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TrueChaos posted:You're an idiot, the published literature doesn't agree with you. I can't post the journals cause they're paywalled. So here's a writeup from a civil engineering firm. Did you actually read your link? It said nothing about adding curves or impairing sightlines -- in fact, it pointed out that trees work as a traffic calming measure, but care must be taken to ensure they don't obstruct visibility. Traffic calming measures absolutely work, but it should be done in ways that don't obstruct sightlines. If it must be done, then it should be in a way that appears to obstruct sightlines without actually doing so, so that people feel it would be unsafe to speed, but without actually reducing safety. You need to be able to see and identify potential hazards to drive safely -- anything that prevents that will eventually result in an incident. PT6A fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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infernal machines posted:Today in Doug Ford misreads his audience tbh w/ a little bit of editing and this could be a pro-Ford campaign ad
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lowly abject turd posted:tbh w/ a little bit of editing and this could be a pro-Ford campaign ad It basically is, as is, just with a very specific demographic. If you look through Domise's timeline you might get a sense of who it works for*. *It's middle-class white suburbanite pearl-clutchers who honestly believe the streets of Toronto are just a running gun fight out of an 80s action movie, and the only thing standing between them and "urban" hordes is the ability for police to hassle PoC at will. e2: It's probably also worth pointing out that this is another case of Doug not knowing what the gently caress his job will be. The province has no real say in the funding or disposition of the Toronto Police Service, that's up to the city and the TPS board. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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PT6A posted:Did you actually read your link? It said nothing about adding curves or impairing sightlines -- in fact, it pointed out that trees work as a traffic calming measure, but care must be taken to ensure they don't obstruct visibility. No poo poo, this is exactly what I meant by imparing sightlines. Of course you want to ensure that signage etc is still visible, but by adding trees etc you create the impression that you dont have good visibility, and as a result people slow down. There are obviously areas where this is a bad idea. See country roads, where cutting back the brush/forest/whatever allows for motorists to see things like deer at lot earlier. Here's another one: https://www.pps.org/article/livememtraffic "Narrow, curving roads encourage motorists to drive more slowly and carefully"
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TrueChaos posted:No poo poo, this is exactly what I meant by imparing sightlines. Of course you want to ensure that signage etc is still visible, but by adding trees etc you create the impression that you dont have good visibility, and as a result people slow down. Oh, okay, then we basically agree. I still don't like artificially curving roads, especially in residential areas, because they're horrid for parking and visibility. My parents' suburb has wide, gently curving roads and it's no good -- it combines the worst parts of wide roads with the worst parts of curved roads, while having the benefits of neither one, and that's specifically what I think about when someone talks about introducing unnecessary curves. Things which artificially make the road narrower are the better way to go about that, IMO. In fact, that second link specifically discusses why wide, curved streets don't work. It also mentions alternating diagonal parking with parallel parking to create a similar curving effect, whereas just plopping in a lovely, curved road is worse, because it doesn't work as well and it's also more difficult to park safely on. I'm willing to believe this is a case of Calgary finding a good idea, and then loving up the implementation. In a similar vein, they also built a diverging diamond, but they hosed it up really bad and everyone hates it. There's a forced left turn immediately after the intersection in one direction, separated by dividers well ahead, so you have people scrambling to change lanes, and the lights aren't timed properly, so everything fucks up. PT6A fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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PT6A posted:Counterpoint: restricted sight lines and pointless turns actually meaningfully reduce safety regardless of speed, so, no, they shouldn't be used to slow traffic down. Restricted speed should be accomplished through enforcement because, gently caress you, you're driving a car and you should be expected to follow the rules even when you don't want to. I dont have sources handy, but i'm pretty sure it's actually the opposite. People tend to drive at speeds that feel natural for a given road, regardless of what the posted speed limits are. Narrowing roads does a much better job of reducing traffic speed than enforcement.
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M.McFly posted:I dont have sources handy, but i'm pretty sure it's actually the opposite. People tend to drive at speeds that feel natural for a given road, regardless of what the posted speed limits are. Narrowing roads does a much better job of reducing traffic speed than enforcement. I agree... I didn't say gently caress all against narrowing roads or other traffic calming devices, which I approve of. I was talking specifically about restricting sight lines, and adding curves, which are both awful when done incorrectly (substantiated by all the links posted so far, no less) Why does everyone seem to respond to me like I'm saying we should build wide, straight roads with no traffic calming devices everywhere? And regardless of what people want to do, there is a role for increased driver education and enforcement. When you're in command of a vehicle, you can't just do whatever the gently caress you like, or whatever you feel is correct. Our senses and our judgement betray us all the time. EDIT: Okay, with regard to my original post, I can see how it might seem like I was against all traffic calming measures, but I'm really only against the ones I specifically mentioned, and I think there has to be a lot more enforcement regardless. PT6A fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/983095786048192512
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Anything that causes problems for Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Trudeau can only be blessed.
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My friend is buying a house banking on the pipeline and getting trades work building it. He was just telling us how it was a sure thing when that news dropped.
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Baronjutter posted:My friend is buying a house banking on the pipeline and getting trades work building it. He was just telling us how it was a sure thing when that news dropped. Typical BC homebuyer mentality.
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Baronjutter posted:My friend is buying a house banking on the pipeline and getting trades work building it. He was just telling us how it was a sure thing when that news dropped. What was he going to do for the other 24 years of his mortgage term?
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M.McFly posted:I dont have sources handy, but i'm pretty sure it's actually the opposite. People tend to drive at speeds that feel natural for a given road, regardless of what the posted speed limits are. Narrowing roads does a much better job of reducing traffic speed than enforcement. This is true unless you drive a pick-up. In which case it's 100km/h+ all the way in any weather all the time 24/7 yee haw motherfuckers
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but make sure you carefully drive around the speed bumps in the mall parking lot
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Baronjutter posted:My friend is buying a house banking on the pipeline and getting trades work building it. He was just telling us how it was a sure thing when that news dropped. Your friend is really really stupid.
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On one hand I am immensely pleased with this. On the other, I'm pretty sure it means that the UCP will be elected and in the long term, Alberta will be even more hosed.
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Baronjutter posted:My friend is buying a house banking on the pipeline and getting trades work building it. He was just telling us how it was a sure thing when that news dropped. Your friend was having trouble landing construction industry work otherwise? In BC?
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yippee cahier posted:What was he going to do for the other 24 years of his mortgage term? The idea is that buying a million dollar house is very expensive and they'll have to tap into family and other networks to get the downpayment, but a trades guy can easily pull 100k+ a year working up north in alberta or on the new pipeline, so once the pipeline starts up he can either work on it directly or up north in alberta when the oil boom starts up again due to the pipeline and quick make back his downpayment and not be financially crippled. I felt bad for him because he was telling us all his plan and how the pipeline and a new alberta oil boom are 100% sure things and gearing up any moment now when another friend at the table just started reading outloud that exact news headline about the pipeline stopping all further development. "oh..." and sat down looking deflated. Scorchy posted:Your friend was having trouble landing construction industry work otherwise? In BC? He makes fine money locally, just not living out of a work camp in northern Alberta while not getting into trucks or drugs money. He had a buddy just bank about 100k in a year by working hard and living cheap in northern alberta. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Baronjutter posted:My friend is buying a house banking on the pipeline and getting trades work building it. He was just telling us how it was a sure thing when that news dropped. Owned
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Social media comments from Albertans about this are more juvenile and intolerable than usual. I'm including Notley's tweets in that.
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Lien posted:On one hand I am immensely pleased with this. On the other, I'm pretty sure it means that the UCP will be elected and in the long term, Alberta will be even more hosed. This was going to happen anyway, don't burden the rest of the country with a lovely pipeline to try and save an NDP government that has a zero percent chance of reelection. e: lol 
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Baronjutter posted:My friend is buying a house banking on the pipeline and getting trades work building it. He was just telling us how it was a sure thing when that news dropped. I have a friend who gambled away some of another friend's money in buttcoin a week before the December crash.
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just another posted:I have a friend who gambled away some of another friend's money in buttcoin a week before the December crash. Buttcoin stories never end well. They’re loving hilarious though.
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https://twitter.com/DonMartinCTV/status/983114490764906497 NATIONAL UNITY IMPLICATIONS
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THC posted:https://twitter.com/DonMartinCTV/status/983114490764906497 The replies to that are actually hurting my head.
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I would still love to see the newly sovereign Republic of Alberta trying to negotiate with/invade British Columbia to get their oil to port. Jason Kenney in a Napoleon getup, loading a homemade artillery gun in the back of an F350. Alternately, I guess now Alberta is offering to invest in the pipeline for Kinder-Morgan, which some people on Twitter are aghast at because that would be GOVERNMENT OWNERSHIP, so I guess they'll have to just buy KM their pipeline and let KM keep it for free.
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Arivia posted:Buttcoin stories never end well. They’re loving hilarious though. I have a colleague who gambled in buttcoins years ago, sold near the peak and used the proceeds for a down payment on a house in an overheated market. YMWV.
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John Brunner wrote Shockwave Rider in 1975 based on Alvin Toffler's Future Shock and it came to much the same conclusion. Radical transparency hasn't actually worked in practice yet.
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https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/983137468047347712 Rule of Law motherfuckers. I get little fascist eye twitches when I read the head guy in charge of changing laws espousing rule of law. This one aged well too https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/297814945679171584
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MikeSevigny posted:I would still love to see the newly sovereign Republic of Alberta trying to negotiate with/invade British Columbia to get their oil to port. Jason Kenney in a Napoleon getup, loading a homemade artillery gun in the back of an F350. Yeah, I dunno why or how those rednecks think separating from canada will do. Like, do they think it'll make it easier to get oil to market? In any direction? Have they looked at a map? God Albertans are stupid.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Yeah, I dunno why or how those rednecks think separating from canada will do. Like, do they think it'll make it easier to get oil to market? In any direction? Have they looked at a map? God Albertans are stupid. Maybe the plan is to secede and get annexed by the US and then build as many south-facing pipelines as humanly possible.
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vyelkin posted:Maybe the plan is to secede and get annexed by the US and then build as many south-facing pipelines as humanly possible. That's....not a very good plan.
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Why? Our own woke bae prime minister has just said that come hell or high water that pipeline's getting built. Sounds like the Alberta oil economy is going to get a helping hand, even if our socially conscious progressive government has to step on the neck of anyone opposed to it.
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EvilJoven posted:Why? Our own woke bae prime minister has just said that come hell or high water that pipeline's getting built. Sounds like the Alberta oil economy is going to get a helping hand, even if our socially conscious progressive government has to step on the neck of anyone opposed to it. Can't wait for Trudeau to force the pipeline through only to get even fewer votes in Alberta than he got in 2015.
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