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Liquid Communism posted:He got it as a political appointment because the guy leading the Crusade liked him. IIRC, the books mention that Commissars are almost never from the same world as their regiments in order to make sure they don't have loyalties outside the job. Gaunt was expected to advance quickly, but he no sooner took command of three brand-new regiments from Tanith than the planet and two thirds of the troops were destroyed by a Chaos fleet, and he only saved the First by dragging them off-planet rather than letting them die defending it. Commissars are also meant to be outside the chain of command for the Guard. They're supposed to be neutral observers and enforcers with their own separate chain of command who hold no official rank within the Guard's command structure.
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I thought (and this may be a thing for the Book Thread) that he was the Commissar for the three regiments but after all the ranking officers got scutted and the regiments got folded into the First-and-Only Gaunt was given "temporary command" that more-or-less was exile (because Macaroth, with whom he was tight, had just gotten killed and Gaunt's position was in retrograde)? I dunno, I read the books a year ago and I went through them too fast so I might have the metanarrative completely reversed?
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You're thinking of Slaydo in that case. Macaroth was his successor after he died on Balhaut. In this case Gaunt was a commissar in the regiment Slaydo fought alongside on Balhaut and was a friend of him.
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Cooked Auto posted:You're thinking of Slaydo in that case. Macaroth was his successor after he died on Balhaut. In this case Gaunt was a commissar in the regiment Slaydo fought alongside on Balhaut and was a friend of him. Which was the one who detonated his own Leviathan command vehicle to deny it to the Archenemy?
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Schadenboner posted:Which was the one who detonated his own Leviathan command vehicle to deny it to the Archenemy? Err, that might have been 13th Black Crusade and not Sabbat Worlds.
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For my upcoming 1500pt tournament I'm considering taking a hit to CP and Troops to boost my firepower. I'm concerned that it may be a an issue in games with multiple objectives, but I'm feeling my current list idea doesn't have as much "umpf" as it could. Current list: quote:Battalion Revised list: quote:Battalion Pros: Far more long-range AT firepower, mobility/speed, ability to lock down long-range enemy units in close combat turn one Cons: -5CP, less troops, less psychic Thoughts? PierreTheMime fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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It looks like my local meta is getting toward 2k point lists. What do you guys think about this gimmick? ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Adeptus Mechanicus) [80 PL, 1098pts] ++ + Uncategorised + Forge World: Mars + HQ + Belisarius Cawl [13 PL, 240pts] . Warlord: Static Psalm-Code Tech-Priest Enginseer [3 PL, 47pts]: Omnissian Axe, Servo-arm + Troops + Skitarii Rangers [7 PL, 42pts]: 5x Skitarii Ranger . Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle Skitarii Rangers [7 PL, 42pts]: 5x Skitarii Ranger . Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle Skitarii Rangers [7 PL, 42pts]: 5x Skitarii Ranger . Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle + Heavy Support + Kastelan Robots [36 PL, 550pts] . Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster . . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster . Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster . . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster . Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster . . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster . Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster . . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster . Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster . . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster Onager Dunecrawler [7 PL, 135pts]: Broad Spectrum Data-tether, Cognis heavy stubber, Icarus Array ++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Mechanicus) [21 PL, 455pts] ++ + Uncategorised + Forge World: Stygies VIII + HQ + Tech-Priest Enginseer [3 PL, 47pts]: Omnissian Axe, Servo-arm, The Omniscient Mask + Fast Attack + Sydonian Dragoons [6 PL, 136pts] . Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance . Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance Sydonian Dragoons [6 PL, 136pts] . Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance . Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance Sydonian Dragoons [6 PL, 136pts] . Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance . Sydonian Dragoon: Taser lance ++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [21 PL, 447pts] ++ + Lord of War + Knight Gallant [21 PL, 447pts]: Meltagun, Reaper chainsword, Stormspear rocket pod, Thunderstrike gauntlet ++ Total: [122 PL, 2000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) Basically, Robots and Cawl, burning Wrath of Mars to delete units. Then a Stygies detachment of Dragoons that will be -2 to hit and can really do some work with the stratagem making them hit on 2+ and get multiple hits on 4+. I get a Knight to attempt to tangle with things like Mortarion and bigger threats.
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I am loving those Necrons. You did a great job with the colors and making them really pop.
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jadebullet posted:I am loving those Necrons. You did a great job with the colors and making them really pop. Thanks. Now I just need to make some regular Destroyers. A friend threw away gave me something like 18 of them terribly painted from when he was in high school and I still can't bring myself to strip and paint them. 
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They look really good, and my opinion is in no way biased by us having very similar Necron schemes.
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EvilBeard posted:It looks like my local meta is getting toward 2k point lists. What do you guys think about this gimmick? I haven't played with Dragoons because the PPM is outrageous, but it seems like a solid tactic. I know they perform really well. My only critique is maybe more troops? If you're playing objective games, you're going to have a bad time.
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Cythereal posted:Commissars are also meant to be outside the chain of command for the Guard. They're supposed to be neutral observers and enforcers with their own separate chain of command who hold no official rank within the Guard's command structure. This is it. Gaunt as a commissar is outside of the chain of command and sort of above it (a commissar can execute a general, but they'd have to justify it). Giving him an Imperial Guard rank made him an official commander of the unit.
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Posting some stuff I finished up recently. Thermic Plasma Regulators & Conduits:     Some earlier shots. I forgot to take a picture of the ends with my macromat.   Lastly, my Trajan Valoris on a white background, and after I fixed his tilt shield. 
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NovemberMike posted:This is it. Gaunt as a commissar is outside of the chain of command and sort of above it (a commissar can execute a general, but they'd have to justify it). Giving him an Imperial Guard rank made him an official commander of the unit. Ciaphas Cain notes that in theory, this is so commissars are free to interact with all levels of the Guard - a private and a general should be equal in a commissar's eyes, and Vail explicitly compares the Commissariat to the Inquisition in terms of how it functions.
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I stripped some models I got recently that were metal and the cleaning solution I used (can't remember the name offhand but it was a purple container) was really effective. However with the few plastic models I was trying to strip, the effect was greatly lessened. Is there a preferred solvent to strip paint off plastic minis? I'm thinking this because my IF tacticals would be much better served for my future Salamanders force, since I can load up on small tac squads with special and heavy weapons to take advantage of chapter tactic re-rolls.
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TheBigAristotle posted:I stripped some models I got recently that were metal and the cleaning solution I used (can't remember the name offhand but it was a purple container) was really effective. However with the few plastic models I was trying to strip, the effect was greatly lessened. I will go to my grave defending LA Awesome, which is cheap and a much better stripper than Simple Green.
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TheBigAristotle posted:I stripped some models I got recently that were metal and the cleaning solution I used (can't remember the name offhand but it was a purple container) was really effective. However with the few plastic models I was trying to strip, the effect was greatly lessened. I use Isopropyl alcohol. Works great.
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Cannibal Smiley posted:I will go to my grave defending LA Awesome, which is cheap and a much better stripper than Simple Green. I'm getting annoyed with simple green taking a long time so I want to try this.Which LA's Awesome product specifically?
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Man that guy looks good Zuul. I love the weathered metal look.
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Lupercalcalcal posted:I use Isopropyl alcohol. Works great. Just soak and scrub? Does it break down the plastic at all after a certain point?
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Zuul the Cat posted:I haven't played with Dragoons because the PPM is outrageous, but it seems like a solid tactic. I know they perform really well. My only critique is maybe more troops? If you're playing objective games, you're going to have a bad time. If I cut the Dunecrawler, I can add a few more Ranger units with Arquebus in the Stygies detachment. I might go with that.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Just soak and scrub? Does it break down the plastic at all after a certain point? It might make resin slightly soft according to some people, but I have never had an issue. I just put it in a tub of 97% iso and let it soak for a little bit, then scrub and repeat a few times.
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Earlier in the thread I saw people mentioning being forced into taking two archons in order to end up with a drukhari battalion. I was flipping through the book and that doesn't actually appear to be true. You can include kabal, wych cult, and covens in the same detachment and still get their special rules as long as you have ALL kabal be the same and ALL wych cult be the same and ALL coven be the same within that detachment. They have an extra section just for this explanation. So you can have an archon and a succubus and two squads of kabalite warriors and a squad of wyches and still have them be Kabal of the Black Heart on your archon/warriors and cult of the cursed blade on your succubus/wyches. Based on that, it seems Drukhari lists aren't actually penalized all that much in the european tournament format limiting you to no duplicate detachments.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Is there a preferred solvent to strip paint off plastic minis? Brake fluid. Wear gloves.
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General Olloth posted:Earlier in the thread I saw people mentioning being forced into taking two archons in order to end up with a drukhari battalion. 
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My reading comprehension sucks. In my defense, that section is really long and is full of BOLD and <BOLD> and my eyes gloss over reading it. Stupid complicated loving elves.
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Man this model is so much cooler than the plastic one: 
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General Olloth posted:Earlier in the thread I saw people mentioning being forced into taking two archons in order to end up with a drukhari battalion. Edit: beaten on the clarification. Mounting evidence is that Drukari don’t really need the help, but they’re even better when multiple battalions are allowed, so they will be slightly disadvanted in the ETC style format.
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In actual good content that isn't wrong: Olloth's Mini Stripping Process 1. Get a cheap ultrasonic cleaner. I also use this to clean mold release off my resin models, its pretty handy. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007Q2M17K/ $40 2. Use Super Clean, which is purple, and can be found in automotive stores or the automotive section of big box stores 3. Wear gloves, like regular latex gloves are fine. I keep latex gloves at my airbrushing station where I also have my ultrasonic cleaner. 4. Don't dilute the super clean, just mostly fill up the ultrasonic cleaner, enough so that it will cover your models without overflowing. 5. Dump all your minis in that will fit. 6. Set it to the max timer and run about 4-5 times, the liquid will get hot but not quite burning your hands. Don't worry about this, it's not going to melt GW plastic. I can't speak for non GW plastic. Your mileage may vary there. 7. Take the minis out and set them on a towel on your work surface or wherever. Probably not somewhere parts can fall down a drain. 8. Use these fantastic brushes https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003M8GMS6/ they are $7. They are stiff, and plastic/nylon/whatever bristles. They've got good shapes for getting into little grooves. Get the majority of the crud off the models. 9. Repeat steps 5 through 8, generally I only need to do this a second time. After the first round gets 90% of it off, the second pass will get the last bits 10. Take the basket out of the ultrasonic cleaner and rinse the minis in the sink. Rinse the above brushes and then use them to scrub final bits of soapy off if you really want, although I generally just kinda shake the basket under blasting water for a bit. There you go. This is what I've been doing to get a massive amount of Zandri Dust GW spray off my second hand tyranids. It also will eat all the regular GW paint off from over top of the spray primer. I couldn't get Simple Green to get GW spray primer off. I also did metal models like this, and it worked better than just soaking them in acetone actually. Tips: * You don't have to change out the super clean until you're done stripping all your models that you want to strip right now. You can even keep it after that depending on how much you can handle goopy gunk being around you. It works a bit better with the paint particulates in the dirty soap as they are abrasive and get into the little grooves better. * To clean mold release off, you can just use simple green or basic dish soap (a degreaser basically, can be gentle) in the ultrasonic cleaner and run it a couple times. Be a little more careful with how much you run it here, heat is more of a problem with resin. I found it got Hot but not Melting Hot, enough to actually let most of the parts naturally warp close to normal when going in bent. Two for one! You only need to run it maybe twice to get the mold release off. After that, you can just do the above basket rinsing, or you can rinse out the ultrasonic cleaner real good, put regular water in it, and let that wash the soap off. Depends on whether you just have one small basket of parts or if you want to assembly line a whole pile of stuff.
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I'm pretty sure super clean will also dissolve CA glue over enough time, so that's pretty handy too.
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Fake James posted:I'm pretty sure super clean will also dissolve CA glue over enough time, so that's pretty handy too. Ah, yes, I forgot to call that out. It will also destroy CA glue, which generally isn't an issue when you're stripping. It's actually helpful to have stuff back in pieces a lot of the time when people didn't trim mold lines the first time around....
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jadebullet posted:Man that guy looks good Zuul. I love the weathered metal look. Thanks dude. Super easy - Leadbelcher, 2 x Nuln Oil wash. I hit it with a hair dryer in between washes so it dries faster.
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heres my process for stripping minis: buy a pint of talenti gelato for 4 bucks from your local grocer  enjoy your frosty treat, and bonus! you now have a nice container for soaking poorly painted dudes you bought off of ebay next, go to dollartree and buy some bottles of this crap  and a pack of these  congrats, you now have all you need to get rid of someone elses lovely paint job, and you only spent like 8 bucks!
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Talenti is some seriously pro-tier gelato although I prefer Ciao Bella sorbet. Do you think that would work as well? 
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Schadenboner posted:Talenti is some seriously pro-tier gelato although I prefer Ciao Bella sorbet. Do you think that would work as well? Try Talenti's Raspberry sorbet. You will shed a tear in its glorious tartness
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:next, go to dollartree and buy some bottles of this crap Will this take off oil based primer like krylon fusion? I've noticed Simple Green doesn't do anything to oil based paint.
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One_Wing posted:Edit: beaten on the clarification. Kind of? Drukhari are for sure better when multiple battalions are allowed, but the rule of 3 is still painful because there are only Archon HQs for kabal units. Drukhari's kabalite warriors are among their best units ppm. So far most people want to put them in Raiders and/or Venoms. The way the strategems/obsessions/relics work out, almost every list is going to have a Kabal of the black heart heavy support detachment (1x archon) of 3x ravagers. Then, a Kabal of the Poisoned Tongue battalion (2x archon) to load up as many troops on transports as they can. Therefore, a total of 3 archons have been taken, the only Kabal HQ unit. A 5x kabalite squad with blaster in a venom with two splinter cannons (the loadout Lawrence Baker currently thinks is optimal) is around 122 points. This is great because it's cheap, but it also means the troop slots fill up fast. A 10 man with 2x blasters 1x dark lance on a raider with a disintegrator cannon is 194. Either way there's a lot of points left in the list that could be spent on more Kabalt of the PT troops, if there was no rule of 3 for Archons or if there was secondary kabal hq unit. Alas, there is not. TLDR: It's difficult (impossible?) to really spam kabalite warriors in boats with current tournament recommendations for rule of 3 and there being only 1 kabal hq choice. Which is a shame because I love Drukhari and the idea of taking a fuckton of basic troops. e: For clarity JIZZ DENOUEMENT fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Rule of 3 doesn't apply to troops and dedicated transports, so that's still 1150 pts for the 6 troops in that battalion.
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