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Thundarr posted:I'd ask how it didn't become apparent long before then, but before like floor 175 healing is nearly optional in PotD.
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I just want my Night Pegasus Whistle, dammit. I've been through PotD so many times and haven't gotten one. 
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Apr 18, 2018 21:47
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Ysayle is an idiot and her sacrifice at the end doesn't redeem her at all.
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Apr 19, 2018 00:26
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Verranicus posted:Ysayle is an idiot and her sacrifice at the end doesn't redeem her at all. 
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Apr 19, 2018 00:43
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Post-64 MCH is fun, pretty, and surprisingly easy to handle. Just about all I need to do is remember to use Cooldown (and Hot Shot if necessary) after every Reload rotation.
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Apr 19, 2018 00:46
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Finally knocked out the latest patch content today and am glad that my initial impression of Asahi being a smarmy jerkoff proved to be true as gently caress.
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Apr 19, 2018 00:57
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Foxhound posted:Finally knocked out the latest patch content today and am glad that my initial impression of Asahi being a smarmy jerkoff proved to be true as gently caress. I had the same initial impression and when it proved to be true, well... (Current MSQ spoilers) I was sort of disappointed because Seemingly Good and Reasonable Garlean turning out to be Secretly Crazy and Evil is such a boring and expected "twist" it just made me roll my eyes. It would have been a smarter move, frankly, for Asahi to be everything he appeared to be in first appearances because at least people wouldn't have expected him playing it straight and it would have added some much needed ambiguity to the Garleans, who have been slowly devolving from Gaius' more nuanced take ever since 2.0 wrapped up. Having him be evil just moves the Garleans even further into generic evil empire territory and everyone rightly skewers the Ascians for exactly the same thing when they stand around twirling the metaphorical moustache.
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Apr 19, 2018 02:07
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Meiteron posted:I had the same initial impression and when it proved to be true, well... You gotta remember after the fan receptions of Gaius and Regulus, the devs have admitted that Garlemald was coming across as a little too sympathetic for the type of story they were wanting to tell. Garlemald is supposed to be a threatening, unstoppable empire bent on conquering the rest of the nations, so with Stormblood especially they deliberately upped Garlemald's "evil" presentation. The shift is very intentional.
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Apr 19, 2018 02:13
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They're not gonna do that because they very explicitly did not like people sympathizing with Gaius. I think that guy is probably mostly telling the truth though about Garlean politics, he just also happens to have a personal grudge which is slightly more nuanced idk
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Apr 19, 2018 02:14
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homeless snail posted:They're not gonna do that because they very explicitly did not like people sympathizing with Gaius. I think that guy is probably mostly telling the truth though about Garlean politics, he just also happens to have a personal grudge which is slightly more nuanced idk This is what I thought too. It's more nuanced but still gets the point across.
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Apr 19, 2018 02:24
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:You gotta remember after the fan receptions of Gaius and Regulus, the devs have admitted that Garlemald was coming across as a little too sympathetic for the type of story they were wanting to tell. Garlemald is supposed to be a threatening, unstoppable empire bent on conquering the rest of the nations, so with Stormblood especially they deliberately upped Garlemald's "evil" presentation. The shift is very intentional. Just because it's intentional doesn't make it not bad writing.
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Apr 19, 2018 02:29
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Meiteron posted:Having him be evil just moves the Garleans even further into generic evil empire territory and everyone rightly skewers the Ascians for exactly the same thing when they stand around twirling the metaphorical moustache. The Garleans aren't anywhere near as boring as the Ascians, though, by virtue of at least having interesting designs even if you don't see their faces. In comparison, the Ascians are all just hooded jerks. Also, Regula turns nuclear energy into a giant loving tiger and that owns.
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Apr 19, 2018 02:55
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The "twist" was obvious to me from the second he got a voiced line, disappointingly: the VA was really playing up the trope rather than going for subtlety. Would be curious to know if it was the same in the Japanese version.
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Apr 19, 2018 03:08
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Eopia posted:Just because it's intentional doesn't make it not bad writing. The prospect that Asahi represents a political group who are, if not good, less cartoonishly evil than most of Garlemald (which would be good for everyone if they got more juice) as well as the Lexentales are probably a deliberate way to make it so you can go into Garlemald in a while and not be like "Why aren't I killing every Garlic I see?"
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Apr 19, 2018 03:43
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dont sympathize with gaius imo
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Apr 19, 2018 05:12
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Apr 19, 2018 05:17
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RME posted:dont sympathize with gaius imo I'unno. He broke up that faction that wanted to enact chemical warfare on Eorzea because he thought it was inhumane. I don't sympathize with him, per se, but I do see how the Ultima Weapon (prior to the Ascians hijacking it) was an attractive weapon of deterrence against the Beast Tribes.
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Apr 19, 2018 05:22
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Enemies that you can have empathy for is much more interesting imo then basic archtypes.
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Apr 19, 2018 05:30
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I dunno, I had zero empathy for Evil Space Pope but I thought confronting him was both awesome and perfect Final Fantasy ridiculousness.
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Apr 19, 2018 06:15
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holy poo poo burden of the son rules
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Apr 19, 2018 06:19
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Sometimes its ok to have an obvious bad guy rather than dance around shades of grey or attempt to subvert audience expectations for the sake of being novel. But yeah, Gaius was never intended to be relatable. Him going "whoa now, don't you think that's a bit much?" in the face of cartoonishly evil supervillainy like the chemical weapons plan, or choosing to give an assist to the heros because Nael had gone off the reservation, were meant to characterize his motivations and the brand of imperialism he subscribed to. Not portray him as some sort of noble warrior who just happened to be on the wrong side. The closest we get to that is Regula, largely because it's made clear that he genuinely prioritizes his troops and his mission ahead of himself. (He's still a true believer for the cause of building an empire by force, and thus a not a good guy). pupuru posted:holy poo poo burden of the son rules Yes, yes it does. Whenever it comes up in mentor roulette I instruct the newbie to be ready to crank the volume when the robots fly back in.
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Apr 19, 2018 06:30
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I'unno. He broke up that faction that wanted to enact chemical warfare on Eorzea because he thought it was inhumane. Then, well: 
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Something being predictable does not inherently make it bad. Verranicus posted:Ysayle is an idiot and her sacrifice at the end doesn't redeem her at all. My memory of the original 3.0 storyline isn't perfect, but that's not how I remember Ysayle. Her methods were poor, but she learns and accepts that. Her points were not invalid though. The dragons were being treated unfairly by Ishgard and they had a right to be pissed off.
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Nessus posted:Then, well:
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Apr 19, 2018 08:05
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I'm sure there will be plenty of sympathetic Garleans in the Garlemald expansion, anyway
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Apr 19, 2018 08:08
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It's sort of hilarious how the Garleans are literally militant atheists in a world with actual gods, and the WoL is basically Jesus.
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Apr 19, 2018 09:06
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Algid posted:It's sort of hilarious how the Garleans are literally militant atheists in a world with actual gods, and the WoL is basically Jesus. It’s a lot more badass when their reaction to the existence of gods is to murder them.
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Darth Walrus posted:It’s a lot more badass when their reaction to the existence of gods is to murder them. Gods aren't exactly benevolent in this world so the Garlean reaction to them is understandable.
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Apr 19, 2018 11:17
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Darth Walrus posted:It’s a lot more badass when their reaction to the existence of gods is to murder them. "With engines of destruction, we have killed our gods."
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Apr 19, 2018 11:31
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SonicRulez posted:Something being predictable does not inherently make it bad. Ending the "cycle of violence" by letting one side of a conflict slaughter the other completely isn't just "poor methods", it's stupid. It's Micaiah from Radiant Dawn levels of stupid. Maybe if they had left out the scene of her gleefully cackling as the camera fades to black she would have been more sympathetic.
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Apr 19, 2018 12:46
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 WHEN I WAS A YOUNG BOY MY FATHER TOOK ME INTO THE CITY
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Hommando posted:Gods aren't exactly benevolent in this world so the Garlean reaction to them is understandable. Gaius did nothing wrong
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If killing gods is wrong I don't want to be right. *genocides a bunch of species*
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Darth Walrus posted:It’s a lot more badass when their reaction to the existence of gods is to murder them. In fairness, this is also the position of the Scions. The main difference is the Garlrans also want to murder everybody who worships those gods (or who look like the people who worship the gods).
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Truga posted:If killing gods is wrong I don't want to be right. Thundarr posted:In fairness, this is also the position of the Scions. The main difference is the Garlrans also want to murder everybody who worships those gods (or who look like the people who worship the gods). Nessus fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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Apr 19, 2018 14:38
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Nessus posted:They seem to have been developing this. Both the Ananta and the Kojin have religious practices which CAN be used to summon Primals but which are not inevitably built around doing that, in the way that the ARR beast tribes seemed to - though even they clearly were doing it as a reaction. It's a recurring plot point in ARR that most beast tribes summon their primal out of fear, when they feel threatened. Titan was summoned in response to Limsa's expansion. Moggle Mog was summoned in response to Ultima Weapon and fear of Gridania. Ramuh was summoned in response to Garlean aggression. Y'shtola points out that it turns into a vicious cycle - beast tribes feel threatened by expansion and aggression, so they summon a primal. The Alliance and the Empire feel threatened by the existence of a primal and so step up their aggression. Which, with some Ascian assistance, leads the beast tribes to resummon their primal even stronger than before. The Garlean position of exterminating everyone capable of summoning primals also has the small problem that anyone capable of manipulating aether can summon primals as it turns out - Enkidu, Shiva, and Shinryu are all summoned by normal people with enough raw aether and the zealous power of belief. The Garleans are, in my mind, heading for one of two conclusions: they'll either end up summoning their own primal probably by accident ala Shinryu, or they'll conclude that only the native Garleans unable to use aether can be trusted and set about exterminating literally everyone else including the playable races.
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Cythereal posted:The Garleans are, in my mind, heading for one of two conclusions: they'll either end up summoning their own primal probably by accident ala Shinryu, or they'll conclude that only the native Garleans unable to use aether can be trusted and set about exterminating literally everyone else including the playable races. Oh, the Garleans are absolutely going to try genociding everyone and everything, the only question is how successful they’ll be before the WoL breaks their toys. Like I’ve said before, I wouldn’t be buying property in Doma or Ala Mhigo anytime soon. Doubly so since the Far East plotline is apparently wrapping up in 4.3, and I don’t see how they tie up all the loose ends in it without having Varis or Ilbenos grab the genocide ball and do it for the writers. In lighter news, otters are like cats and excel at sitting in the most inconvenient locations. 
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homeless snail posted:I'm sure there will be plenty of sympathetic Garleans in the Garlemald expansion, anyway The IIIrd, IXth, and Xth Legion Legatuses are prime sympathy bait, depending on how close they are in personality to those games' villains. Then again, we already had actual Xande in XIV and he was a dick. Regula also wasn't based on Kefka.
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Algid posted:It's sort of hilarious how the Garleans are literally militant atheists in a world with actual gods, and the WoL is basically Jesus. At the same time, this is a universe where you basically make your own god. If someone with enough crystals decided to summon a giant toilet to worship, they could do that. I can understand the lack of respect for Eorzean deities in that regard, especially since most Primals are evil, unreasonable dicks who are a far cry from their legends.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:The IIIrd, IXth, and Xth Legion Legatuses are prime sympathy bait, depending on how close they are in personality to those games' villains. The X Legion Legatus being a primal or turned into one would be fitting.
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