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Nice! Heads up folks, 20% discount on this link as long as you pre-order. Offer expires when the game launches. Go nuts.
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Can someone tl;dr me the copyright bullshit that goes on with Battletech?
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My humble account still hasn't coughed up a key yet, hopefully my robopunching is not delayed, please don't make me reinstall Front Mission Evolved again, HBS. Front Mission Evolved is heretically good, fight me tl;dr Battletech borrowed some Robotech designs for some mechs, Harmony Gold feels they have rights to those robots (and in fact all fightin' robots apparently) the court case is currently in the process of convincing HG to accept they don't in fact own those robot images. vorebane fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Captain Gordon posted:Can someone tl;dr me the copyright bullshit that goes on with Battletech? i only know the tl;dr version myself so someone can fill in the details if they want but there was a company called Harmony Gold in the mid 80's that bought the licenses to distribute some anime cartoons in the united states. as part of battletech's development, they paid harmony gold for the license to use some of their anime mech designs for their games. after a few years the license lapsed, and harmony gold, which had decided being a copyright troll was much more lucrative than this silly japanese cartoon business, decided to lawyer up over the designs ever showing up in battletech games and anywhere else.
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Apr 24, 2018 01:41
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Captain Gordon posted:Can someone tl;dr me the copyright bullshit that goes on with Battletech? Some of the early mech designs were from an anime called Macross (and a few others). They paid someone they thought was the western rights holder for the rights to use the designs. Then in the 90's it turned into a huge legal clusterfuck since someone else held the rights etc. Then it got loving stupid and Harmony Gold, the company who claimed to actually hold the rights, went on a 20+ year copyright troll thing where they tried to claim ownership on the designs even as they were changed etc. None of the mechs Harmony Gold claims to own are in this game so their suit was dismissed with predjudice.
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Apr 24, 2018 01:43
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So if I wanted my character to be a space faschist type, but like service guarantees citizenship/technically not total dicks do I go space China or space Germany. Like I want to be an honorable duck. Space Germany seems kind of a hot mess barely held together. Space China deems closer to what I want, but do they tend to be super dicks? What's your average chummer going to think about my guy being space Chinese.
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Apr 24, 2018 01:44
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does anyone still have the link to the recently published legal rebuttal from harebrained schemes to the harmony gold lawsuit that basically said "these stupid fucks are just stalling for time because they know they don't have a leg to stand on and we're fed up with their bullshit" in legalese
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HG Licenses anime rights to three anime series, creates "Robotech" from the three series. FASA Creates Battletech, licenses the images of certain mechs from the Anime series from someone in Japan. They get a licensed cartoon, which HG says infringes on their rights HG throws a poo poo fit, despite questionable legal rights, sues FASA. This basically threatens to drag the company down just from legal expenses,FASA says "We'll sign something just to make you go away." FASA and its later owners, WizKids/Catalyst redraw the mechs, or just use the outline. The mechs in question are referred to as the Unseen. MechWarrior Online starts up, and they redraw the mechs, they're referred to as the "Reseen". HG: sees that people are making money off Battletech again, and wants to rerun their strategy, they say "That's all infringing on our rights", hoping to get a payment to go away. (Mostly because all their attempts to monetize it has failed miserably). Catalyst/MWO/HBS say "Uh, we redrew them so they don't really look like yours anymore.. and besides, your legal rights are.. questionable" HG: WE OWN ALL GIANT ROBITS! PAY US NOW! WE SUES YOU. HBS has gotten out of the suit, as HG has dismissed the lawsuit with prejudice (meaning they can't bring the claims again). They're still trying to sue Catalyst/MWO.. So, until the lawsuits grind to an end, the Unseen/Reseen Mechs are not in Battletech.
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Rookersh posted:So if I wanted my character to be a space faschist type, but like service guarantees citizenship/technically not total dicks do I go space China or space Germany. Like I want to be an honorable duck.
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Apr 24, 2018 01:53
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TheParadigm posted:So, I have a question or two. it may involve spoilers and/or questions for either people who have watched streams or background-logic about the game, but just in case, I figured I'd give it a heads up due to potential spoilers. We might have to wait until the game is out - I'm guessing it's not the same result for a given choice each time, but who knows. From reddit, free camera controls: 
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Apr 24, 2018 01:54
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Q_res posted:The Digital Deluxe version gives you a pack of wallpapers, an Artbook PDF and a copy of the soundtrack (which absolutely owns). Up to you if that's worth $10 or not. WinGameStore has it for 10% off, so a $4 discount. Not aware of any others.
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isildur posted:Space china is my favorite because I'm a drat socialist and when I read that 'most people like living there even though the Battletech world is a crapsack' I think... wow, these are supposed to be the bad guys? Oh 1980s, you were such a different time. I seem to remember they do a bunch of secret murders is the thing.
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As an addendum, HG recently sued the creators of the designs, Big West, in Japan and lost; the Japanese court found that HG only ever had the right to display the show, they had no rights to the designs therein. Even after the courts found that HG did not have any rights to the designs, they went ahead and decided to sue Piranha and Harebrained, claiming effectively that all mech designs were their IP. The suit currently looks very good for Piranha and Catalyst Game Labs, and very bad for HG- but nothing is finished just yet. Most of HG's legal motions to this point have been delaying actions, and it seems their hope was to get PGI/HBS/CGL to just settle in exchange for money, but now that they are not backing down, things look dicey for them.
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So just so I got this right - there was a judge out there somewhere that had to look at pictures of Macross and our beloved Battletech robots for years and had to  about it seriously?This is the best job
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Rookersh posted:So if I wanted my character to be a space faschist type, but like service guarantees citizenship/technically not total dicks do I go space China or space Germany. Like I want to be an honorable duck. The Capellans are kind, gentle, and do not have a murder legion that's a really big fan of skull symbols. Any reports to the contrary are seditious lies.
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Captain Gordon posted:So just so I got this right - there was a judge out there somewhere that had to look at pictures of Macross and our beloved Battletech robots for years and had to Even better, the opening documents had to define things like "Animated Robot Warrior" in boilerplate legalese.
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Cowcaster posted:does anyone still have the link to the recently published legal rebuttal from harebrained schemes to the harmony gold lawsuit that basically said "these stupid fucks are just stalling for time because they know they don't have a leg to stand on and we're fed up with their bullshit" in legalese Great Beer posted:Update on the HG vs pgi suit: found it
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isildur posted:Space china is my favorite because I'm a drat socialist and when I read that 'most people like living there even though the Battletech world is a crapsack' I think... wow, these are supposed to be the bad guys? Oh 1980s, you were such a different time. Most citizens like living there. A large majority of the Capellan Confederation's population are not citizens.  Liao and Kurita are the most centralised of the Successor States, and are totalitarian as all gently caress. The other three are a hell of a lot more laissez-faire about planetary governance, with Davion having the most "feudal" structure with various march lords and dukes, Steiner's higher political scene being a lot about money and economic success (like, you can flat-out get a noble title for improving the local economy to a large enough degree, and the biggest hammer the elected Estates General holds over the Archon's head is that they're the ones writing the national budget) and the FWL being kind of a mess because the various smaller policies in parliament and the Captain-Generals have spent a lot of the last few centuries at each others' throats. Magni fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Magni posted:Most citizens like living there. A large majority of the Capellan Confederation's population are not citizens. service guarantees citizenship
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So what's the normal naming scheme for merc companies in Battletech? Trying to figure out if my standby of 'Gutter Rats' is going to work 
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CampingCarl posted:It probably is worth $10 to me but I backed the kickstarter back when I was poor and there doesn't look to be a way to upgrade. I would really like the artbook and soundtrack but I would have to pay $50 to get it, I hope I am missing something.
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aniviron posted:As an addendum, HG recently sued the creators of the designs, Big West, in Japan and lost; the Japanese court found that HG only ever had the right to display the show, they had no rights to the designs therein. Even after the courts found that HG did not have any rights to the designs, they went ahead and decided to sue Piranha and Harebrained, claiming effectively that all mech designs were their IP. The suit currently looks very good for Piranha and Catalyst Game Labs, and very bad for HG- but nothing is finished just yet. Most of HG's legal motions to this point have been delaying actions, and it seems their hope was to get PGI/HBS/CGL to just settle in exchange for money, but now that they are not backing down, things look dicey for them. and it's about loving time, this has dragged out decades too long
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b0lt posted:service guarantees citizenship And being allowed to serve (and to finish service) is a privilege. And privileges like that can be rescinded quite easily, without any kind of recourse for a mere subject.
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Zore posted:So what's the normal naming scheme for merc companies in Battletech? Trying to figure out if my standby of 'Gutter Rats' is going to work Basically anything. It's usually either NAME NOUN (Burr's Black Cobras, Storm's Metal Thunder, Ace Darwin's Whipits, Carson's Renegades) or RANDOM COOL THING (Dismal Disinherited, Fighting Urukhai, Stalwart Support, Kraken Unleashed). Some use actual military-eque names (7th Hell's Brigade, 32nd Recon Combat Group, 51st Dark Panzer Jaegers, 4th Illcian Lancers), but those are mostly descended from actual units that went rogue/merc. http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Mercenary_Commands
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everyone will learn to love the name of The Commissariat 
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Q_res posted:Did you back at $25 or $35? If you backed at $35 you got the soundtrack and artbook.
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Ciaphas posted:everyone will learn to love the name of The Commissariat Username checks out! Cain's Commissariat.
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That Italian Guy posted:By the way OP, you may want to add this to the first post: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fnaqQv8nnYpy9gtQm75-D6fmYfNJ5u3OALSIe8ckOuo/edit#gid=1844655663 To paraphrase MechCommander 2: Ah, the Gauss Rifle. When you absolutely, positively have to take that Atlas' head clean off in one shot. I love my job. Really surprised that much lostech made it into the game, but I'm super happy about all the extra variety
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This goes live at midnight, right?
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Apr 24, 2018 02:53
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No, 9am Pacific time tomorrow. Noon Eastern US.
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Q_res posted:Nice! Heads up folks, 20% discount on this link as long as you pre-order. Offer expires when the game launches. Go nuts. Ordered via this method and got my key immediately!
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That's uhhh... interesting.
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Apr 24, 2018 02:57
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Will it be possible to do any VPN fuckery?
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:This goes live at midnight, right? That email I got about it posted:The game will be available for pre-load on Steam on Monday, April 23rd at 9am PDT but the game WILL NOT unlock until April 24th at 9am PDT.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Will it be possible to do any VPN fuckery? yup, you'll definitely be able to use a vpn to unlock it at april 24th 9am pdt
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Weissritter posted:Username checks out! i will love that terribly written book series to the day i die and none y'all can stop me
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Apr 24, 2018 02:59
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Actually speaking of terrible books, and since this is the de facto battletech thread, there any fiction in this universe that's actually worth a drat (not the loving birds)
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Apr 24, 2018 03:00
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Mercenary Star and Wolves on the Border were pretty good reads.
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Axetrain posted:Yo clownshoes log back into your MWO accounts and stomp some robutts. You losers have nothing else to lose until Tuesday so might as well ride the mech nostalgia train straight to hell until then. Probably won't hurt that the game is actually pretty good these days. Winning at MWO is exactly like winning at Eve  feedmegin posted:I mean the RIGHT 750k absolutely would be. That's maybe 100, 000 words of plain text/maths. The Gibson rule on technical numbers applies here.
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Zore posted:So what's the normal naming scheme for merc companies in Battletech? Trying to figure out if my standby of 'Gutter Rats' is going to work imma name them the Corpse Brigade.
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