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WampaLord posted:I just love the funny way he says "OH MY god" there when the tube breaks That one moment was funny. Then I kept watching. The arguments are funny enough, but the schtick is grating beyond words.
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I nevere liked the idea of a borg queen, but I always thought 5 or 10 minutes introducing a new second officer for the Enterprise and then having her be assimilated as the body of the queen would have been a good set up for the movie. Kind of a parallel to Locutus.
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As long as she makes sure to point out that her oath of celibacy is on record.
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If I was getting assimilated, I'd hope my captain puts me out of my misery. Roughnecks!
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Sash! posted:Roughnecks! Jean-Luc's Roughnecks! Hooooah!
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Mr. Crusher, you have the bridge. Until you die, or I find someone better.
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That's cute, but you sure better not be watching Voyager instead of DS9
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Watching DS9 takes up too much brainpower, you gotta pay for that kind of time and energy.
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Kibayasu posted:Watching DS9 takes up too much brainpower, you gotta pay for that kind of time and energy. In a thread filled with warp particles, salamander gently caress fests, a lack of vac seens and God knows what else ... Jeb! trying to pull that poo poo is still either the most ridiculous thing or the greatest troll this thread has ever seen.
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Apr 10, 2018 18:20
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The Bloop posted:That's cute, but you sure better not be watching Voyager instead of DS9 I'm not but all the clips and gifs I've seen make it look amazing
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Apr 10, 2018 18:21
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I'm not but all the clips and gifs I've seen make it look amazing If most of the clips and gifs involved The Doctor that is understandable.
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 Mr. Riker, what is the moral difference, if any, between a Starfleet Officer, and a Borg Drone? The difference lies in the field of civic virtue. A Starfleet Officer accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic of which he is a member, defending it, if need be, with his life. The Borg Drone does not. The exact words of the book. But do you understand it? Do you BELIEVE it?
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Apr 10, 2018 18:32
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Angry Salami posted:One thing I really like about the Queen is that she's assembled; you can imagine that 90% of the time those arms and legs and bits are all in storage, only brought out when the Collective runs the numbers and decides, yeah, this is a situation where a humanoid avatar is worth using, before taking her apart again when the situation is resolved. And the disembodied head and spinal chord is a great body-horror image. Yeah. Voyager had a dumb line in late-season episode where the Queen says she used to be a member of such and such species before she was assimilated. I never liked that. Since we're shown in FC the Borg can synthesize flesh, my interpretation was always that they built her from the ground up and grew the flesh that surrounds that robot skull and spinal cord.
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Being a borg seems great and I'd prefer people not try to kill my body in order to "save" "me" in some sick, racist fantasy.
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I always got the idea (from FC at least) that she's only an individual in the sense that the Collective is an individual. She is the Collective, it's not like some sort of leadership role. Of course, that means the Collective is horny on main but I buy that. I forget, does anyone actually call her the Borg Queen in the movie?
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Zurui posted:I always got the idea (from FC at least) that she's only an individual in the sense that the Collective is an individual. She is the Collective, it's not like some sort of leadership role. Nope. She she just calls herself "The Borg." I wonder if our perception of that character would be different if the term "Queen" never got thrown around. I recognize the writers had to call her something, but I always felt like that description kind of pigeonholed her. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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I think there's that and also a lot of retroactive loathing after Voyager absolutely scuttled the concept. A similar thing happened for me when I watched Voyager and then went back to TNG/DS9 to find that the Maquis were unreasonable terrorists, not friends with a different point of view.
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Apr 10, 2018 21:39
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Nope. She she just calls herself "The Borg." For sure. Queen means leader or ruler. If she had been the Voice or the Will it would have painted her in an entirely different light and made her a face for the collective. Of course the collective was always a scary idea by itself and didn't need a face so whatever, but Queen really craps on the idea of a collective and makes the Borg out to be a hive that she rules.
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sunday at work posted:For sure. Queen means leader or ruler. If she had been the Voice or the Will it would have painted her in an entirely different light and made her a face for the collective. I mean, the term is more appropriately applied from insects than directly from human royalty. Queen ants or bees or termites don't direct the individual workers by issuing orders, they are merely one function in what many consider a large collective organism.
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So here's a question: Did the Borg and the Dominion ever fight? It would actually have been canny of the Founders if they'd made the Vorta and the Jem'hadar unassimilateable somehow - they themselves would probably be much the same.
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Nessus posted:So here's a question: Did the Borg and the Dominion ever fight? It would actually have been canny of the Founders if they'd made the Vorta and the Jem'hadar unassimilateable somehow - they themselves would probably be much the same. I don't read the novels, but I'm sure there is a novel out there with this exact idea.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Yeah. Voyager had a dumb line in late-season episode where the Queen says she used to be a member of such and such species before she was assimilated. I never liked that. Since we're shown in FC the Borg can synthesize flesh, my interpretation was always that they built her from the ground up and grew the flesh that surrounds that robot skull and spinal cord. Yeah, I always figured the Borg Queen was simply a variant on Locutus: a single drone given a measure of apparent individuality for when communicating with other intelligences is necessary. If Voyager had had a different actress play the Borg Queen for every appearance, even within the same episode, it would have been a very effective way of portraying this.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I don't read the novels, but I'm sure there is a novel out there with this exact idea. FLUIDIC space? The Founders exist in a fluidic state, naturally... WHAT IF SPECIES 8472 ARE FOUNDER ANTIBODIES IN A DIMENSION WHERE THE GREAT LINK TAKES OVER EVERYTHING
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I don't read the novels, but I'm sure there is a novel out there with this exact idea. More than one. General consensus in the Star Trek EU is that Founders can't be assimilated but Jem'hadar and Vorta sure can, and that standing orders for Dominion ships in danger of assimilation is to self-destruct if there's not a Founder on board. One of the skins for the heavy combat drones in Star Trek Online, for example, is an assimilated Jem'hadar.
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More DS9 reports!  S01E04 Babel Obligatory space disease episode. Kind of a twist that pretty much the entire crew was affected by the end and they had to rely on an outsider for help instead of lucking out that McCoy didn't happen to catch the crazy. S01E05 Captive Pursuit The plot of this one was pretty standard but it was good for fleshing out the characters. The way Tosk carried himself when he was getting used to the station reminded me of the Thermians from Galaxy Quest. I like trying to guess what dumb stuff Odo's going to morph into next. S01E06 Q-Less This one was fun. Every scene with Quark was great. The overall plot was a little less great, but serviceable. I never saw the Vash episodes of TNG though, so while I appreciated the general catch up O'Brien gave the audience I feel like I probably missed something there. I'm surprised that you all said this show gets better in later seasons, I thought it was pretty good already!
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womb with a view posted:More DS9 reports! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrhvtyGgli4
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The title says "Bread?" but the Sisko says "Bre?ad"
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Yeah, with maybe one or two exceptions, a bad DS9 episode is on par with a slightly below-average TNG episode. It's just that a lot of those episodes are in Season 1 because that's before they figured out what they were doing with the series.
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It’s more that DS9 gets better by developing its own identity rather than the objective quality going up. Very few episodes ever dip below “okay” and it’s even rarer that there’s an episode that doesn’t serve to at least better a character in even some small way. I mean, the quality does go up but it always felt like every piece of talent (whether that was acting, directing, writing, cinematography, make-up, whatever) that needed to be there always was and it just ended a cohesiveness of vision to bring it all out.
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Speaking of cinematography, what was the deal with all the soft focus in the first season of DS9? I feel like I need to rub my eyes whenever I watch "Emissary."
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Kibayasu posted:It’s more that DS9 gets better by developing its own identity rather than the objective quality going up. Very few episodes ever dip below “okay” and it’s even rarer that there’s an episode that doesn’t serve to at least better a character in even some small way. DS9 had the clearest sense of identity of all the Star Treks, in my opinion. It's a town on the Western frontier, and Sisko is the newly arrived marshal here to keep order. He's grizzled and scarred but has a tender heart like a good Western protagonist should, and brought his son and long-standing partner who's his opposite in personality with him. Bashir is the bright young genius from back east who wants to make a name for himself. Odo's the local sheriff who's none too happy to have a fed looking over his shoulder, Quark's the odd but dangerously intelligent foreigner (running with the Western theme, he's probably Chinese) who runs the local saloon, O'Brien is the local handyman and carpenter everyone relies on, Kira's the hot-tempered representative of the local Native Americans, and Dukat's the greasy executive from the Company that has designs on the area.
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Cythereal posted:and Dukat's the greasy executive from the Company that has designs on the area. And/or a Mexican general who ran the area before the USA bought the land and still fondly remembers the time he enslaved the natives to run the local mine. Of course, he then goes on to take over Mexico and ally with the Japanese Empire when they invade through a magic Apache portal that connects Hokkaido and Arizona, so the analogy breaks down after the first couple seasons.
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Cythereal posted:DS9 had the clearest sense of identity of all the Star Treks, in my opinion. It did, in the beginning it just didn’t tell a lot of stories where that identify mattered.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:And/or a Mexican general who ran the area before the USA bought the land and still fondly remembers the time he enslaved the natives to run the local mine. Of course, he then goes on to take over Mexico and ally with the Japanese Empire when they invade through a magic Apache portal that connects Hokkaido and Arizona, so the analogy breaks down after the first couple seasons. Huh. Yeah, he's definitely a Mexican warlord....that's been courted by Napoleon III? I guess?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Speaking of cinematography, what was the deal with all the soft focus in the first season of DS9? I feel like I need to rub my eyes whenever I watch "Emissary." If you're comparing it to TNG on Netflix or Prime, bear in mind that both of those services have the HD remasters of TNG, and going from that to DS9--which had the same "produced on film, edited and finished on tape" workflow as TNG--is going to make DS9 look pretty lovely in comparison. I believe both shows had the same DP, even.
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Timby posted:If you're comparing it to TNG on Netflix or Prime, bear in mind that both of those services have the HD remasters of TNG, and going from that to DS9--which had the same "produced on film, edited and finished on tape" workflow as TNG--is going to make DS9 look pretty lovely in comparison. I believe both shows had the same DP, even. I just checked out a few clips, I think maybe what I'm noticing is more that the first couple DS9 seasons had more shadows and haze because they were still going for the "seedy derelict space station" effect.
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