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Pieces of Peace posted:The SISKO needed to be on that MISSION as the only human BOMBASTIC enough to be a KLINGON! Hey now, I wasn't questioning the wisdom of his judgment! Picard is a good diplomat and archeologist, too! If anything, I was being extra-nice to Janeway by comparing her to the two of them the way I did.
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Brawnfire posted:I like the idea of your life hitting the rocks, so you carefully study and note cliches about alcoholism in media, then religiously preform the actions. The Data method.
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Astroman posted:
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e: nvm see a few posts down
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Apr 6, 2018 07:54
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The guy who plays Jake Sisko?
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Apr 6, 2018 08:04
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How is 'Cirroc' pronounced, anyway? Definitely harder to figure out than 'Nana'
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Gorelab posted:The guy who plays Jake Sisko? Oh gently caress I posted the wrong pic. Brb with the right one when I get to my computer. e: ok here we go: 
Hipster_Doofus fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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Apr 6, 2018 08:49
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Marc Zicree, who wrote the story of the episode.
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Apr 6, 2018 08:55
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Oh gently caress I posted the wrong pic. Brb with the right one when I get to my computer. I’m almost certain that’s Marc Scott Zicree, the guy who wrote Far Beyond the Stars e;fb
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Apr 6, 2018 08:57
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Ah ok I figured it was something like that.
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Apr 6, 2018 08:58
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Marc Zicree as played by Joey Pants
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Tsaedje posted:How is 'Cirroc' pronounced, anyway? Definitely harder to figure out than 'Nana' Sir Rock.
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Captain Archer needs to infiltrate the HQ of Terra Prime, a xenophobic terrorist organization. Does he get Starfleet Intelligence to do it? Does he send some rando MACOs that no one knows? Nope he sends his world-famous command crew, who have been on every news channel every night since the Xindi attack, who were on a broadcast that Terra Prime specifically watched last week, to go undercover. They are identified immediately  E: T'Pol pretending to be a lowly moon mineworker with perfectly manicured nails.
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Pieces of Peace posted:The SISKO needed to be on that MISSION as the only human BOMBASTIC enough to be a KLINGON! I think I mentioned this before, but Sisko's ANGRY KLINGON was so good because he was legit extremely angry during the filming of that episode. He absolutely hated the klingon makeup and threw a little tantrum about it but decided to channel that energy into his acting instead. I think he said it was his worst experience on the show and the most consistently angry he's ever been. They vowed to never try to put any alien makeup on him ever again. Colm's klingon acting again wasn't so much acting as it was how he felt. He dealt with his hatred of the klingon makeup process by becoming miserable and whining non-stop to everyone. It was bad enough that they vowed to never put him in makeup ever again. Dorn loved every moment of their misery.
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VitalSigns posted:Captain Archer needs to infiltrate the HQ of Terra Prime, a xenophobic terrorist organization. This is a problem that all Star Trek in the history of Star Trek has.
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Yeah, it's kind of like "The name's Bond, James Bond. Why yes, that's my very real name that I have always had and I am choosing to use right now despite my reputation as a world-class MI6 super-spy."
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Baronjutter posted:Dorn loved every moment of their misery. "A warrior's complaint!"
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Look, Bond needs everyone to know who he is so the survivors can Witness.
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Apr 6, 2018 20:41
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I just watched First Contact for the first time in like 15 years, and holy poo poo, I forgot how amazing that film is. The soundtrack, Picard, Data, Cochrane, and the Borg Queen are the obvious standouts, and the menacing depiction of the Borg was great. I remember how scary as gently caress they were in the theater. That was 22 years ago. gently caress I feel old. 
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First Contact has its problems and is arguably the the peak and the beginning of the decline of the franchise from it's height in the 90s but I think it mostly catches a lot of poo poo because of what Voyager did with the stuff the film introduced
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Apr 6, 2018 21:34
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Sash! posted:This is a problem that all Star Trek in the history of Star Trek has. Yeah, it goes all the way back to TOS where Kirk and Spock go on a nonsensical double secret mission to steal a Romulan cloaking device. Then Picard does it at least twice and sets the stage for "contrived storyline to get the captain captured" that Enterprise ran with, what, a dozen times?
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First contact is relatively good compared to other TNG movies, and it's fun, but it's still really not great. I think Mike Stoklasa's review of it is spot on.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:38
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The First Contact main theme is one of the best pieces of music from all of Trek.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:48
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I'll always love First Contact because I was the right teenage age when it came out to think the Enterprise-E was the most awesome looking thing ever. Turns out you have to be about 15 to "get" John Eaves.
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I think First Contact is easily the best of the four TNG movies. It's not as great as the best TOS movies, in my opinion, but I think it's a good movie. I really don't get why people don't like it.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I think First Contact is easily the best of the four TNG movies. It's not as great as the best TOS movies, in my opinion, but I think it's a good movie. I really don't get why people don't like it. 1) jarring contrast to the show it’s based on 2) introduces a couple of things that work ok in the movie but which would go on to have a cancerous influence on the franchise 3) Enterprise E is loving ugly I agree that it is far better than Insurrection or Nemesis, but the contrast between it and Generations is really instructive as to why so many people complain about it. Generations has a lot of problems, some of them probably unfixable, but it completely looks and feels like TNG with a big rear end silver screen budget. First Contact doesn’t, at all. Nor is it trying to. It’s a fun, entertaining, well made sci-fi action movie.
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"Assimilate this."  Just watched "Jem Hadar," the S2 finale of DS9. Awwwwww yussssssss it is on now.
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skasion posted:1) jarring contrast to the show it’s based on I agree the first two are probably my biggest issues with the movie, but I think it's pretty top-notch as a stand-alone adventure and smarter than you typical action movie. (At least in terms of themes, not necessarily plot holes.) I like to think of it as a sort of alternate take on or rebranding of TNG rather than a continuation of the series. Actually, come to think of it, I kind of see all the TNG movies as non-canonical bonus episodes rather than directly picking up after All Good Things.
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Red Letter Media / Plinket got big due to his prequel reviews but I think his TNG movie reviews are even more on point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Lr8cdZwHQ
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Baronjutter posted:Red Letter Media / Plinket got big due to his prequel reviews but I think his TNG movie reviews are even more on point. I like these reviews because it makes me laugh hearing somebody rip to shreds movies I liked when I was a kid. I don't necessarily agree with his assessment that the dozens of plot holes he (correctly) points out necessarily make a movie "bad," though. I'm never sure if he actually believes those are the things that make a movie suck, or if that's just shtick.
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I like to think: If I can enjoy a movie, it is at least THAT good. Like, I love UHF, but I would be able to be honest about its flaws as well. Like how the movie works best when you think about it like a series of mildly-connected sketch comedy. But poo poo went off the rails in the Telethon act and my most recent rewatch was painful.
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The_Doctor posted:The First Contact main theme is one of the best pieces of music from all of Trek. Amen brother. It's probably one of the best movie scores, ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhoa7oWPPhk RIP Jerry Goldsmith. TNG should have ended with First Contact. It just felt like such a finality to the series at that point.
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viral spiral posted:Amen brother. It's probably one of the best movie scores, ever.
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Baronjutter posted:Dorn loved every moment of their misery. Rene was super cheerful and upbeat the whole time, because the Klingon makeup was like a walk in the park compared to his usual makeup experience.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I like these reviews because it makes me laugh hearing somebody rip to shreds movies I liked when I was a kid. I don't necessarily agree with his assessment that the dozens of plot holes he (correctly) points out necessarily make a movie "bad," though. Mike Stoklasa loving loves Star Trek with all his heart and soul, which is why he could look at the (TNG and 09+) movies and point out their many flaws, not just as films, but as Star Trek films.
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viral spiral posted:Amen brother. It's probably one of the best movie scores, ever. First Contact also nailed what Nemesis ostensibly wanted to do, give Picard his own Khan, an iconic nemesis with history. I thought First Contact did a wonderful job doing just that - that Picard's great nemesis isn't an individual, but the Borg Collective. An enemy he has history with, that's wounded him and is seemingly more than a match for him as a leader and a hero.
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Cythereal posted:First Contact also nailed what Nemesis ostensibly wanted to do, give Picard his own Khan, an iconic nemesis with history. I thought First Contact did a wonderful job doing just that - that Picard's great nemesis isn't an individual, but the Borg Collective. An enemy he has history with, that's wounded him and is seemingly more than a match for him as a leader and a hero. The only thing that could have ruined making the Borg Collective out to be Picard's Khan would be distilling the collective down to one individual who insist that he or she is not an individuaoh crap. Still, Queen notwithstanding, I enjoy First Contact.
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tarlibone posted:The only thing that could have ruined making the Borg Collective out to be Picard's Khan would be distilling the collective down to one individual who insist that he or she is not an individuaoh crap. Agreed. The Borg are one of the Star Trek threats that I think deserved the big screen, and if it hadn't been for the Queen I think First Contact would have been about the best possible way to do it. I thought the Ahab scene with Lily established pretty well that the Borg were Picard's Khan. Only thing that could have made First Contact better, imo, would have been Q, but working Q into a movie would be a very tall order. Or Sisko. Sisko makes everything better.
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Cythereal posted:First Contact also nailed what Nemesis ostensibly wanted to do, give Picard his own Khan, an iconic nemesis with history. I thought First Contact did a wonderful job doing just that - that Picard's great nemesis isn't an individual, but the Borg Collective. An enemy he has history with, that's wounded him and is seemingly more than a match for him as a leader and a hero. I loved First Contact and still do, and I think this is right on point. Sure what the borg queen lead to was lame, but in the moment the way she chewed the scenery was fantastic as a villain. Even the start of Picard being an action hero works in this one because you've had plenty of build up over years about how badly the Borg incident effected him, he's not just coming out of nowhere like insurrection or nemesis. His obsession makes sense, his overreactions make sense, his frustration and pains make sense. It really is the TNG Kahn, and it had 7 years of buildup. Its not First Contacts fault the following movies kept leaning heavily on action films (well... maybe it is because it was successful). Either way, I love every moment of First Contact, flaws and all. I loved it when it came out, and I still get caught up and love it if I catch part of it.
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Cythereal posted:Agreed. The Borg are one of the Star Trek threats that I think deserved the big screen, and if it hadn't been for the Queen I think First Contact would have been about the best possible way to do it. I wouldn't have minded Sisko and Worf in charge of the Defiant. Maybe bringing along Odo for shits and giggles. Or O'Brien. But Bashir? That'd have been too much.
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