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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Mooseontheloose posted:

Willa Holland is fun and actually made Thea likable after the 1st season, which was a triumph. Her character kinda just hit a brick wall.

And even she knew it which is probably why she wanted fewer episodes.

I wonder if the rumor of Diggle dying is gonna pan out.

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STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

I like Thea/Willa Holland and will/do miss Speedy more than I missed Arsenal. Speedy had more fun with it than Arsenal ever did.

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

Ugh, Arrow has run it's course and they need to just have Oliver come in for the yearly team up and either cut down to four superhero shows or start something new as the fifth.

Also did Renee only have so many episodes on his contract? Oliver kicked him straight out of the show for like two months now and people just keep talking about what he is doing off screen.

"He has internal bleeding and a collapsed lung so our major metropolitan hospital is powerless to help him. Wyld Dawg has to go back to his home planet for awhile"
"Yeah, Renee's Daughter? I've got to tell you awkwardly that your father was injured and that he is in the hospital. He should be back in time for the season finale."
"Renee is doing alright in rehab everyone don't worry about it"

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

STAC Goat posted:

I like Thea/Willa Holland and will/do miss Speedy more than I missed Arsenal. Speedy had more fun with it than Arsenal ever did.

If they have another series that's basically just a team up of previous DCCW characters (but maybe more budget friendly), I think Thea and/or Roy might be a good fit.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

I'd love Thea and Nyssa to come across the Legends and create awkwardness with Sara and I'm only half joking that I want Wally and Roy to meet, become frienemies, and go make some new friends.

And the half of me that's kidding is only doing that because I know that's impossible since DC is doing a different Titans show.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

STAC Goat posted:

I'd love Thea and Nyssa to come across the Legends and create awkwardness with Sara and I'm only half joking that I want Wally and Roy to meet, become frienemies, and go make some new friends.

And the half of me that's kidding is only doing that because I know that's impossible since DC is doing a different Titans show.

I'd be fine with just Nyssa and Ava (if she survives :ohdear:) to meet without Sara and start talking about their Beloved/Girlfriend to each other.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
I say let them run it into the ground as long as they can. I mean personally the show's never stopped being entertaining to me, whether it's because the show is actually good or because it's godawful and it's like watching a train wreck. I think the closest it's come (for me) to just being dull and therefore unwatchable is the start of season 4(?) with Vinnie Jones' painfully forgettable/bland crime boss, I can't even remember how he died.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Xelkelvos posted:

I'd be fine with just Nyssa and Ava (if she survives :ohdear:) to meet without Sara and start talking about their Beloved/Girlfriend to each other.

If nothing else, they need to make this properly canon

https://twitter.com/katrinalaw/status/968651848222523393

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

nine-gear crow posted:

If nothing else, they need to make this properly canon

https://twitter.com/katrinalaw/status/968651848222523393

That's amazing.


Amell made a FB post about season 7, dude's just humble as poo poo. And then he's a huge cocktease and posts a pic with Colin Donnell.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Xelkelvos posted:

If they have another series that's basically just a team up of previous DCCW characters (but maybe more budget friendly), I think Thea and/or Roy might be a good fit.

That's called Legends of Tomorrow. (in case you weren't joking)


nine-gear crow posted:

If nothing else, they need to make this properly canon

https://twitter.com/katrinalaw/status/968651848222523393

Hah, I didn't notice it at first

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

twistedmentat posted:

That's called Legends of Tomorrow. (in case you weren't joking)

I was trying to imply a show more budget friendly than legends

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

This is such a loving stupid storyline.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Okay, I take it back, this is kind of amazing.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

howe_sam posted:

This is such a loving stupid storyline.

howe_sam posted:

Okay, I take it back, this is kind of amazing.

Okay, so I gave up on watching this season when the A and B teams decided to beat the poo poo out of each other for no reason. Is it worth it to try and catch up on the last four eps so far?

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Probably not, but Oliver and Dig just unloaded every bit of resentment between themselves then beat the poo poo out of each other.

Then Oliver used a cluster bomb arrow.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



lol more talk about how super awesome and cool and smart and powerful Diaz is without showing it. Also I completely forgot but what was the green vial he gave Laurel at the end?

nine-gear crow posted:

Okay, so I gave up on watching this season when the A and B teams decided to beat the poo poo out of each other for no reason. Is it worth it to try and catch up on the last four eps so far?

No.

also:

howe_sam posted:

This is such a loving stupid storyline.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

I am going to be really disappointed when this doesn't end with both of them getting their asses kicked by hallucinations like a proper Vertigo episode.

Edit: yup, disappointed.

Bruceski fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Apr 6, 2018

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Also I completely forgot but what was the green vial he gave Laurel at the end?

I'm assuming the last bit of Vertigo. I don't know what one dose does though. Maybe plant it in Oliver's office to make his life even worse?


Also I have literally no idea why Laurel is on this show. I mean, I know why, it's because Lance needs a plot where he cries about his daughter being dead while trying desperately to turn his evil daughter into a replacement daughter, and also because Katie Cassidy wants a paycheck. But in-universe it makes no sense. She's using her knowledge of Oliver's identity as leverage, which would've been fine and dandy up until a loving Nazi army walked through a portal into a major city. The world knows all too well the multiverse exists now, so just tell the press "oh Laurel-2 was confused because their Green Arrow was Oliver Queen but rest assured our Oliver Queen is not", show the test with her backwards DNA or whatever dumb differentiating factor the Earth-2 people have, then have Cisco and Barry strand her back on Earth-2 before she pulls another round of double triple secret agent on everyone.


Also also: so there's zero way Curtis' new boyfriend isn't corrupt, right?

TwoPair fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Apr 6, 2018

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."
Hey guys, what kind of plots do people hate?

Ones where the team splits up over the stupidest reasons while fighting a villain who isn't shown doing anything but everyone talks about how dangerous he is?

Yeah, let's do that after doing the exact opposite last season and everyone loving that.





Also that Diggle vs Oliver fight was so weak. Like, 5 seconds long, and that's it?

Grillfiend
Nov 29, 2015

Belgians ITT
(ie Me)


TwoPair posted:

Also also: so there's zero way Curtis' new boyfriend isn't corrupt, right?
oh yeah he's either corrupt af or a dead man walking

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

ApeHawk posted:

Hey guys, what kind of plots do people hate?

Ones where the team splits up over the stupidest reasons while fighting a villain who isn't shown doing anything but everyone talks about how dangerous he is?

Yeah, let's do that after doing the exact opposite last season and everyone loving that.

Honestly I like the premise so far of "every level of government is corrupt and Oliver realizes how he's alienated everyone around him" even if parts like the Outsiders leaving were sloppy, but Diaz just sucks so hard as a villain. If Cayden James or Anatoly or Laurel or anyone else were the big boss with everything else the same, it'd be infinitely better. I mean I was getting tired of his overuse but gently caress, give me Merlyn again! Just save me from this bland rear end in a top hat and his lovely Tony Montana impression.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

ApeHawk posted:

Hey guys, what kind of plots do people hate?

Ones where the team splits up over the stupidest reasons while fighting a villain who isn't shown doing anything but everyone talks about how dangerous he is?

Yeah, let's do that after doing the exact opposite last season and everyone loving that.





Also that Diggle vs Oliver fight was so weak. Like, 5 seconds long, and that's it?
I honestly thought it looked like someone landed badly in that scene right before the crashcut to commercial and that's why they stopped the fight. In real life not in show.

Writh
Dec 31, 2008

Big D's chillin' over here, wasteland style
Watching the episode last night, my wife and I were confused by Dig's blaming Oliver for everything that went wrong. I know it is this shows go to but come on, he blamed Oliver for the city becoming corrupt and all that crap and mean while Dig was in the hood. I let out a loud "FINALLY" when Oliver pointed out how everything sorta fell apart on Dig's watch. Think this episode was a distillation of everything wrong with the season. People getting mad at Oliver for stuff that wasn't his fault or for actions he took that made since.

Outsiders: "You spied on us? We are so mad"
Ollie: "Yeah I spied on you because one of you was a mole and I had to figure out who and Renee just admitted it"
Knowing the clandestine nature of what they do, how are they mad at Olly over Renee in that one.

Dig: You put Renee in the hospital
Ollie: He was shooting at me (omitting the part where Olly disarms him and Renee picks up an axe like slasher flick killer)

Outsiders: You spied on us again
Logic: You mean after one of you was going on a murderous rampage that was interfering with their ability to try and salvage the city's money and let's not forget that crap they did with Diggle's arm implant.

Dig: The city fell to corruption on your watch?
Ollie: Oh you mean while you were Green Arrow, secretly using Boring Badguy's drugs.

I think the writers need to avoid telling a story of internal group conflict because they are really bad at it. Diggle's whining the whole episode was so juvenile and illogical, his conclusions were very conveniently retold exonerating anyone else from blame while putting it all on Oliver. I get that they want to show Ollie pushing people away inadvertently but none of it adds up the way they want.
The Quentin and Laurel-2 plotline still creeps me out. He found some random stranger, abducts her, and is trying to force her to be his dead daughter just because they look a like. A lot of bad choices. At this point to sell Diaz as an interesting character they are really gonna just need to do an episode from his perspective where in he actually does something to establish him as capable otherwise all his supposed menace just seems to fall out of the sky and makes no sense how he even got it all in the first place.

Writh fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Apr 6, 2018

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



I don't know why you have such a hard time accepting how cool and smart and tough Diaz is. Everyone on the show keeps saying how awesome he is. What more do you want?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
This season has been all over the place for a long while now in regards to character motivations and plot.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


I seriously thought they were going to do a scene when Dig was secretly being drugged/manipulated because he was seriously coming off as a goddamn crazy person there.

Giant Tourtiere
Aug 4, 2006

TRICHER
POUR
GAGNER
I really can't decide if the takeaway from this season is meant to be 'wow both sides have really valid arguments' and they just can't pull it off or if we really are supposed to think that Oliver is getting shat on by a bunch of lunatics

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
I hope Dig ain't gonna die.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
So I should probably just skip this episode?

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

Phenotype posted:

I don't know why you have such a hard time accepting how cool and smart and tough Diaz is. Everyone on the show keeps saying how awesome he is. What more do you want?

I know this has been the running joke but this episode it was super bad.

"I know you are the Green Arrow but this is different than anything you've ever faced! Diaz has already won!"
*later*
"Oliver. Diaz has already won under my your watch and I you didn't see it."

The only bit of actual character development Diaz has gotten was probably when he was acting like a member of Cobra Kai on his abandoned casino MMA stage. Why is this guy worse than Slade? Why is this guy worse than the League of Assasins? Damian Darke almost destroyed the entire world, nuked a city and killed Laurel but he holds no candle to Diaz for what reason exactly? Even Cayden James had the bomb and could out magic Felicity with computers and was attacking the entire internet.

Also why would it matter if the corrupt police captain fired anyone before she quit? Just rehire them?

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
checkin in real quick, is the show still bad

VictorianQueerLit posted:

I know this has been the running joke but this episode it was super bad.

"I know you are the Green Arrow but this is different than anything you've ever faced! Diaz has already won!"
*later*
"Oliver. Diaz has already won under my your watch and I you didn't see it."

The only bit of actual character development Diaz has gotten was probably when he was acting like a member of Cobra Kai on his abandoned casino MMA stage. Why is this guy worse than Slade? Why is this guy worse than the League of Assasins? Damian Darke almost destroyed the entire world, nuked a city and killed Laurel but he holds no candle to Diaz for what reason exactly? Even Cayden James had the bomb and could out magic Felicity with computers and was attacking the entire internet.

Also why would it matter if the corrupt police captain fired anyone before she quit? Just rehire them?


Combat Pretzel posted:

This season has been all over the place for a long while now in regards to character motivations and plot.

muscles like this! posted:

I seriously thought they were going to do a scene when Dig was secretly being drugged/manipulated because he was seriously coming off as a goddamn crazy person there.

cool, cool

makes me really sad to see it flame out, the first half of the season was great :smith:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Xelkelvos posted:

So I should probably just skip this episode?

skip all of them

then retroactively go back and skip the ones you've seen

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Chokes McGee posted:

skip all of them

then retroactively go back and skip the ones you've seen

You're gonna give them brain damage with that thing.

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

VictorianQueerLit posted:

Also did Renee only have so many episodes on his contract? Oliver kicked him straight out of the show for like two months now and people just keep talking about what he is doing off screen.

"He has internal bleeding and a collapsed lung so our major metropolitan hospital is powerless to help him. Wyld Dawg has to go back to his home planet for awhile"
"Yeah, Renee's Daughter? I've got to tell you awkwardly that your father was injured and that he is in the hospital. He should be back in time for the season finale."
"Renee is doing alright in rehab everyone don't worry about it"

Is this noticeable to anyone else at this point? The entire last episode had people talking about how well Renee was doing and how Curtis is taking care of his daughter but the last time he was on screen was when he collapsed in the woods like four episodes ago.

It has to be something outside the show because I seriously doubt the CW would pass up an opportunity to use that one hospital room set to have a toughguy character tearfully meet with his daughter or give/receive an inspiring speech. Nope, he is just "in a hospital" and is doing okay everybody don't worry about it.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

The cast ballooned a lot while the original actors have had a couple of pay increases now, so they’re probably doing the usual cost saving measure with people missing episodes.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Chokes McGee posted:

checkin in real quick, is the show still bad




cool, cool

makes me really sad to see it flame out, the first half of the season was great :smith:

They have really had a hard time of sticking the landing since season 2. Season 5 being the only exception I think.

nooneofconsequence
Oct 30, 2012

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

This season sucks and is dumb.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

nooneofconsequence posted:

This season sucks and is dumb.

CW.txt

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

nooneofconsequence posted:

This season sucks rocks and is dumb.

Legends_of_Tomorrow.txt

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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

.txtifyoucantolerateincrediblydumbplotsandbadactors

Very limited number of operating systems recognize that file type.

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