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Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

I've always wondered what happened in the past 10 years or so that ended up having kids get so good on instruments so fast now. Especially in the metal genre, you see kids that are 14-15 playing insane tempos with perfect timing on drums, while a 16 year old shreds an insane solo on the guitar. Decapitated released their first full-length album their drummer was 15 years old.

Then you have kids like this doing a 4 minute synchronized solo for their high school talent show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir1qieBBljc

It's quite possible these kids were always around, but you wouldn't have seen them without Youtube or Twitter.

E: I love dog tax!

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Rigel
Nov 11, 2016

Flip Yr Wig posted:

So we have child chat and guitar chat. If we throw in some Magic chat we'll have the three dumb money sinks that I'll be spending my 30s balancing.

I stopped playing for the last couple years, but I think I'm going to get back in with the Dominaria set.

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich
When kids are young you don’t know what they like or what they are good at. You wind up signing them up for a bunch of activities so they kind of bounce around experiencing stuff they normally wouldn’t do in school. It’s not a ‘check box’ or whatever but typically just a way to poke around and see what the kid likes or is good at and at the same time maybe develop interests that aren’t sitting in front of the TV.

Brony Car
May 22, 2014

by Cyrano4747

Vladimir Putin posted:

When kids are young you don’t know what they like or what they are good at. You wind up signing them up for a bunch of activities so they kind of bounce around experiencing stuff they normally wouldn’t do in school. It’s not a ‘check box’ or whatever but typically just a way to poke around and see what the kid likes or is good at and at the same time maybe develop interests that aren’t sitting in front of the TV.

Nice bougie thoughts, pig.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Flip Yr Wig posted:

I agree and I hadn't even considered that it was black art until now, which is pretty cool. Also, such a book exists.

Thank you for bringing this into my life. next time I have some $$$ I'm grabbing it.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
Lol you guys freaking out about how ridiculous that NYC budget is. I used to know a ton of super-rich Manhattanites and that doesn't even scratch the surface of how stupid their social circles get about normalizing every kind of excess. By NYC standards that budget is an amazing display of restraint. I mean they have the money to drive luxury cars but they own a Toyota. Hell they're probably going to slum it with a vacation house in a second tier part of Florida or maybe even the Berkshires, no Hamptons for them. While I'm talking about the perspective of people with an order of magnitude higher incomes than the article, those are the people that people making $500k in NYC are comparing their own lifestyles to.

IDK it's all completely insane. It was so disgusting I've never in new england since.

They all lived in a completely different really depressing reality. Like a lot of their kids literally learned Spanish as their first language because they spent so little time with their parents growing up. Then as teenagers the kids were just turned loose with 1000+ a week allowances and parents ready to bail them out of any trouble as long as it didn't embarrass the family.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Vladimir Putin posted:

When kids are young you don’t know what they like or what they are good at. You wind up signing them up for a bunch of activities so they kind of bounce around experiencing stuff they normally wouldn’t do in school. It’s not a ‘check box’ or whatever but typically just a way to poke around and see what the kid likes or is good at and at the same time maybe develop interests that aren’t sitting in front of the TV.

This is actually true on some levels. My parents signed me up for everything--soccer, baseball, swimming lessons, piano lessons, basketball, etc. I didn't end up sticking with any of them, but on the whole, I'm glad they did it--because I got to decide for myself that I didn't like any of them.

Except basketball. I loved playing basketball, despite being a nerdy white kid. Eventually I got too spastic to play it on any kind of organized level, but I loved it.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Did... did Trump have like a shady deal quota he was trying to reach. Was he worried about his quarterly shady poo poo numbers for like twenty years in a row.

CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat

Tayter Swift posted:

It's quite possible these kids were always around, but you wouldn't have seen them without Youtube or Twitter.

Sure, but still they weren't releasing albums.

eyebeem
Jul 18, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Well, yeah, I just mean it's a lot more simple than the article makes it out to be. Trump want to avoid paying tax, convinced a small time crook (and a bunch of real estate lawyers) to go along with it, end of story.

This would be a 24/7 story on Fox News for 6 months+ if Obama had done it.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

eyebeem posted:

This would be a 24/7 story on Fox News for 6 months+ if Obama had done it.

<insert Trump scandal here> would be an impeachable offense if Obama had done it.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/attackerman/status/984458794666217473

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Vladimir Putin posted:

When kids are young you don’t know what they like or what they are good at. You wind up signing them up for a bunch of activities so they kind of bounce around experiencing stuff they normally wouldn’t do in school. It’s not a ‘check box’ or whatever but typically just a way to poke around and see what the kid likes or is good at and at the same time maybe develop interests that aren’t sitting in front of the TV.

My coworker suggested to never become a cheer parent because gently caress it's expensive.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Brony Car posted:

Nice bougie thoughts, pig.

Honestly I did not have a lot of opportunities to do stuff. I couldn't play sports because I couldn't afford uniforms/equipment etc. I ended up joining the knitting club and chess club because yarn and a gameboard was relatively cheap.

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Lol you guys freaking out about how ridiculous that NYC budget is. I used to know a ton of super-rich Manhattanites and that doesn't even scratch the surface of how stupid their social circles get about normalizing every kind of excess. By NYC standards that budget is an amazing display of restraint. I mean they have the money to drive luxury cars but they own a Toyota. Hell they're probably going to slum it with a vacation house in a second tier part of Florida or maybe even the Berkshires, no Hamptons for them. While I'm talking about the perspective of people with an order of magnitude higher incomes than the article, those are the people that people making $500k in NYC are comparing their own lifestyles to.

IDK it's all completely insane. It was so disgusting I've never in new england since.

They all lived in a completely different really depressing reality. Like a lot of their kids literally learned Spanish as their first language because they spent so little time with their parents growing up. Then as teenagers the kids were just turned loose with 1000+ a week allowances and parents ready to bail them out of any trouble as long as it didn't embarrass the family.

I hope this is ironic, because if not this is a dumb post.

Cru Jones
Mar 28, 2007

Cowering behind a shield of hope and Obamanium

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

the weighted keys make such a huge difference, unfortunately keyboards with weighted keys cost a fortune. as soon as i live somewhere that's not a one bedroom apartment that i'll only live in for a few years max, i'll hopefully get to have my parents' piano that belonged to my great grandmother

I recently bought a Roland FP-50 for 800 from musiciansfriend.com off their daily deal. Great weighted keys. Just gotta watch for new models coming out etc and pick up the outgoing product.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Holy moly, catching up on the thread was exhausting today, mostly because of all the crazy news.

That the MO GOP is officially taking the position of "the rape victim is paid by George Soros" is absolutely insane. Tiny testicle guillotines for all of them.

One of the worst things about this Presidency has been the continuing war on the media, because it's going to stick around after he's gone. "Fake News" and "Deep State" and "witch hunt" are terms I could live without for the next decade.

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Koalas March posted:

Honestly I did not have a lot of opportunities to do stuff. I couldn't play sports because I couldn't afford uniforms/equipment etc. I ended up joining the knitting club and chess club because yarn and a gameboard was relatively cheap.

I played Cricket because UK. Ended up tearing my ACL and separating my shoulder in training in back to back years.

Cricket is surprisingly dangerous.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Solkanar512 posted:

I played the viola for 11 years, I was insanely lucky to be in a school district with active music programs (PNW kicks rear end) and there were music stores all over the place where you could rent them rather cheaply if you wanted to.

There was one shop in Port Huron where everyone got their music needs, but yeah, I was in a town that really backed the high school band. Marching band and football were the two things you aspired to be part of throughout childhood in Marysville.
when my mom was in it it was just 30 members. But when I was in it we were 105 and brought back the first Division one the band ever got my first year. Since then they're always scoring near the top or winning at competitions (I think straight division ones except for one or two years) and do parades down in Disney World every four years and the Macey's Thanksgiving parades. Last I heard the band got so big they had to split it into freshman/sophmore and junior/senior just to cope.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

SocketWrench posted:

I had one I think did it on purpose. I had to disassemble and clean the shake/ice cream machine at McD's every two weeks. I'd do it on Monday mornings because that was the slowest time for it and gave me all morning to get it done. It never failed this woman would come in and have an absolute meltdown and start shrieking about my incompetence and how I did it just to upset her because the machine would be pulled apart and she couldn't get her shake on (I even told her multiple times it was a two week thing). Fortunately the managers were always quick to run intercept or i'd likely have taken one of the beaters to her skull. I could handle a lot of stuff, but being called stupid is something I just never tolerated well.

Ugh, that sucks.

About the worst incident I can remember is one that happened a few months before I quit. This is in a casual burger-type place where the typical customer was someone who had just seen a movie at the nearby theater or a family with kids. One of our top servers who really liked the job and was trying to make a career out of it got a table one Saturday night. Older couple, maybe early 50s. Goes over ask how they're all doing, gets their order, asks if things are okay, etc., pretty much the usual routine. They're a bit stand-offish but otherwise normal. poo poo blows the gently caress up at the end of their dinner though. I'm right by the table as I'm bussing the rest of the section so I see this all go down first hand.

After the server drops off the bill the dude starts screaming at him that he's sick of his wife being insulted and how dare he, etc., etc. Server is confused as hell and apologizes and goes and gets the manager. Manager shows up and apologizes and asks what the problem is and this fucker says "HE'S BEEN CALLING MY WIFE A MAN ALL NIGHT AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT I WANT HIM FIRED RIGHT NOW!!!" Everyone is confused as hell and the server says he would never do something like that and the angry guy says "YES YOU DID! EVERY TIME YOU CAME BY YOU SAID 'Can I get you guys anything else?' AND MY WIFE IS NOT A GUY AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS I SHOULD SLUG YOU FOR INSULTING HER".

At this point he jumps out of his seat and is standing maybe an inch away from the server, who again, is probably the nicest employee in the entire restaurant and is wagging his finger in his face. Manager steps in and tells them their meal is comped and to leave now and never come back because he's not going to tolerate someone threatening violence in his restaurant. Manager makes sure the server is okay and since he's pretty shaken up tells him to head home for the rest of the night.

Strangest scene I've ever seen.

On the subject of people being absolute terrors to retail employees, is there any theory for why it happens? Poor impulse control? Not understanding the woman taking your order isn't the person making it, and thus not responsible for it not coming out right? Just general selfishness/lack of empathy?

highme
May 25, 2001


I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


Radish posted:

(there are some fingering differences).

Are we still not doing "phrasing"?

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Fart City posted:

Did... did Trump have like a shady deal quota he was trying to reach. Was he worried about his quarterly shady poo poo numbers for like twenty years in a row.

Yeah, pretty much? It's a normal part of doing business for him. Whenever he could, all his buildings and casinos were built by small, local builders because he could get away with not paying them. Part of the reason he became so dependent on his TV show is because no bank or large construction company would work with him because of his reputation.

eyebeem posted:

This would be a 24/7 story on Fox News for 6 months+ if Obama had done it.

Yeah agreed, I just thought Reveal was overcomplicating and underexplaining it.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

comey's book may get Kelly fired

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/984458616232202240

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

CyberPingu posted:

I hope this is ironic, because if not this is a dumb post.

I think it's disgusting but it's absolutely the truth.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



ohhh that's right, I did do Cheerleading and I really liked it! for 2 weeks until my mom found out how expensive poo poo was and she was also told to enroll me in an extra gymnastics class lmao

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
So I'm betting if Trump doesn't order airstrikes on Syria he's not going to do it at all. I mean he's not going to order it over the weekend, what kind of president works weekends?

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

eyebeem posted:

This would be a 24/7 story on Fox News for 6 months+ if Obama had done it.

When trump first began purchasing hotels and renovating them, and with the initiation of the trump tower project, he strongarmed the hell out of NYC to get property tax exemptions that were very nearly illegal in their scope. The way he did it was by sicking Roy Cohn on people and basically intimidating them like a mobster. I am certain if these practices haven’t gotten him in legal trouble, some $10m mansion he fiddled with taxes to get won’t at all.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006

Drone posted:

What the gently caress kind of "Children's Lessons" cost a thousand bucks a month? Is Yo-Yo Ma teaching one of the kids cello or something?

Edit: dog tax
https://twitter.com/harlowandsage/status/983740780190679040

Swimming, music, soccer, martial arts, science camps, etc. There are places in the country where those things are reasonable in cost because they are provided as public amenities at community centers funded by taxes. Like $40 - 75 a month for swim lessons, $50- 100 for music or art, etc. Then there are places where they are not and are all private and horrifyingly expensive. The better the local goverment is run the cheaper and easier to use they tend to be.

Savannah had nothing, 45 min drive to expensive private poo poo tier supplemental early education. East side seattle suburbs.... comparatively parenting Elysium. Like free to cheap and great within walking distance. Personally this is one of the things that makes the cost of living differences between states much worth it. It also seems to be a red blue thing, conservative areas don't seem to value the childhood education stuff in the same way. They seem to think everyone should have the whole public kit on thier own property in private.

Democrats should be selling the public good goverment can do conceptually to parents with it.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

At this juncture his relevance is all but nil when he's getting completely sidestepped by Trump in favor of whatever Bolton and Kudlow have to say.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Tayter Swift posted:

It's quite possible these kids were always around, but you wouldn't have seen them without Youtube or Twitter.


My squad leader in high school could play Carnival of Venice. It was amazing and something I dared never to torture myself with

eviltastic
Feb 8, 2004

Fan of Britches

axeil posted:

On the subject of people being absolute terrors to retail employees, is there any theory for why it happens? Poor impulse control? Not understanding the woman taking your order isn't the person making it, and thus not responsible for it not coming out right? Just general selfishness/lack of empathy?

Having power over people does weird things to some folks. At the risk of another derail, look up the psychology of tipping and restaurants that have tried to get away from that.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/984455048141967362?s=19

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

BrandorKP posted:

Swimming, music, soccer, martial arts, science camps, etc. There are places in the country where those things are reasonable in cost because they are provided as public amenities at community centers funded by taxes. Like $40 - 75 a month for swim lessons, $50- 100 for music or art, etc. Then there are places where they are not and are all private and horrifyingly expensive. The better the local goverment is run the cheaper and easier to use they tend to be.

Savannah had nothing, 45 min drive to expensive private poo poo tier supplemental early education. East side seattle suburbs.... comparatively parenting Elysium. Like free to cheap and great within walking distance. Personally this is one of the things that makes the cost of living differences between states much worth it. It also seems to be a red blue thing, conservative areas don't seem to value the childhood education stuff in the same way. They seem to think everyone should have the whole public kit on thier own property in private.

Democrats should be selling the public good goverment can do conceptually to parents with it.

You dont get it...they cant send their kids to the "common people" places...they might mingle with the lower classes or even worse....the coloured folk.

A Wheezy Steampunk
Jul 16, 2006

High School Grads Eligible!

highme posted:

Reno was one of the cities in my mental GIS that might match the derail query, but wasn't sure about how much snow you guys get on the dry side of the Sierras.

Some suggestions out west that I haven't seen might meet that criteria. In my head I don't understand not wanting snow, so I've included some options that see snow because I'm sure you'll come around.
Tuscon, AZ
Flagstaff, AZ
Santa Fe, NM
Albuquerque, NM
Boise, ID (snow)
Ogden, UT (regressives, snow)
Denver (or any Front Range city north of Denver), CO (snow, but it's deceptively nice year round)
The Oregon/Washington/NorCal coast if you're OK w/ cities of 10-30,000 where the populace is mostly regressives or old hippies.

I've only visited parts of the East Coast and don't think it's my place to comment on those options. I do like the idea of moving to a purple state on the verge of tipping.

I'm originally from Arizona. Flagstaff gets just as much snow as the northeast USA. It's otherwise nice for a small town, lots of magical healing crystals hippies though. Close to the Navajo Nation so there are some segregation and related issues. Tucson is nice, but I haven't been back in 10 years so I'm not sure how it's changed. Nice art scene from what I remember, good food, nice desert views. Snowbirds (retirees who spend the summer in the north and the winter in Tucson) are terrible people with terrible voting patterns and terrible driving patterns.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Also, the only thing I'll say about this iteration of "how much money do you have to make before you can complain?' is that violins are, in fact, insanely expensive, and to actually succeed in any violin field, you unfortunately need a good one. This is true of a hell of a lot of classical music instruments, and it essentially relegates the entire field to the extremely wealthy. Attempts to make it more accessible have been met with open hostility from many of its purveyors and educators, which has led concert halls and music schools to a world where they are almost entirely donor-driven. The average age of the audience for classical music, if I remember Greg Sandow correctly, has been aging up by about five years every decade. The field is choking to death because its proponents, largely, want it to continue being a prestige art only for the wealthy.

It's disgusting and bad, and it needs to change, because classical music is pretty and everyone should have a chance to participate if they want to.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

axeil posted:

Ugh, that sucks.

About the worst incident I can remember is one that happened a few months before I quit. This is in a casual burger-type place where the typical customer was someone who had just seen a movie at the nearby theater or a family with kids. One of our top servers who really liked the job and was trying to make a career out of it got a table one Saturday night. Older couple, maybe early 50s. Goes over ask how they're all doing, gets their order, asks if things are okay, etc., pretty much the usual routine. They're a bit stand-offish but otherwise normal. poo poo blows the gently caress up at the end of their dinner though. I'm right by the table as I'm bussing the rest of the section so I see this all go down first hand.

After the server drops off the bill the dude starts screaming at him that he's sick of his wife being insulted and how dare he, etc., etc. Server is confused as hell and apologizes and goes and gets the manager. Manager shows up and apologizes and asks what the problem is and this fucker says "HE'S BEEN CALLING MY WIFE A MAN ALL NIGHT AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT I WANT HIM FIRED RIGHT NOW!!!" Everyone is confused as hell and the server says he would never do something like that and the angry guy says "YES YOU DID! EVERY TIME YOU CAME BY YOU SAID 'Can I get you guys anything else?' AND MY WIFE IS NOT A GUY AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS I SHOULD SLUG YOU FOR INSULTING HER".

At this point he jumps out of his seat and is standing maybe an inch away from the server, who again, is probably the nicest employee in the entire restaurant and is wagging his finger in his face. Manager steps in and tells them their meal is comped and to leave now and never come back because he's not going to tolerate someone threatening violence in his restaurant. Manager makes sure the server is okay and since he's pretty shaken up tells him to head home for the rest of the night.

Strangest scene I've ever seen.

On the subject of people being absolute terrors to retail employees, is there any theory for why it happens? Poor impulse control? Not understanding the woman taking your order isn't the person making it, and thus not responsible for it not coming out right? Just general selfishness/lack of empathy?

They're just awful bullies who feel the need to make someone who they know can't fight back suffer.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

axeil posted:

On the subject of people being absolute terrors to retail employees, is there any theory for why it happens? Poor impulse control? Not understanding the woman taking your order isn't the person making it, and thus not responsible for it not coming out right? Just general selfishness/lack of empathy?

I think a big part of it is the just world fallacy, same reason conservatives hate poor people. They think your station in life is an accurate representation of your drive, your morality, your worth as a human. So people in unglamorous or menial jobs like waitstaff and store clerks must all be shiftless losers.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

CyberPingu posted:

You dont get it...they cant send their kids to the "common people" places...they might mingle with the lower classes or even worse....the coloured folk.

It's more that your kids are a vehicle to network upwards. if you send your kids to the top tier schools you get to meet other parents who are a class above you and either you can sneak your way into that class or your kids will grow up socialized into it.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

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Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Charliegrs posted:

So I'm betting if Trump doesn't order airstrikes on Syria by Friday he's not going to do it at all. I mean he's not going to order it over the weekend, what kind of president works weekends?

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