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Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://magazine.atavist.com/the-kalinka-affair

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Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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The problem with little gadgets that would warn you if a child was left in the car, is that you'd start to naturally depend on it, and then you'd be much more likely to have a tragedy if it failed for some reason. Having it be a constant splinter in the minds of parents as their worst possible nightmare is probably the best prevention, honestly. As soon as you start to depend on only one thing then that swiss cheese model is reduced to just a single hole that could be passed through at any moment.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Maybe hospitals should show a video about not leaving your kid in the car. Works for not shaking babies.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

My parents left me outside twice by mistake when I was a baby. Once on a beach where I got sunburnt and luckily once at night where I got pneumonia. So it cancels out. We didn't need baby sensors in my day and look at us. I'm wracked with sickness and malaise and pray for death that doesn't come every day. Instead I vote for awful policies that won't ruin the world until I'm dead. 💀

I post this a lot I think but I reread the Anna Stubblefield article today and just goddamn the whole thing is so hosed up. There's this thing called facilitated communication where trained facilitators help disabled people speak by helping them point to letters on a board. It's a total scam though and has failed pretty much every test that it's actually been put to, so practitioners refuse to be examined now. The most damning test being that when investigators secretly showed two different pictures to the facilitator and disabled person and asked them what they saw the disabled person didn't spell out what they could see but what the facilitator was seeing.

A professor who was big into this was arrested and put on trial for having a sexual relationship with a guy who has the mental age of a toddler. She just convinced herself that he was her dream man and raped him because of course he couldn't give consent.

Full article about it here

Update on her succesful appeal :saddowns:

Really good article about by FC is dangerous bullshit






Started reading this and bookmarked it for tonight when I have time!

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
The Stubblefield article is one of the most :gonk: things on Earth. Also her daughter showed up to yell at the court wearing a Tiny Rick t-shirt (really).

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Pick posted:

The Stubblefield article is one of the most :gonk: things on Earth. Also her daughter showed up to yell at the court wearing a Tiny Rick t-shirt (really).

Oh goddamn I just remembered this. I remember the first time someone posted it thinking it was really funny and then I saw the pictures it was actually real :smith:



That revisted article is only from a few days ago so she will be sentenced again in early May. I think she plead guilty after her initial appeal was successful so it's pretty unlikely she'll serve any more prison time. The even more troubling thing to me is that it seem FC as a practice will keep on being used.

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest

this is just all round wild

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

I forgot how horrific thi woman is

quote:

No one’s been taken advantage of. I’ve been trying to seduce Anna for years, and she resisted valiantly.’’ Then he typed another message, meant for Anna: ‘‘Kiss me.’’ Wesley walked out.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
She's loving crazy, but not in a defensible way. I mean she's just a narcissist, as big a narcissist as any serial killer.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Pick posted:

She's loving crazy, but not in a defensible way. I mean she's just a narcissist, as big a narcissist as any serial killer.

Agreed. She's just so oblivious, talking about how disabled black people are amongst the most vulnerable in society and liable to be preyed on by the wealthy white classes. Then basically imprints her ideal man on a literal toddler, good christ. It's just so messed up that it's hard to even belive it's real some times

quote:

A week later, Anna recalled, the couple tried to have sex in Anna’s office at Conklin Hall, with condoms, a blanket and an exercise mat. It didn’t work, and they ended up just sitting on the floor together, Anna talking and D.J. typing. Anna asked him if he might want to see some pornography, ‘‘to see what things looked like and different positions people used and that sort of thing.’’ She said she wouldn’t want to pay for porn or watch anything offensive, but that she would be O.K. with finding free clips on the Internet that depicted couples engaging in mutually pleasurable intercourse. He demurred, typing out that in his view the women in porn are being exploited, and that, besides, Anna was more beautiful than any porn star, and he really wanted to be thinking only about her when they finally made love.

I think it might be in the slate article where they talk about the FC who kept getting called "fat ugly rosie" by the disabled girl she was helping. Then when Rosie (the FC) failed one of the tests from investigators it just meant she'd been saying all these horrible things about herself.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
FC is a cult for broken people who want to believe they're martyrs.

Whiz Palace
Dec 8, 2013
I saw facilitated communication in Grade 3, and even then it seemed sketchy - I specifically asked if the teacher wasn't just spelling out what she wanted the student to say. No molestation, though. That I knew of.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Like how can someone have deluded themselves to this point where they can say the following and then rape a disabled black person under the guise of "helping them"

quote:

Yet for all her work on behalf of African-­Americans, she worried that she might be ambushed by the ‘‘habits of racism.’’ ‘‘Even in well-­intentioned quests to be antiracist,’’ she wrote, ‘‘white people all too often invade or destroy the space of nonwhite people.’’ The same essay lays out what could be a thesis statement for her whole career: It is crucial, she wrote, for white philosophers ‘‘to wrestle with the horrors and conundrums of whiteness.’’

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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It's kind of strange that the people who see white people taking advantage of and invading colored people's spaces, never think "maybe I'm one of them" and "maybe my perspective shields me from the damage my actions cause."

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I hate myself for laughing but every time he gets to his “favorite wine” I just lose it at the sheer absurdity of it all.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

I think you have to be able to laugh and make jokes about the absurdity of these situations tbh. It's also different to taking joy in the pain and suffering caused. Like when he tells her that she's more beautiful to him than any pornstar it's just surreal that I can't help but laugh and sigh.

Brawnfire posted:

It's kind of strange that the people who see white people taking advantage of and invading colored people's spaces, never think "maybe I'm one of them" and "maybe my perspective shields me from the damage my actions cause."

Yeah for sure. I think it's a really common self-blind bias sadly. I'm just glad that I'm so aware of my biases and will never ever fail to notice them.

Transmogrifier
Dec 10, 2004


Systems at max!

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EmmyOk posted:

I forgot how horrific thi woman is

I think this is the worst line in the article for me. It makes my skin crawl every time I see it.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

EmmyOk posted:

Like how can someone have deluded themselves to this point where they can say the following and then rape a disabled black person under the guise of "helping them"

I think it says a lot about how demented she is that she fell in love with herself as projected onto the most “noble” thing to fall “in love with” she could imagine. I’ve never met someone so stupid they couldn’t recognize themselves but this woman was such a dumbass she could narcissistically waddle into rape. I mean what, what the absolute hell. And she reveals herself as someone who doesn’t even seem to think others exist. That he had a personhood independent of her. My God. It’s hypocrisy of a degree you wouldn’t even think possible.

She’s a danger to everyone, and should never be let out.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

quite stretched out posted:

this is just all round wild

Yeah, it's a hot mess, and the German authorities come off looking really, really bad.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

It reminds me of Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy (MSBP), which is simulating/gaslighting an illness on a helpless victim, except this is projected relationship on a helpless victim and sexual assault.

MAKE NO BABBYS
Jan 28, 2010

EmmyOk posted:

Oh goddamn I just remembered this. I remember the first time someone posted it thinking it was really funny and then I saw the pictures it was actually real :smith:



That revisted article is only from a few days ago so she will be sentenced again in early May. I think she plead guilty after her initial appeal was successful so it's pretty unlikely she'll serve any more prison time. The even more troubling thing to me is that it seem FC as a practice will keep on being used.

What’s the significance of “Tiny Rick?” I don’t know anything about that show.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Perhaps the most shocking thing is how many academics cane to her defense. It’s times like this, and 99% of my experiences post-undergrad, which lead me to believe academia does need a hard system of checks and balances.

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Dec 28, 2007

Kiss this and hang

Pick posted:

Perhaps the most shocking thing is how many academics cane to her defense. It’s times like this, and 99% of my experiences post-undergrad, which lead me to believe academia does need a hard system of checks and balances.

Oh academia is THE WORST. They only came to her defense because FC is their bread and butter. They weren't protecting her they were protecting FC.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

MAKE NO BABBYS posted:

What’s the significance of “Tiny Rick?” I don’t know anything about that show.

Wearing a pop culture jumper to a court appeal for your mother's rape of a disabled person conviction is pretty loving bad imho.

fake edit: actually it's even more hosed when I think of the actual episode. Rick (the old scientist) puts his mind in a young teenage clone of himself to go have fun hijinks with the kids. However he'll sing songs or draw pictures etc. that show his old man persona has been suppressed and is desperate to get out and be heard. Like he sings a song at a party "pleasee just let me out this isn't a metaphor in a song". loving christ what a piece of poo poo


Pick posted:

I think it says a lot about how demented she is that she fell in love with herself as projected onto the most “noble” thing to fall “in love with” she could imagine. I’ve never met someone so stupid they couldn’t recognize themselves but this woman was such a dumbass she could narcissistically waddle into rape. I mean what, what the absolute hell. And she reveals herself as someone who doesn’t even seem to think others exist. That he had a personhood independent of her. My God. It’s hypocrisy of a degree you wouldn’t even think possible.

She’s a danger to everyone, and should never be let out.

People tend to fill in the blanks with their own personal opinions. Usually it's with celebrities they like and that kind of thing so it's pretty harmless. Her main danger to society now is just continuing to spread and indoctrinate people in FC.

Man I'm sad now

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

EmmyOk posted:

Oh goddamn I just remembered this. I remember the first time someone posted it thinking it was really funny and then I saw the pictures it was actually real :smith:





Oh no Maebe what is you doin

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
It’s just hosed it gets branded as a love story. If the roles were reversed the black, male rapist of a handicapped white woman an would never see daylight.

MAKE NO BABBYS
Jan 28, 2010

EmmyOk posted:

Wearing a pop culture jumper to a court appeal for your mother's rape of a disabled person conviction is pretty loving bad imho.

fake edit: actually it's even more hosed when I think of the actual episode. Rick (the old scientist) puts his mind in a young teenage clone of himself to go have fun hijinks with the kids. However he'll sing songs or draw pictures etc. that show his old man persona has been suppressed and is desperate to get out and be heard. Like he sings a song at a party "pleasee just let me out this isn't a metaphor in a song". loving christ what a piece of poo poo


Oh okay, I thought it was more something regarding the specific character than just being lame. Copy that.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Pick posted:

It’s just hosed it gets branded as a love story. If the roles were reversed the black, male rapist of a handicapped white woman an would never see daylight.

It's a textbook case of privilege (see what i did there).

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
It’s reminiscent of the recent case where the white moms adopted 6 children of color but didn’t want to feed them, then drove off a cliff. I’d say it’s a symptom of the gendered assumption that women are “designed” to nurture with a huge helping of white mans burden chucked in. I think it’s stronger as a crossover effect than either in isolation. A weird fringe effect of sexism and racism which entrenches both.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

There's so many different things contributing to the hosed up nature of this case that it can be a textbook example of so many different problems in society and personality. A big one is that just because you want to help doesn't mean what you are doing is helpful and can often be actively harmful.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Perhaps the scariest thing is people still not understanding its textbook abuser logic and RAPE.

So sad that the brother basically accepts justice is impossible under the circumstances. In part based on the ethics education he received. From her, a rapist.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Yeah that's another horrific aspect of the whole thing. How must that brother feel knowing he introduced DJ to Anna. Obviously he's blameless here but goddamn I can't imagine that isn't a immensely painful thing to deal with. Really curious to see what happens in May but it sounds like she's going to be free and clear. Also like you said it could not be more explicitly rape but people seem really hesitant to define it as that.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Its just a fascinating situation because it’s 20 tragic and insane phenomena at once. You never see that kind of concentration. A total maelstrom.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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The Stubblefield case is one of those things that disgusts me to my core. It's disgusting and terrifying and there's not a punishment harsh enough that broken sick woman could serve to make it right in my mind.

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Solice Kirsk posted:

The Stubblefield case is one of those things that disgusts me to my core. It's disgusting and terrifying and there's not a punishment harsh enough that broken sick woman could serve to make it right in my mind.


catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?
Very recent, but the Trump Tower fire is pretty unnerving. BBC article mainly about the victim, which is loving sad, but then there's this:

BBC Reporting posted:

Mr Brassner's apartment did not have sprinklers because the devices were not required in New York City skyscrapers when Trump Tower was built in 1983.

Building code updates later required residential high rises to install the sprinklers retroactively.

But owners of older commercial skyscrapers were not required to install sprinklers unless major renovations occurred.

Mr Trump was among real estate developers who opposed retrofitting as unnecessary and expensive, according to US media.

The idea that you could just... say no to something like loving sprinklers and get away with it until someone dies is loving appalling.

Wasabi the J posted:

CARSEAT: Today is August 5, 2026, today is August 5, 2026, today is...

Fantastic.

13Pandora13
Nov 5, 2008

I've got tiiits that swingle dangle dingle




Pick posted:

CARSEAT: I sense the weight of a baby inside of me. I am Active.
CARSEAT: I sense the car is moving. I will be quiet while the car is moving. I sense a baby in me; I am Active.
CARSEAT: The car has stopped moving, but the mother is near. I will be quiet. I sense a baby in me; I am Active.
CARSEAT: The car has stopped moving, but the mother is 15 feet away. I will Beep Helpfully. I sense a baby in me; I am Active.
CARSEAT: The car has stopped moving, but the mother is 45 feet away. I will Beep Urgently. I sense a baby in me; I am Active.
CARSEAT: The weight has been removed from me; the baby is not inside me. I am Asleep, and Waiting.

So Volvo actually already has this technology, which was almost certainly developed to prevent FBS but for insurance reasons I'm sure was never marketed as such: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUsg8R2DVj4

A ton of products already exist to try and help mitigate these deaths. They are extremely difficult to get onto the market because if they fail and the "swiss cheese" of events comes together, the result is a dead baby.

The best DiY solution is to put your left shoe in the back seat with your kid, so you have to go to the back seat to get your shoe out.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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You really need multiple hurdles in place. Like the biggest one, which is you should only ever have a carseat in the car when there's a kid riding in it. That way you don't get used to the idea of seeing it in your rearview mirror when there's no baby to worry about and get complacent. Make a habit of stopping for a second and thinking about where the baby is every single morning when you first step into your workplace, even if you aren't responsible for the baby that morning. Keep a picture of the baby on your desk that's right in your face so that long periods of time can't go by without the baby entering your mind. Stuff like that.

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

Just invent a little wrist band for the baby to wear that sends you an alert on your phone when you are get a certain distance away.

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May 21, 2007

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13Pandora13 posted:

The best DiY solution is to put your left shoe in the back seat with your kid, so you have to go to the back seat to get your shoe out.

Doesn't work well for those who have three pedals.

I used to clip the shoulder strap of my notebook bag into the seatbelt holding the carseat so I couldn't go into work without unfastening the carseat and, hopefully, noticing a child in there.

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