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frodnonnag posted:So venomverse is franklins fault. No. Franklin is why we have good things in the first place. Then the writers screw it up until Franklin notices, and we get good things again.
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  franklin hardly knows or understands everything in the universes he creates. at some point, the universes write their own crazy stories. Billzasilver fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Apr 21, 2018 |
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Apr 21, 2018 20:16
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Mulva posted:No. Franklin is why we have good things in the first place. Then the writers screw it up until Franklin notices, and we get good things again. The question is did Franklin dream up the autistic kid with the snowglobe, or did the autistic kid with the snowglobe dream up Franklin?
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Apr 21, 2018 21:14
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I wish Franklin could give us the universe where Quesada retconned Franklin and Valeria out of existence rather than the spider-marriage. (I've always thought they were the other 'genies' he wished he could put back in their metaphorical bottles.)
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Apr 21, 2018 21:26
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Billzasilver posted:
Ready Player One (2018)
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Apr 21, 2018 21:36
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Thranguy posted:I wish Franklin could give us the universe where Quesada retconned Franklin and Valeria out of existence rather than the spider-marriage. (I've always thought they were the other 'genies' he wished he could put back in their metaphorical bottles.) Franklin Richards is one of the oldest Marvel comics characters in existence and a creation of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. He's almost as old as Quesada.
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Apr 21, 2018 21:42
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Thranguy posted:I wish Franklin could give us the universe where Quesada retconned Franklin and Valeria out of existence rather than the spider-marriage. (I've always thought they were the other 'genies' he wished he could put back in their metaphorical bottles.) Why? There would be no reason to do that.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Why? There would be no reason to do that. Having a wife and children makes Mr. Fantastic seem too old and thus harder to relate too.
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Apr 21, 2018 22:51
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Still think it's darkly hilarious how Franklin and Reed care so little for Ben that they gave doom his face back but couldn't be bothered to make Ben normal
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good day for a bris posted:Having a wife and children makes Mr. Fantastic seem too old and thus harder to relate too. That, the fact that having kids makes it narratively difficult to do exploration-focused stories without making them bad parents by way of either abandonment or endangerment, their ages and birth years put extra constraints on the floating timeline, and Franklin's very existence as potential kid ex machina inherently de-escalates any conflict in any Marvel book.
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I'm choosing to believe that Ben is a secret Masochist.
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Thranguy posted:That, the fact that having kids makes it narratively difficult to do exploration-focused stories without making them bad parents by way of either abandonment or endangerment, their ages and birth years put extra constraints on the floating timeline, and Franklin's very existence as potential kid ex machina inherently de-escalates any conflict in any Marvel book. Franklin's first appearance was 1968, and god knows there's never been a good Fantastic Four comic since then.
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Thranguy posted:That, the fact that having kids makes it narratively difficult to do exploration-focused stories without making them bad parents by way of either abandonment or endangerment, their ages and birth years put extra constraints on the floating timeline, and Franklin's very existence as potential kid ex machina inherently de-escalates any conflict in any Marvel book. Ha! Abandon and endanger Franklin? They’d never do tha- 
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Apr 21, 2018 23:55
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Uh, they are clearly talking to Frank Castle.
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Castle having enough will and focus to use the nullifier is exactly the right amount of bullshit someone would write for him.
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Thranguy posted:That, the fact that having kids makes it narratively difficult to do exploration-focused stories without making them bad parents by way of either abandonment or endangerment, their ages and birth years put extra constraints on the floating timeline, and Franklin's very existence as potential kid ex machina inherently de-escalates any conflict in any Marvel book. Having the children tag along in their adventures is a big part of the genre, and was done by contemporaries such Lost in Space, Johnny Quest, and Land of the Lost. Also the whole ages and floating timeline thing hasn’t been a major issue in any other books Marvel’s put out for almost 60 years, why would Franklin existing be the exception?
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Rhyno posted:Uh, they are clearly talking to Frank Castle. I do not miss that weird brief period where they called him Frank at all. Happy Noodle Boy posted:Castle having enough will and focus to use the nullifier is exactly the right amount of bullshit someone would write for him. We all know Quasar is the best at using the Nullifier. 
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Apr 22, 2018 00:15
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Oh so that's what that does
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Oh so that's what that does Yeah, it can destroy literally anything in the universe, but it's really hard to keep it from then destroying the rest of the things in the universe.
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Apr 22, 2018 10:30
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When Galactus freaked out because the Human Torch was holding it and had no idea what he was playing around with, he wasn't kidding. I always preferred when the Ultimate Nullifier was treated as this unimaginable cosmic weapon of destruction. Not like the time Scott Lobdell had it show up in his Fantastic Four run and it's treated like an energy shotgun.
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There was one cool bit in the first issue of JLA/Avengers where the JLA cross over into the Marvel universe where they find the Ultimate Nullifier, and Martian Manhunter can't hold his shape when he scans it telepathically because it's destructive power is so overwhelming.
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I'm surprised Rick Jones never used it as a bong.
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Wheat Loaf posted:There was one cool bit in the first issue of JLA/Avengers where the JLA cross over into the Marvel universe where they find the Ultimate Nullifier, and Martian Manhunter can't hold his shape when he scans it telepathically because it's destructive power is so overwhelming. trying to mind-read guns but also loving up is why Jonn will never be as cool as Clark
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Autism Sneaks posted:trying to mind-read guns but also loving up is why Jonn will never be as cool as Clark You wanna fight???? J'onn is real cool!!!
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Endless Mike posted:I'm surprised Rick Jones never used it as a bong. The Ultimate Nuggifier.
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Wheat Loaf posted:There was one cool bit in the first issue of JLA/Avengers where the JLA cross over into the Marvel universe where they find the Ultimate Nullifier, and Martian Manhunter can't hold his shape when he scans it telepathically because it's destructive power is so overwhelming. JLA/Avengers is so goddamn good. It's pretty much the only good marvel dc crossover.
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Monaghan posted:JLA/Avengers is so goddamn good. It's pretty much the only good marvel dc crossover. Have you read Ultraforce/Avengers? Not the first part, just the second issue illustrated by George Perez. It really feels like he was practicing for JLA/A and just tossed in all these bonkers versions of Marvel heroes that vaguely resembled DC ones.
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I like both Superman/Spider-Man crossovers a lot.
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I remember enjoying a Spider-Man/Batman crossover where Carnage is being transferred to Arkham and escapes with the Joker. Although it has Batman beating up Carnage in a physical fight, which is almost as dumb as Venom succesfully using a judo flip on loving Superman.
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Man, I'm reading the Infinity event from 2013 and I don't think Deodato's art has ever looked better than when coloured by Frank Martin. And by coincidence I happened to be reading through the Osborn Thunderbolt era so a good comparison is fresh in my mind. Edit: And what the hell was going on with Iron Man's armour at the time. One of the worst I've ever seen. Lobok fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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There are some good Marvel vs DC crossovers. The first Spider-man/Batman is decent. Marvel vs DC leading to Amalgam is kind of whacked out fun. JLA/Avengers is solid old style goodness. Spider-man/Superman were good old school stuff. Darkseid vs Galactus: The Hunger. I liked Hughes' art on Wildcats/X-Men and Charest on Wolverine/...Amazon Blade Chick I forget her name. Then there's Image/DC I think, eventually Wildstorm becomes a part of the DCU. Planetary/Batman is good. Superman-Aliens and Batman-Predator is good. Robocop vs Terminator is Miller as gently caress. Batman/Judge Dredd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercompany_crossover Going down that list is fun until you hit 1996. And of course, Archie vs Punisher and Archie vs Predator. Gatts fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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I'd love to see a DC/Marvel crossover that was just the villians switched, the Iron Man vs Sinestro, The X-men Vs the Joker, Batman Vs Mangeto, Green Lantern vs Green Goblin.
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twistedmentat posted:I'd love to see a DC/Marvel crossover that was just the villians switched, the Iron Man vs Sinestro, The X-men Vs the Joker, Batman Vs Mangeto, Green Lantern vs Green Goblin. Sinestro, Joker, Magneto, Green Lantern win.
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twistedmentat posted:I'd love to see a DC/Marvel crossover that was just the villians switched, the Iron Man vs Sinestro, The X-men Vs the Joker, Batman Vs Mangeto, Green Lantern vs Green Goblin. Acts of Crossover Vengeance.
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Joker and Magneto taking turns punching The Red Skull in the jaw.
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I do feel like X-Men vs Joker would realistically be about two and a half pages long though.
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Batman would just knock out Magneto with a perfictly carved wooden Batarang.
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Skwirl posted:Batman would just knock out Magneto with a perfictly carved wooden Batarang. He's already fought Doctor Polaris which is why he uses graphite composites to build all his weapons.
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But who would win, (Ian MacKellen voice) Magneto, or (Patrick Stewart voice) Cerebro?
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Lobok posted:Man, I'm reading the Infinity event from 2013 and I don't think Deodato's art has ever looked better than when coloured by Frank Martin. And by coincidence I happened to be reading through the Osborn Thunderbolt era so a good comparison is fresh in my mind. Infinity is real fuckin good for many, many reasons. but its during that weird time when Iron Man joined the Guardians of the Galaxy so his armor has this weird lovely star design on it.
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