walking around and doing stuff instead of locked up in Gitmo.


This guy gets it:

quote:

Nobody is going to care.

We already have enormous amounts of evidence of corruption. I don't need more evidence. That Q thinks we need more evidence is irritating.

The ONLY thing that matters is indictments. All else is bullshit.

TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Apr 7, 2018

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
there is a march going on in celebration of the whole thing, and it's hilarious:

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/982602056744755200 (click for more pics)

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

Q made some post implying that he has a photo of Obama in "tribal" clothing pointing an AK47 at the "red whit and blue" (possibly the US flag or a photograph of Kennedy/Trump/etc). While some Qfans are excited for this photo to drop and finally prove Q absolutely undeniably right, a faction is *already* preparing their excuses for when this never happens:


By necessity, they've already gotten really good at explaining why all this vitally important stuff never ends up being publicly visible. Like why Hillary Clinton et. al. are still publicly walking around and doing stuff instead of locked up in Gitmo.


This guy gets it:
Oh, yeah, those photos would really hurt Obama's reelection chances, I can see why the deep state would try to keep them secret!

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/982633863326429185

:allears:

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Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

sheep-dodger posted:

Oh, yeah, those photos would really hurt Obama's reelection chances, I can see why the deep state would try to keep them secret!

Maybe we have it backwards and the White Hats are trying to prevent the Deep State from releasing the photos because they make him look really cool.

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