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The shift in tone wasn't TOS vs TNG. The shift was TOS vs the movies. In my own head canon I like to think that what we saw in TOS was a fictionalized retelling of Kirk's exploits where everything from the movies on was a documentary.
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Imagine not being able to just watch old TV shows and having to make a "head canon" to explain why things are different in different decades of cultural context and production standards.
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Apr 24, 2018 22:32
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I'm at the Voyager section of the Fifty Year Mission and still wonder what Bujold's deal was especially when it came to the makeup & costuming people touching her. She had been in plenty of movies and had to have been touched while making those. I can't imagine an actor showing up on the set and just start acting without being readied by the crew.
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Apr 24, 2018 22:33
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bull3964 posted:The shift in tone wasn't TOS vs TNG. The shift was TOS vs the movies. A lot of the Trek EU took the assumption that Starfleet Command straight up didn't believe some of Kirk's reports. One mentioned an instructor at Starfleet Academy who liked to punish overly cocky cadets by putting them through a simulation of one of Kirk's more absurd made-up incidents where the cadets had to take the role of Kirk and company.
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Apr 24, 2018 22:33
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Mister Kingdom posted:I'm at the Voyager section of the Fifty Year Mission and still wonder what Bujold's deal was especially when it came to the makeup & costuming people touching her. She had been in plenty of movies and had to have been touched while making those. I can't imagine an actor showing up on the set and just start acting without being readied by the crew. All I heard, years ago, was her complaint about comic book dialogue.
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Apr 24, 2018 22:54
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Trickjaw posted:All I heard, years ago, was her complaint about comic book dialogue. She didn't like working with different directors, either. I find it hard to believe she did not know how TV shows worked.
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Apr 24, 2018 23:03
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Cythereal posted:A lot of the Trek EU took the assumption that Starfleet Command straight up didn't believe some of Kirk's reports. One mentioned an instructor at Starfleet Academy who liked to punish overly cocky cadets by putting them through a simulation of one of Kirk's more absurd made-up incidents where the cadets had to take the role of Kirk and company. "Yeah, no, THE Apollo."
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Apr 24, 2018 23:07
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:"Yeah, no, THE Apollo." 
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Apr 24, 2018 23:28
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Star Trek: You've been in space HOW long?
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Apr 24, 2018 23:48
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This is the first time I’ve seen the whole page posted with bizarro ripped Scotty
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Apr 25, 2018 00:59
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Doohan was always ripped. He was just the kind who looked pudgy in a shirt. Little known fact, he was actually Mr. Olympia during the movies.
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Apr 25, 2018 01:25
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:What 1000 Brown M and M's was getting is that there's a subtle difference between "TNG takes place in TOS's future" and "TNG takes place in a timeline where at least some of the elements of TOS were in the past history of TNG, but it's uncertain how much of TOS is in that past history of TNG." Yeah, exactly. Maybe I should have said something like "soft reboot" instead. As for the guy who was wondering whether to watch TAS or Star Trek Continues, you may as well watch both. TAS is only 22 half-hour episodes and Continues is only 11 hour-long epsiodes. You can bust out both in a weekend.
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Apr 25, 2018 01:33
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What was the other one you said was good? Continues and something else?
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Apr 25, 2018 02:15
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Star Trek Continues is great. I would definitely recommend it if you're a TOS fan. Two episodes in particular that I think are especially good: Fairest of Them All, a sequel to Mirror, Mirror; and of course the last two episodes, which provide a real ending to the TOS era that the show never got in its original run. Agreed except I'll add Lolani is one of the best Star Trek episodes of any series.
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Apr 25, 2018 02:56
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:What was the other one you said was good? Continues and something else? Renegades 
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Apr 25, 2018 03:03
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Oh wow, this is actually good! Holy poo poo!
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Apr 25, 2018 03:04
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What the gently caress? THAT WAS THE SAME ACTOR AS APOLLO? HOLY poo poo
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Apr 25, 2018 03:45
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Continues rules. I love that good one two punch start with the Apollo and Lola episodes and then the mirror universe follow up is really solid too. I think the only stinker in my view is Divided We Stand. But at least it took it's name from a good MASH episode.
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Apr 25, 2018 03:50
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah I remember telling my wife "oh yeah there's like a whole season where ds9 is occupied" but then I realized it was only a few episodes. Although if it was made today, a full season would only be, like, a dozen episodes, so...
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:What the gently caress? THAT WAS THE SAME ACTOR AS APOLLO? HOLY poo poo Yeah that was pretty amazing really
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Apr 25, 2018 04:20
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bull3964 posted:The shift in tone wasn't TOS vs TNG. The shift was TOS vs the movies. I'm curious: what shift in tone do you mean? I've been watching TOS and the TOS movies since I was a kid, and I've never noticed much of a change except that the characters matured. The "fictional retelling" theory is one I've heard before, but I don't really like it because it's too dismissive of TOS.
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Apr 25, 2018 04:20
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Bashir and his horde of autists come up with a Kobayashi Maru for Bashir to solve. How very Star Trek.
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Apr 25, 2018 04:38
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Yeah I usually can't watch fan productions because of the cringe factor, but Continues was legit good Trek
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I'm curious: what shift in tone do you mean? It drops a lot of the camp (but not necessarily humor). ST:II is the best example since we can compare it to Space Seed. Khan's character, twisted by being marooned and losing his wife, is a much more serious threat than in Space Seed even though he had Kirk dead to rights in the decompression chamber. Stuff like the ceti eels and the murder of the crew of the Regula station would have been completely out of place in TOS even when you take into account standards and practices and special effects. TOS is much more light hearted than anything except maybe ST:IV and you can't really account for all those differences in maturity of story telling. Really, I think Galaxy Quest matches the tone of TOS far closer than any of the original movies. It's a light-hearted romp, not a 6 movie arc about aging, death, and feelings of relevancy.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:What the gently caress? THAT WAS THE SAME ACTOR AS APOLLO? HOLY poo poo Also one of the guys in spacesuits on the hull is another Apollo--Jamie Bamber from 
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Apr 25, 2018 11:15
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Where did they get the budget for this and how did they not get shut down by Paramount?
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Apr 25, 2018 12:08
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Where did they get the budget for this and how did they not get shut down by Paramount? Turns out that CBS/Paramount was basically fine with the fan film stuff, including the fans straight up filming new episodes of TOS like Continues and New Voyages until one rear end in a top hat ruined it for everyone.
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Apr 25, 2018 12:14
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Where did they get the budget for this and how did they not get shut down by Paramount? Kickstarter, and they didn’t get shut down because it used to be that if you weren’t making money off fan films most IP owners didn’t care. Then it did get shut down when Axanar poo poo in the well.
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Apr 25, 2018 12:15
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I'd always heard that the rule with them was that as long as it was non-profit, they were totally fine with it. ^^ E:FB, how 'bout that Shatner eh?
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bull3964 posted:It drops a lot of the camp (but not necessarily humor). I'm not saying your point is completely without merit, but the tone of TOS isn't monolithic. Just off the top of my head, Operation: Annihilate! alone features mass death on a scale far beyond Regula One, and an awful parasite to boot. The Conscience of the King, Balance of Terror, and The Doomsday Machine also deal with mature themes without a lot of whimsy or romping. The movies are an evolution, sure, but not unprecedented.
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Apr 25, 2018 14:08
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The crew of the USS Defiant went insane from a negative space wedgie and bludgeoned each other to death. E: An energy being that feeds on rage cursed the Enterprise crew and a Klingon boarding party to spend eternity unable to die but mauling each other to death only to be resurrected endlessly. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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Apr 25, 2018 16:01
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Please crowdfund my fan-made sequel to the episode "Threshold" in which the Federation develops a special task force to deal with all the lizards that result from aliens throughout the cosmos who figure out how to go Warp 10, pop into every point in the universe simultaneously, and devolve.
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bull3964 posted:It drops a lot of the camp (but not necessarily humor). (Read the post wrong. Thanks, McNally) However, I do see your point. The movies were generally more serious than TOS, but I don't know if that's an uncommon thing for TV shows that become movies. What seems to end up happening a lot of the time is that a bigger screen and a larger audience means that writers feel like they have to tell more adult stories, which they may not have had the time or budget to tell on TV. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I dunno....is Khan a more serious threat in Space Seed? I'm not so sure about that because even though one of the themes of TWoK is experience (Kirk) vs book knowledge (Khan), Khan and his followers were still able to inflict a lot of damage on the Enterprise. He became especially dangerous after he captured the Genesis Device around 2/3 of the way in. They said Khan is a more serious threat than in Space Seed.
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skasion posted:Kickstarter, and they didn’t get shut down because it used to be that if you weren’t making money off fan films most IP owners didn’t care. Then it did get shut down when Axanar poo poo in the well. Paramount/CBS was so OK with Continues that they let them finish out their last 3 or 4 episodes well past The Directives were issued. Same with Cawley and NV: even though he agreed to end his new episodes, they gave him a license for official tours of his set. Which I heartily recommend--I've been there once and will be going in a week and a half to see Shatner there. If you are a TOS fan, this is like going to Disneyworld. Some fan films had a great relationship with TPTB.
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Apr 26, 2018 01:17
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Does continues use the same sets as new voyages or do they have their own? Cause those are really good sets. Is new voyages even better set-wise?
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Apr 26, 2018 01:40
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Does continues use the same sets as new voyages or do they have their own? Cause those are really good sets. Is new voyages even better set-wise? Different sets. New Voyages is in upstate NY and Continues is (was?) in Georgia, I believe. Vic worked on a couple NV episodes, then there was some kind of schism and Vic went off and started Continues. This all went down around the time of New Voyages "Kitumba" which Vic directed and co-starred as the Klingon villain.
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https://twitter.com/ScottWamplerBMD/status/989302430369136640 JJTrek 4 and TarantinoTrek? (I don't know poo poo about twitter, have no idea how to link to a single tweet in a thread) Big Mean Jerk fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Apr 26, 2018 02:32
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Serial movies are the new (old) hotness thanks to Marvel, and two of the three most highly-regarded Trek movies are part of a trilogy, so I would anticipate a two-parter.
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Random thought but Badgers fake episode of Trek in breaking bad is actually something I would’ve really enjoyed if it were real
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