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I'd like actual news sources about if something is happening, like the BBC saying cruise missiles launched or something. If true, this is probably another limp-dick single strike by trump, all I ask is that please at least kill a bunch of assad soldier just give me that. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Apr 9, 2018 02:12
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It's all coming in via Twitter first, but here's a news article https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/943275/Syria-airstrike-USA-explosions-Lebanon-Assad-fighter-jets-T4-Tiyas-news-latest One wave of cruise missiles has hit 4 airbases, including the T4 Airbase that's being used as a base by the Iranian army. Reports that a second wave of cruise missiles are firing or about to fire.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:18
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GWBBQ posted:It's all coming in via Twitter first, but here's a news article https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/943275/Syria-airstrike-USA-explosions-Lebanon-Assad-fighter-jets-T4-Tiyas-news-latest Christ. he is going full air war now.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:21
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Christ. he is going full air war now. lets wait and see, maybe its another one of those 'warn the russians who will warn the syrians well in advance so that the damage is super minimal' type of deals.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:22
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Syrian state TV is saying just missiles so far and confirms attack on T4 
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Apr 9, 2018 02:22
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https://twitter.com/DionNissenbaum/status/983153955667574785
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Apr 9, 2018 02:35
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this is from last year, check the date.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:39
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https://twitter.com/DionNissenbaum/status/983153955667574785Al-Saqr posted:this is from last year, check the date.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:40
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Inb4 France is unleashed!!!
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Apr 9, 2018 02:42
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Guess that leaves Israel then.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:43
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https://twitter.com/AlSuraEnglish/status/983155405898461184 Given Netanyahu's pressure on Trump to not do anything earlier in the day, I really doubt Israel is behind it. The joys of everyone trying to scoop each other on breaking news.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:45
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GWBBQ posted:https://twitter.com/DionNissenbaum/status/983153955667574785 lol, trumps gonna say it was us on twitter.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:46
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Who has guided missile ships in the area other than the US?
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Apr 9, 2018 06:10
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LeoMarr posted:Who has guided missile ships in the area other than the US? If it wasn’t the States seems likely that it would have been either France or Israel. The secrecy behind it still hours later leads me to think Israel
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Apr 9, 2018 06:27
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I gotta say, a lot of the response to the latest chemical weapons strike is really hosed up and has hosed me up. I'm talking of course about the "anti-imperialist" left. Before the white foam has even stopped gurgling out of the childrens' mouths, all of these cretins have climbed upon the corpses and begun braying about false flags. This is the type of insipid tribalism and self-satisfied disregard for human dignity that I would expect from the right. And indeed the pro-Assad nationalist far right does make the same hollow, facile arguments! It's very distressing how many people that I genuinely like, look up to, and respect have fully bought into the whole rebels gassing themselves narrative. Is it that seeing chemical attacks and deciding that not retaliating is the right move would feel too monstrous and too difficult to reconcile? I really think the US military speaks for itself here on why direct military overthrow would leave more dead, scarred, and ruined than if our military would try to avoid confrontation with the SAA. Isn't that an even stronger anti-imperialist stance than needing to rely on these external rationalizations? Y'alls know that old bit about how if you purposefully rush to disagree with someone in all things, that you're really still letting them control you in a way? Sometimes I feel like this is much of the attitude of the "anti-imperialist" left towards US foreign policy. And so isn't that just its own type of nationalism, looking at everything from an American point of view? I know this happens every time there's a chemical attack, but this is the one that really got to me. I dunno if it was this set of pictures, or the high casualities, or just this moment in time. My cynical shell has cracked and there is sadness and despair underneath. And to see who I regard as my ideological allies react this way sends me into a spiral of thinking about how my own beliefs are just a web of truth and lies that I'll never be able to pull apart. I know I'm screaming into the void, but this thread always feels like a breath of fresh air and one of the saner places to read about the war that I've ever come across. And how scary is that thought? Ah, I suppose it is the unspeakable, unimaginable horror of chemical weapons that gets me so emotional. I remember feeling mentally unwell after the Khan Sheikhoun attack also. Chemical weapons attacks are the absolute worst thing humans do to one another. Inna lillaahi wa innaa ilayhi raaji’oon. Peace be upon the victims' families.
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Apr 9, 2018 07:22
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Maybe this is a common question, but I was wondering if anyone had an explanation regarding the pupil response in this attack. Sarin and all the other acetylcholinesterase inhibitors cause dramatic pupil constriction, but the images I’ve seen all show maximally dilated pupils. Does anyone know if after death the pupils then become dilated anyway? Or if there is a different class of chemical weapon that might have been used? Not sure what effect chlorine has here. I thought I remembered the previous attacks having constricted pupils though.
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Apr 9, 2018 07:27
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It looks like in this attack two yellow gas cylinders filled with chlorine were dropped from helicopters, which matches with dozens of other chlorine attacks by the Syrian air force. https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/982983430794285058 https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/982983830645690369 Video footage from one of the impact sites shows it came through the roof of an apartment building, in a room close to main staircase of the apartment building, and the chlorine gas would have travelled quickly through the building. Anyone trying to flee would have had to enter the staircase which would have been filled with chlorine gas. At least two children died on the stairs, and many bodies were found an apartment, mainly around the entrance hall that led to the stair case. There's been a few claims of constricted pupils in victims, but everything I've seen indicates chlorine gas was used, and it would be difficult to put Sarin into the pressurised gas cylinders used.
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Apr 9, 2018 08:20
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A Bag of Milk posted:I gotta say, a lot of the response to the latest chemical weapons strike is really hosed up and has hosed me up. I'm talking of course about the "anti-imperialist" left. Before the white foam has even stopped gurgling out of the childrens' mouths, all of these cretins have climbed upon the corpses and begun braying about false flags. This is the type of insipid tribalism and self-satisfied disregard for human dignity that I would expect from the right. And indeed the pro-Assad nationalist far right does make the same hollow, facile arguments! It's very distressing how many people that I genuinely like, look up to, and respect have fully bought into the whole rebels gassing themselves narrative. Is it that seeing chemical attacks and deciding that not retaliating is the right move would feel too monstrous and too difficult to reconcile? I really think the US military speaks for itself here on why direct military overthrow would leave more dead, scarred, and ruined than if our military would try to avoid confrontation with the SAA. Isn't that an even stronger anti-imperialist stance than needing to rely on these external rationalizations? Y'alls know that old bit about how if you purposefully rush to disagree with someone in all things, that you're really still letting them control you in a way? Sometimes I feel like this is much of the attitude of the "anti-imperialist" left towards US foreign policy. And so isn't that just its own type of nationalism, looking at everything from an American point of view? I kind of just stopped paying attention after posting that Jacobin article that took apart Hersh’s journalism on the chemical weapons attack through multiple points to one of these people’s Facebook status. His first response was to misquote the article and say that “This article is already wrong in the first sentence!” I corrected him to which he replied “Ok, I’ll read it later.” Later he posted a comment that was just “Jacobin is biased.” So I assume dude did not read the article. Today he posted something about how this recent chemical attack is also bullshit and we should all know that thanks to Sy Hersh’s previous reporting. He also does not support the YPG almost exclusively because the US has supported them. Facile is exactly the word for it. Just move on. I don’t see the point if they won’t even read an article or address any of the points made.
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Apr 9, 2018 10:10
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This will be in the news for like a week or two and then Donald Trump will do something stupid and everyone will forget about it until it happens again and again until Assad has strangled the life out of all opposition to his rule in Syria. These horrors are going to be visited on the Kurds and Arabs living under the SDF umbrella next when we inevitably abandon them.
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Apr 9, 2018 10:51
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Brown Moses posted:it would be difficult to put Sarin into the pressurised gas cylinders used. How so?
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Apr 9, 2018 10:57
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lollontee posted:How so? Sarin is a liquid, and extremely dangerous to handle, so putting it into a large industrial pressurised gas cylinder along with some chlorine would be dangerous and probably not very effective anyway. I'm also really not seeing the symptoms in this attack that I've seen with Sarin attacks.
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Apr 9, 2018 11:07
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Brown Moses posted:Sarin is a liquid, and extremely dangerous to handle, so putting it into a large industrial pressurised gas cylinder along with some chlorine would be dangerous and probably not very effective anyway. I'm also really not seeing the symptoms in this attack that I've seen with Sarin attacks. Looks like I'm gonna have to re-workshop my plans for chemical cocktail bomber party. You don't really see multiple chemical weapons being used concurrently, do you?
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Apr 9, 2018 12:45
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A Typical Goon posted:If it wasn’t the States seems likely that it would have been either France or Israel. The secrecy behind it still hours later leads me to think Israel Our news have already started to call it a probable attack by Israel. Apparently the missiles were launched by Israelian jets.
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Apr 9, 2018 12:49
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lollontee posted:Looks like I'm gonna have to re-workshop my plans for chemical cocktail bomber party. You don't really see multiple chemical weapons being used concurrently, do you? There's been allegations in Syria, but nothing really solid. I think sometimes it's just people there are used to certain consequences from chlorine attacks, and when they're as intense as this one was they think it must have been something more powerful, when to me it seems they were just in the worst possible location when they were exposed.
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Apr 9, 2018 13:00
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A Bag of Milk posted:I gotta say, a lot of the response to the latest chemical weapons strike is really hosed up and has hosed me up. I'm talking of course about the "anti-imperialist" left. Before the white foam has even stopped gurgling out of the childrens' mouths, all of these cretins have climbed upon the corpses and begun braying about false flags. This is the type of insipid tribalism and self-satisfied disregard for human dignity that I would expect from the right. And indeed the pro-Assad nationalist far right does make the same hollow, facile arguments! It's very distressing how many people that I genuinely like, look up to, and respect have fully bought into the whole rebels gassing themselves narrative. Is it that seeing chemical attacks and deciding that not retaliating is the right move would feel too monstrous and too difficult to reconcile? I really think the US military speaks for itself here on why direct military overthrow would leave more dead, scarred, and ruined than if our military would try to avoid confrontation with the SAA. Isn't that an even stronger anti-imperialist stance than needing to rely on these external rationalizations? Y'alls know that old bit about how if you purposefully rush to disagree with someone in all things, that you're really still letting them control you in a way? Sometimes I feel like this is much of the attitude of the "anti-imperialist" left towards US foreign policy. And so isn't that just its own type of nationalism, looking at everything from an American point of view? This infuriates me too, and it seems to be many people who I otherwise generally support.
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Apr 9, 2018 13:08
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Brown Moses, I haven't followed this thread in a few years but I listen to NPR's Up First podcast, and they just cited you by name as a source for the barrel bomb stuff. Makes me proud to be a goon.
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Apr 9, 2018 13:42
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I ran into a guy at work who went to a talk by BM regarding tracking down the SA-11 that shot down the Malaysian airliner. A fair number of people on the military side are pretty aware of his work.
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Apr 9, 2018 14:16
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I get up to quite a bit of stuff I don't talk about online, otherwise the people I'm working with would be bombarding by idiots saying I'm the worst person in the world. I'm currently in the 2nd year of filming a documentary about Bellingcat that should be finished at the end of this year, and that'll have a lot of stuff in it that I generally don't talk about publicly. Meanwhile, in Douma, Russian forces visited the site of the chemical attack to have a look around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFKkTwa0TBM
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Apr 9, 2018 15:57
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Since the threat of Iranian response was mitigsted by trumps tweets I would say Israel had the most to gain from this lawnmower action
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Apr 9, 2018 16:01
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Brown Moses posted:I get up to quite a bit of stuff I don't talk about online, otherwise the people I'm working with would be bombarding by idiots saying I'm the worst person in the world. I'm currently in the 2nd year of filming a documentary about Bellingcat that should be finished at the end of this year, and that'll have a lot of stuff in it that I generally don't talk about publicly. nice. do you have someone professional editing it?
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Apr 9, 2018 16:02
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lollontee posted:nice. do you have someone professional editing it? Yeah, it's being filmed and produced by a professional production company, they approached us and asked if we'd be willing to take part: https://www.submarine.nl/project/the-bellingcat-method/ This is the director: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0690787/
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Apr 9, 2018 16:36
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Libluini posted:Our news have already started to call it a probable attack by Israel. Apparently the missiles were launched by Israelian jets. Two F-15s, firing standoff weapons (Popeye?) while being on Lebanese airspace. They never entered Syria. I think this is the third time the Israelis bombed the Tiyas base.
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Apr 9, 2018 17:08
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/983371644172369920quote:BREAKING: President Trump condemns "heinous attack" in Syria, says he'll make decision on U.S. response in 24 to 48 hours. https://twitter.com/afarinmamosta/status/983366185445134337?s=21 quote:French military vehicles spotted in #Manbij countryside. Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Apr 9, 2018 17:17
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Nothing really changes. Russia is certainly not going to escalate against US or Israel, unless said countries decide to attack actual Russian assets in the theater. I'm pretty certain that avenues of communication exist between the parties, so as to make sure that something like this does not accidentally happen. On the other hand, Russias' intervention in the conflict pretty much ensures that US and Israel cannot really do much against the Assad regime either. Which also means that the attacks we do see are more a matter of posturing/PR rather than legitimate military operations under a comprehensive intervention strategy for the war. Assad will simply keep killing people, until he is finished. The only wild-card here is Turkey....and NOT in a good way.
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Apr 9, 2018 17:30
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Dante80 posted:Assad will simply keep killing people, until he is finished. The only wild-card here is Turkey....and NOT in a good way.
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Apr 9, 2018 17:35
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Might as well make this a new post, here are some tweets from Jenan Moussa's interview with an ISIS fighter. The whole tweet chain is a pro-read but here's some of the high points: https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/982994396529545216 quote:6/ UK ISIS-Beatle admitted to me he was ISIS member. Refused to talk about what he did. https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/983072798355656704 quote:12/ As I sat next to ISIS-Beatle member, couple of things struck me: https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/983267457715638272 quote:21/ Interestingly, captured UK #ISIS "Beatles" ElSheikh told me he believes his UK citizenship hasn't been revoked (as was mentioned in British media).
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Apr 9, 2018 17:48
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https://twitter.com/JWoodJourno/status/983372540738498560
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Apr 9, 2018 18:24
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This has been suspected for a long time: quote:On January 11, 2012, about six weeks before Colvin’s death, the award-winning French war correspondent Gilles Jacquier and other journalists attended a pro-Assad rally in Homs. During the demonstration, in the New Ikrema neighborhood, the journalists were caught up in an attack. Reports at the time said a rocket-propelled grenade or mortar round was fired into the crowd. Several Syrians were killed, and so was Jacquier. He was the first foreign journalist to die in the conflict. I remember discussing this at the time, I wonder if the discussion in the older MENA thread is still viewable.
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Because of course they did. At this point, between targeting women and children, using chemical weapons, and hunting down war crimes reporters, Assad really is on his way to being the despot of his age. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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