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lollontee posted:YPG isn't a proxy. Wtf yes they are, especially when it comes to areas outside of the Kurdish region that we specifically sent them to for our purposes. You're either trolling or a moron.
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Sinteres posted:Wtf yes they are, especially when it comes to areas outside of the Kurdish region that we specifically sent them to for our purposes. You're either trolling or a moron. Sent how? If you wanna argue that YPG and the SDF take their orders from americans, you do actually have to provide some sort of proof of that mate.
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lollontee posted:Sent how? If you wanna argue that YPG and the SDF take their orders from americans, you do actually have to provide some sort of proof of that mate. Sinteres posted:You're either trolling or a moron.
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YPG being called American proxies is kinda new though in the thread. Funny how that happens.
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lollontee posted:YPG isn't a proxy. Lmao really dude
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The SDF are undeniably an American proxy. Of course they have their own aims and goals too, separate from America's, but they are still being used as a proxy by the USA.
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Flayer posted:The SDF are undeniably an American proxy. Of course they have their own aims and goals too, separate from America's, but they are still being used as a proxy by the USA. Doesn't having you own aims and goals separate and partly opposed to your supposed patron's interests, kinda go against the whole idea of being a proxy? At least that's how I understand the definition of the word.
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lollontee posted:Doesn't having you own aims and goals separate and partly opposed to your supposed patron's interests, kinda go against the whole idea of being a proxy? At least that's how I understand the definition of the word. By that definition there would be no such thing as a proxy. Kind of fits your whole everything is either 100% all in or counts for nothing mentality that you didn't realize that though.
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KaptainKrunk posted:At no point was intervention going to lead to a better outcome, period. It's hard to imagine anything worse than this, and now Assad is going to go after another 1.5 million Syrians for detention or worse. By the end of this thing it'll be his family, loyalists, and the dead. e: I, more than anything, just want to see this guy eat a missle.
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Sinteres posted:By that definition there would be no such thing as a proxy. Kind of fits your whole everything is either 100% all in or counts for nothing mentality that you didn't realize that though. And why would there not be proxies then? The Empire seeing it as in their interest to back a local faction doesn't automatically make it into a proxy, I don't think? Or if you think it does, then I would call your whole conception of how imperial proxies work inconsequential. You know, if there's no appreciable difference between revolutionaries accepting guns from imperialists, and imperialists controlling a country through pliable dictators.
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lollontee posted:And why would there not be proxies then? The Empire seeing it as in their interest to back a local faction doesn't automatically make it into a proxy, I don't think? Or if you think it does, then I would call your whole conception of how imperial proxies work inconsequential. You know, if there's no appreciable difference between revolutionaries accepting guns from imperialists, and imperialists controlling a country through pliable dictators. Pliable dictators literally are proxies as well. Read a loving book, Jesus Christ. They're both proxies because they take arms from the sponsor country and do enough to meet their sponsor's goals to keep the weapons and support flowing. It doesn't mean they have no interests of their own. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Sinteres posted:Pliable dictators literally are proxies as well. Read a loving book, Jesus Christ. Hmm... then I would call your whole conception of how imperial proxies work inconsequential. You know, if there's no appreciable difference between revolutionaries accepting guns from imperialists, and imperialists controlling a country through pliable dictators.
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lollontee posted:Hmm... then I would call your whole conception of how imperial proxies work inconsequential. You know, if there's no appreciable difference between revolutionaries accepting guns from imperialists, and imperialists controlling a country through pliable dictators. It's almost like revolutionaries who accept support from the foremost imperialist power in the world have to make concessions to reality instead of living in a dream world of ideological purity.
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Sinteres posted:It's almost like revolutionaries who accept support from the foremost imperialist power in the world have to make concessions to reality instead of living in a dream world of ideological purity. Go on. You're getting there. What concessions has YPG made?
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This is the dumbest argument in the history of the thread, and I apologize to everyone for engaging with it.
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Sinteres posted:This is the dumbest argument in the history of the thread, and I apologize to everyone for engaging with it. Impressive.
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Sinteres posted:This is the dumbest argument in the history of the thread, and I apologize to everyone for engaging with it. Thank u.
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Sinteres posted:This is the dumbest argument in the history of the thread, and I apologize to everyone for engaging with it. 
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lollontee posted:Go on. You're getting there. What concessions has YPG made? Creating the SDF instead of staying just the YPG, and shedding their blood to liberate territories they didn't care about but that the USA wanted to see liberated by them rather than by the regime and its allies.
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Cat Mattress posted:Creating the SDF instead of staying just the YPG, and shedding their blood to liberate territories they didn't care about but that the USA wanted to see liberated by them rather than by the regime and its allies. How do you figure the PYD didn't care about liberating non-kurdish territories? As for renaming themselves, that was just because of the Turks spoiling for a fight. It didn't actually have anything to do with America? How is public relations a concession anyhow?
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lollontee posted:As for renaming themselves, that was just because of the Turks spoiling for a fight. It didn't actually have anything to do with America? It was literally the US Army who told them to use the name Syrian Democratic Forces to make them more internationally palatable and dilute the YPG brand
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In other knews, no strike. Wtf.
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LeoMarr posted:In other knews, no strike. Wtf. drump is bought by putin
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OctaMurk posted:It was literally the US Army who told them to use the name Syrian Democratic Forces to make them more internationally palatable and dilute the YPG brand Ok, I'll admit I didn't really pay attention to that because it seemed like inconsequential PR bullshit. If that's the extent of PYD and YPG collusion with the imperialists, I don't think I'm going to be in much hurry to change my opinions on them tho.
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Brown Moses posted:If you want an insight into what he's like just take a quick browse of his Twitter account. Newsweek at least had the decency to let me write a response which called out Newsweek for publishing his bullshit: lol, what a child https://twitter.com/Wilkmaster/status/984534491720044545 What is it about Twitter that makes grown men behave like they're playground bullies in a kindergarten?
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Cat Mattress posted:lol, what a child (White) Men are used to not being called on their bullshit. Their faux authority doesn't translate to twitter.
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Cat Mattress posted:lol, what a child
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Xae posted:(White) Men are used to not being called on their bullshit. The discursive-industrial complex has always sucked, its just thanks to technology it does so more and more visibly and obviously than ever.
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Cat Mattress posted:lol, what a child I genuinely suspect he might have a mental illness.
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Oh poo poo, Libyan strongman Khalifa Haftar died.
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Lots of denials and no sign of him. That's doing to gently caress things up good and proper. It would be a kicker if Werfalli took over.
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Man! gently caress you Higgins! Can't we just enjoy the demise of a strongman for at least a moment?
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Yeah it's not like I'm not aware of the usual results of Imperialist interventions. Libya is gonna be totally hosed for the next couple of decades isn't it?
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https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/984892631246430213 Sorry about President Warbrains everyone.
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Trumo wants an iraq war 1998 style bombing of near all infrastructure... well aleppos already fuvked so if he starts striking aleppo this shits gonna be a laugh fest... hopefully he bunker bombs assads house about 12 times.. multiple day bombing... jesus christ this is gonna be GREAT. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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