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lobster22221
Jul 11, 2017

mauman posted:

I can send you a private message summing up the rest of the coda story if you like.

Regardless, this was a great lp and I congratulate you on getting as far as you did. Just getting through the main campaign (on the best path no less) was enough in my opinion.

I think I sent you a pm back, but just wanted to say thanks again.

It really is weird how all of the character developments seem to be in the hardest to access parts of the game.

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tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



For the record if someone's already gone to the effort of writing up a thing on the ending of the postgame, I'm happy to edit it into the last post as a final farewell to the thread, prior to it going to the archives.

mauman
Jul 30, 2014

Whoever's got the biggest whiskers does the talking.

tithin posted:

For the record if someone's already gone to the effort of writing up a thing on the ending of the postgame, I'm happy to edit it into the last post as a final farewell to the thread, prior to it going to the archives.

Not particularly in-depth and might be missing one or two details.

Anyways -

Coda 1 - Iuria (Canopus' sister) shows up and is possessed by a soul eating demon/thing called a Wicce (makes you wonder about Deneb) ....who turns out wasn't evil besides the whole must eat souls thing as she saved Iuria from a fate worse than death at the hands of pirates. This isn't revealed till the demon is destroyed though (which Iuria was sad about, but understood why it had to happen). You can't even start this coda (and therefore any of the Coda) if you beat the game on Neutral due to lacking a certain character.

Iuria joins the team and has her own class called the Songstress (which can also be used by pumpkin golems). The class is a bard type support and it's definitely of the spoony variety. Her best spells are cheap to buy and anybody can use them as an item, pretty much negating the need for the class.

Coda 2 - You go to the bottom of the Palace of the Damned, and find there's 15 more levels to it :suicide: . At the very bottom you find another chaos gate, open it and out pops Warren and Rodrick (King Dorgula's predecessor, and the guy who used those Apocrypha). As you imagine, you then have to keep Warren alive and kill Rodrick. Then Warren + the other Xenobians talk about how they need to leave but will remain friends.

This mission also requires you to go through PotD in the main game to clear out it's story missions (i.e. must kill Nybeth, remember him from Chapter 1?) before you do it in Coda. So THIS is the giant roadblock that most encounter with Coda. There are ways to skip levels in PotD, but they're kinda wonky.

Warren fully joins the group - his class Astromancer is basically the best dark magic caster in the game stats wise. He's missing a few spells from his spell list though preventing him from being truly great.

Coda 3 - here things get strange, it's not fully explained (or not at all really), but you go back in time and Save Lans from his fate by being at Rhime on time rather than being to late to stop the battle. Lans and Denim have a heart-to-heart talk where Lans compares Denim to the snes ogre-battle hero.

Lans joins the crew after this. Paladin is basically a souped up Knight with light casting added on.

Coda 4 - Denem says gently caress it, and goes ALL the way back in time to the battle where it all began - the night the Dark Knight's sacked his home town. He then goes and kills all of the Dark Knights, except Lans T. who warps away....

UNLESS you use JUST Denem, Catiua, and Vyce (so you have to go through Law) in which case if you save Lans T. for last, you can finally kill the bastard.

I'd imagine that this creates one hell of a time-paradox :downs:

Coda 4 also has some very touching scenes involving the power trio (Denem, Catiua, and Vyce) highlighting their character development. Denem has a very touching scene with his father in the past as well.

There's some really good battle-dialogue between characters and some really good cutscenes in this last Coda, which is a shame because of the bullshit of Coda 2 preventing most people from seeing it. In particular Ozma has a lot of dialogue talking about her part in all of it, and her regret for it all.

THEN you see an expanded version of the boat scene from the ending with all of the Xenobians (including Lans, Warren, Iuria, and even Deneb). The scene could also be called "Canopus get's dunked on".

mauman fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Apr 3, 2018

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



aaaaaaaaand updated.

Thanks.

mauman
Jul 30, 2014

Whoever's got the biggest whiskers does the talking.
Pulled out psp and noticed I made an error

My brain must have been combining the scenes, but the scene with Lans after coda 3 is just lans and in a plain not the boat. Wonder I mis-remembered that.

There's a scene with Warren and the other xenobians, but that's without Lans and also not on the boat.

I'll edit the summary if you want to re-post it.

edit - done.

2nd edit - I was right and wrong. Scene does exist, I just missed it when looking earlier.

mauman fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Apr 3, 2018

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Sure, there's plenty of time.

Alkarl
Aug 26, 2011

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Thanks for this! Coda really is an arcane hellgrind that really is excessive and lame for little payoff. It's cool to save Lans and Warren but the way classes level still hamstrings them and even then, what's really left to do? The Dark Knight Cage Match is pretty rad but good god it's a pain to get to.

So seriously, well done on smashing through the main story and the start of the obnoxious postgame!

mauman
Jul 30, 2014

Whoever's got the biggest whiskers does the talking.

Alkarl posted:

Thanks for this! Coda really is an arcane hellgrind that really is excessive and lame for little payoff. It's cool to save Lans and Warren but the way classes level still hamstrings them and even then, what's really left to do? The Dark Knight Cage Match is pretty rad but good god it's a pain to get to.

So seriously, well done on smashing through the main story and the start of the obnoxious postgame!

That last dark knight fight almost makes up for it. It's definitely the best (or one of the best) fights in the game.

Seriously, gently caress Coda 2. They should have put Coda 2 in San Brosa. That would have made it infinitely more tolerable.


Interesting thing I forgot about while replaying the final DK fight in Coda 4. Lans T. figures it out that you're time travelers, as his last line is (paraphrased) you're from the wrong spoke of the wheel.

mauman fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Apr 3, 2018

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
good job tith

waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

So Mauman covered the Coda pretty good. I'll putz around and try to put together something about the regular Palace of the Dead and the characters that have story elements in it a little later on today. I'll also keep popping in when I get bored and talking about a few obscure things that I can remember.

So later on today, I'll talk Divine knight, about Matriarch again, and the Wind God weapons.

Andyzero
May 22, 2009

I used to spoil, I'm sorry.
Thank you again Tithin.

One thing I wanted to mention, it's not a specific Coda per se, but another dungeon that unlocks in End Game is the Ruins of San Brosa containing the "Temple Of Law Eternal" and a gate to the Floating Ruins. This is basically Tactics Ogre's answer to those Floating Islands containing servants of the gods in the original Ogre Battle.

This is where you find the Angels. ...or rather, the Ethereal Visions as they're called. They've REALLY had better days; because they were F'ed by Roderick during the previous war using the Apocrypha.

So the Tigers of Burnham or whatever they were, those guys who shoot Levi in the bad ending; they're trying to figure out the secrets of resurrection from the ruins. Levi and co go to fight them. The Tigers suceed and find special items that can turn undead into living people again; as well as turn them into "Divine Knights", this games version of playable Angels.

.....this seriously cheeses off the actual angels who kill them and then give Levi a speech about how this nonsense is nothing compared to their existence and the existence of God and blahblahblah (just go watch a let's play of SMT to get an idea.)

Levi figures those are "fighting words" and kills them. ...then you have the choice of invading their home and taking their stuff. What I always found funny, because really there's no reason for him to be doing this. The Visions could have just said "That's our stuff, you all are stealing" and this would have been utterly reasonable. After the first fight in the Temple of Law Eternal, and thoughout the floating ruins; there's no dialogue at all. You just kill various monsters and Visions and take their stuff.

My interpretation: Angels got shoved out of being the favored status of the gods after the whole "Monotheism vs Polytheism" part of the previous war.

Other Aftergame Stuff.

The 12 Heavenly Generals. In the Palace of the Dead; through shenanigans, it becomes possible to construct special Tuning Forks that if you possess one and go into an area, you'll fight a Glowing Yellow Divine General and their posse. Fights, magic, weapon drops, etc. No plot.

Palace of the Dead; Nybeth is at floor 100 of this thing; and by the time you get to him; he turns into a Lich. Longest loose thread ever, you kill him. He's oddly overjoyed at this because he now gets to become one with the Dark and tempt people to fall to the Dark Side. Yeah, whatever. He shows up again in Final Fantasy 11 but he's no longer our problem.

How...get the Four Wind God Weapons (anyone who played Ogre Battle sees where this is going) which are random drops from certain enemies who may or may not even be in a stage throughout the POTD and the Floating Ruins; and then go back to floor 100 AGAIN; and you'll fight the elemental servant of Darkness, Blackmoor; a glowing gold Lich. Beat him; and you'll get the Crest of Fire (I'm pretty sure this is a reference to the Fire Emblem from those games) and the Grand Grimoire; which is a reference to Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and Vagrant Story because Square-Enix wanted to add their MacGuffin too.

Roobanguy
May 31, 2011

Andyzero posted:

Levi figures those are "fighting words" and kills them.

the best part is that is literally what he says.

ANGELIC BEING: Repent, mortals, for your souls are forfeit to heaven!

DENAM: Angel or no, those are fighting words!

Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR


I can gather some videos of the scenes, instead of you relying on a summary. Hold on.

Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Apr 5, 2018

Shiki Dan
Oct 27, 2010

If ya can move ya toes ya back's fine
Wow...I guess this is really supposed to be the last Ogre game in the series (or at the very least, the last one that Matsuno and company knew that they would have a chance to actually work on), so I guess they decided to cram every bit of extra stupid poo poo that fit in without drastically affecting the overarching Ogre Battle series plot, huh?

Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR


Eh, I'll start.

Palace of the Dead Floor 1:

https://youtu.be/oRYezYkGPO0?t=3896

Floor 2, Rudlum:

https://youtu.be/rJUlYzKpYjc?t=554

Floor 3:

https://youtu.be/oRYezYkGPO0?t=4998

Floor 5, Nybeth Encounter:

https://youtu.be/oRYezYkGPO0?t=5721

Floor 22, Beelzebuth:

https://youtu.be/oRYezYkGPO0?t=11707

Floor 41, Beelzebuth Again:

https://youtu.be/oRYezYkGPO0?t=19050

Floor 74, Beelzebuth Final Encounter:

https://youtu.be/u9CqjBUg-Pw?t=9371

Floor 100, Nybeth Final:

https://youtu.be/u9CqjBUg-Pw?t=17421

---

Coda 1 - Conversation with Sirene, Iuria's Possessor:

https://youtu.be/Emq1R186Dig?t=5523

Battle with Sirene:

https://youtu.be/Emq1R186Dig?t=7259

Defeat of Sirene, Iuria Joins, End of Coda 1:

https://youtu.be/Emq1R186Dig?t=7813

---

Start of Coda 2:

https://youtu.be/Vy-dIUXoKuQ?t=34

Battle vs. Vepahl, leader of the Tigers of Burnham:

https://youtu.be/Vy-dIUXoKuQ?t=1040

Defeat of Vepahl:

https://youtu.be/Vy-dIUXoKuQ?t=1252

Vepahl Round 2:

https://youtu.be/Vy-dIUXoKuQ?t=2688

Death of Vepahl and Ethereal Vision Speech (The intention of this scene is often misrepresented by people with a bit too much imagination. Vepahl makes it quite clear they aren't angels either. That's why the name of the speaker is given as Angel"ic", as in it only looks it. This is made clearer by their class description indicating they're only very pretty wingeds. It's not clear what the Ethereal Visions actually are.):

https://youtu.be/Vy-dIUXoKuQ?t=3415

---

Blackmoor, Palace of the Dead Floor 100:

https://youtu.be/gzX7u_fCHag?t=5870

First Encounter with Mysterious Boy:

https://youtu.be/gzX7u_fCHag?t=3758

Second Encounter with Boy:

https://youtu.be/gzX7u_fCHag?t=10993

Battle vs. King Rodrick, Chamber of the Dead:

https://youtu.be/gzX7u_fCHag?t=14616

Defeat of Rodrick, End of Coda 2:

https://youtu.be/gzX7u_fCHag

---

Start of Coda 3:

https://youtu.be/7lQgdnCrd-4?t=28

I trust you can skip around for the rest of the scenes by yourselves, it's all there.

Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Apr 5, 2018

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Thanks buddy, I added that to the last post too.

waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

Tactics Ogre Super Late Game Classes

Lich


(Female lich pictured, Image from Quarter to Three Blog)

So you want to make yourself a Lich? There's two ways, an easy way and a hard way.

The Easy Way:
Recruit one. Simple as that. The earliest you can recruit a lich is on floor 5 of Azelstan's side quest in the pirate graveyard which we didn't get to. At the very end are a set of generic liches that can be recruited. Bam, you're done.

The Hard Way:
Go to the Palace of the Dead (POTD), and fight all the way down to floor 33. There's a female Cenobite that drops a unique item called The Ring of the Dead. As it's a unique item, you can only ever have one of them. Continue to grind through the POTD until you reach floor 41. If you are doing the side quest, you'll see a story cut scene which informs you that you can do something special on that floor. Use the Ring of the Dead on any character you like and that character will become a lich.

Why do I want a lich?
Because liches are amazing magic casters. They can use necromacy magic, as well as an assortment of elemental magics. They can use the forbidden apocryphas, though they cannot use summons. If you need to nuke something with magic, and you aren't able to use a shaman or Deneb, then you want a lich.

Why would I want to go the hard way?
Because you can make literally any unique character a lich. Lich is very powerful magic class, but it's also so painfully slow. Making a unique character who naturally acts faster a lich makes your lich inherently faster. Plus, let's be honest, at this point you've played the game for about 60+ hours. You have some characters who have gained stat bonuses from gaining levels and TAROT cards. They will be miles better than any generic lich you can recruit.

What are the draw backs?
As mentioned earlier there a lot of easier ways to get really good magic users. Shamans are just as good and they have not as many restrictions on the magic they can use. Deneb's magic class is better, but again, it's a special class for her. Also there aren't any class marks for a Lich. If you ever switch classes, you're slogging through roughly 35 floors of the POTD to switch back to a lich. As such you'll need to plan very carefully and make extensive use of scavenging for skills to really take advantage of the lich. However that's not nearly as much planning as you'll need as when you get a Divine Knight....Who I'll talk about in the next post

waah fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 19, 2018

waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

Divine Knight

Sprites from the Spriters Resource


So divine knight or angel knights in the old SNES/PSX version is one of the most advanced and hardest classes to obtain in the entire game. It gets a bad rap because the class isn't as broken in the PSP remake as it was in the old days, but it's still a really good class. The problem is one that is common for the PSP remake, to get the most out of a Divine Knight you have to plan for it almost from the minute you start playing the game.

How to get one the "easy" way
Beat the game. Open up the San Bronsa post game ruins, and fight your way to floor number 3. You'll then need to have the special skill to recruit angels (Seraph's pact) and a lot of luck, because there is no other place to successfully recruit divine knights. So anything that can increase your Sacrology skill (what you don't have points in a skill you never had a use for until now?) will help you in your quest to recruit one. Prepare to throw thing and chariot a lot. This method is miserable but, it's also "the easy" way.

How to get one slightly easier
Play the game as normal and at some point in your game recruit and keep a skeleton. Beat the game. Open up the San Bronsa post game ruins. If you are lucky and spend a lot of time with CHARIOT, you can get an Ensanguined Rood unique item from the 1st floor battle of San Bronsa. When you get to battle 3, start a battle with your skeleton in your battle party. Have your skeleton use the Ensanguined Rood in this battle, and this battle alone, and your skeleton will turn into a Divine Knight.

How to get one the hard way
This method is sadly the only way your Divine Knight will be useful to you by the time you reach this point of the game. Start a game as normal. Before the end of chapter 1, nominate a generic character who you wish to become a Divine Knight in about 70 hours of game play later. Go all the way to chapter 4. Start the palace of the dead side quest. Obtain the "Book of the Dead" (Not to be confused with the ring of the dead, that's for liches), from floor #37. You can either beat the game now, or you can wait til later, but no matter what you do, you have to at some point exit and restart the POTD :negative:

Fight your way back to floor 22 which previously had a story battle showing a female character turning her minions into skeletons. Include the person you nominated to become a Divine knight go into this battle and use the Book of the Dead. This character turns into a skeleton. Go to San Bronsa and get an Ensanguined Rood. Have your skeleton join the fight and use the Ensanguined Root on floor 3 just like in the previous explanation and woila! You've got a Divine Knight that will actually be worth something in battle!

Weep uncontrollably that you wasted far too many hours of your life to get this class.

Why would I hate myself this much?
You have a sickness and want to be a completionist in a game that can be more of a grind that crappy Korean MMOs. I don't know what to tell you.

Let's say I've devoted 100 game play hours planning to make the best Divine Knight I could, what's he or she do?
They beat the ever loving piss out of the undead. Seriously. There are several unique abilities and skills that will straight murder undead so hard that they die and then die some more. They can use limited draconic magic, and limited divine magic. Basically they can cast exorcism 1 and 2 and starfall sticking with the "kill the crap out of the undead" theme. They can cast judgement, but why?

They have skills that cost TP that can do cool things like charm enemy units, silence them, or even reset the MP and TP of enemies. It's all pretty cool.

So why do people say they suck?
Because they are slow. And loading them up with armor makes them slower. And because you have to essentially "kill" them by making them into a skeleton, no one with a Warren Report entry can become a Divine Knight, meaning you don't get any uniques to make up for the class slowness like a lich.

So they're better than ninjas?
No :negative:

So they're better than crossbow archers or crossbow dragoons?
Uh... NEXT QUESTION

So they're at least better than every other generic class in the game right?
NEXT QUESTION!!!

So I wasted my time?
No. Basically few things will ever kill your Divine Knight. She can fly (because the male sprite sucks), give her the Brynhildr and watch her murder anything that is dumb enough to be near her the 4 times a battle she gets to act. Rampart Aura lets you lock enemies in a certain area which turns out to be really effin useful when it's time to CHARIOT 50 times to get a certain drop. Also the lowest areas of the POTD and the highest floors of San Bronsa are filled with maps that have straight disrespectful terrain. Your Divine Knight gives no care to terrain. And flight is not affected by enemy Rampart aura. You will need to get certain skills to her, but for the purposes of scavenging skills, the divine knight is considered a regular human. So recruit plenty of scrubs to sacrifice for your winged archangel of death.

What is major disadvantage
Once you have a Divine Knight, there are no class marks to turn back into one. You'll have to go through the whole process again. As such, scavenging skills is your only way to teach non class skills like tactician/treasure hunt/rampart aura if you didn't learn them before turning into a divine knight.

TL;DR:
Get as many skills and eat up a ton of tarot cards with a generic character. Only become a DK when you are 100% ready. Murder everything, slowly.

waah fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Apr 19, 2018

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





I always wonder who comes up with this crap in game design meetings.

"Ok...they have to collect a specific item hidden in an optional dungeon, THEN make it to floor 22 of the repetitive agonizing post-game dungeon"

The room is stunned silent. A single, solitary tear runs down the director's cheek.

"This is the greatest idea I have ever heard of. Let's waste hours of developer and QA time on this. Truly, I am a genius."

:

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist
It's a shame there's so much cool stuff buried behind such an unfriendly post game. Rather obscure parts of it as well. This could be the only game I played for years and I doubt I could see it all.

Shiki Dan
Oct 27, 2010

If ya can move ya toes ya back's fine
The Ogre series has always leaned heavily on secrets and optional content being obscure and meticulous as hell, but usually veers on the side of "how in the hell was I ever supposed to KNOW to do THAT" rather than "how in the hell would anyone ever have TIME for THAT?"

waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

So for those of you left, I got Tithin's blessing to try to grind out the rest of the story. Aiming for about one update every 2-3 weeks. The biggest problem won't be meeting the arcane requirements for the story, it will be just making the posts and the screenshots.

So you guys get to make the choice for the first storyline I attempt to tackle.

1) Palace of the Dead
2) San Bronsa Ruins
3) Coda Chapter 1
4) The Pirates Grave Sidequest
5) Other (explain)

We'll have voting through the EOD Apr. 29th.

What have I gotten myself into

Vvvv thanks I'll make that officially number 4.

waah fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Apr 26, 2018

mauman
Jul 30, 2014

Whoever's got the biggest whiskers does the talking.

waah posted:

So for those of you left, I got Tithin's blessing to try to grind out the rest of the story. Aiming for about one update every 2-3 weeks. The biggest problem won't be meeting the arcane requirements for the story, it will be just making the posts and the screenshots.

So you guys get to make the choice for the first storyline I attempt to tackle.

1) Palace of the Dead
2) San Bronsa Ruins
3) Coda Chapter 1
4) Other (explain)

We'll have voting through the EOD Apr. 29th.

What have I gotten myself into

4 we're sill lacking a certain pirate.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



I reckon see out end of Coda chapter 1, purely for continuities sakes

Shitenshi
Mar 12, 2013

tithin posted:

I reckon see out end of Coda chapter 1, purely for continuities sakes

This.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

waah posted:

What have I gotten myself into

My constant nagging to finish tithin’s your LP

tithin posted:

I reckon see out end of Coda chapter 1, purely for continuities sakes

you have no power now, old man

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





Palace of the Dead. suffer!

waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

Palace of the Dead. suffer!

Jokes on you. It'll take me longer to screen shot and write up the POTD story battles than it will to actually complete the POTD.

Yay?

Alkarl
Aug 26, 2011

Bonus EXP: 300
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I'm into finishing CODA first too!

waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

Episode WORLD Pt I.

Strange things are afoot on the isles. The locals say they have seen apparitions of those who should be long dead appearing as if they are still alive. They speak of heroes fading from the river of time and being forgotten all together. They speak of heroes who are no longer called by the names they never had.

It is a strange time, but all of this has happened before. And it will all happen again.

It is rumored that our heroes came into the possession of a mysterious and ridiculously overpowered ancient artifact called the Fire Crest



So one of the most interesting things about the Fire Crest is it's weight as you can see. In this case it weighs 10 units. For a good comparison, most mid to late game armors weigh about 5 to 7 units and most arm guards weigh 4 to 6 units. So the Fire Crest weighs about as much as a decent set of body armor, and arm guards combined.

But that number is in red, and in Tactics Ogre, equipment numbers in red mean negative. So the fire crest weighs NEGATIVE 10 units. Already we can see how good this might be. Let's continue shall we?



Overpower +2, that's a good thing. Nothing else left to see here. Not at all.



:stonk:

I mean wow. But there has to be a downside to this right?



Nope. No at all, unless you actually want to obtain the Fire Crest. See to actually get the Fire Crest, you have to complete CODA 2, which we'll be suffering through together one day in the future. But suffice it to say you earn every bit of OPness of the Fire Crest in the amount of BS you have to go through to get to it. It also opens up a new screen on the Warren Report,



Where you can review your standings with the citizens of Valeria. This, is the dreaded Chaos Frame. And the following screen is what it looks like.



So behind the scenes this is what detemines if you can recruit Cressida, or if you get the bad ending or what loyalty level your recruits join at if you recruit human recruits from the shops. If would be nice if you could see this before you got to the point where you can make most of the game a cake walk, but this is the Tactics Ogre way.

Deneb and Warren
This is one of my favorite scenes in the game, and since a significant portion of the post game is about rescuing Warren, and the fact that as of right now, Warren is... somewhere, we might as well visit this scene that takes place sometime in Chapter 4. But only if you have recruited Deneb, and have not yet started the Hanging Gardens.




This doesn't sound good


Deneb runs into the room with Canopus chasing her.




:drat:





I don't think she cares Canopus.









Deneb has few qualms about changing bodies. It's a similar deal in the other Ogre Battle games as well. Deneb's sense of ethics... well she would make a great politician.







Canopus obviously is still a bit salty about the cantaloupe comment.





Our heroes clearly don't take kindly to being called old.





Canopus finishes pouting and leaves.





Warren being in a coma doesn't seem to notice the maybe not quite so playful banter a few feet from him.



Afterwards, it's hard to tell in a screen shot but Deneb gives Warren a kiss on the cheek and leaves.
:3:

waah fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Apr 27, 2018

waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

So this mini update serves as a practice run for me and the formatting. Let me know if the screen shots are too large, too many, if it's not clear what's going on, or etc. This is your chance to offer feedback on how these updates are formatted going forward, and to introduce you to our new hero, Not Levi Don Quioxte!

Shitenshi
Mar 12, 2013
Deneb should be the last person to be calling anybody old, that hag. It's like when Saradin who looks about the same as Warren, called the body jumping Albeleo an old geezer despite looking like your average warlock.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Andyzero posted:

Palace of the Dead; Nybeth is at floor 100 of this thing; and by the time you get to him; he turns into a Lich. Longest loose thread ever, you kill him. He's oddly overjoyed at this because he now gets to become one with the Dark and tempt people to fall to the Dark Side. Yeah, whatever. He shows up again in Final Fantasy 11 but he's no longer our problem.

Not sure if he's also in XI, but Palace of the Dead is very much a thing in XIV and you fight him on Floor 100.

mauman
Jul 30, 2014

Whoever's got the biggest whiskers does the talking.
I'm not sure if any ending involving CF could be described as good vs a bad one.

Only way to have a "good" ending is to make sure your sister lives.

mauman fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Apr 28, 2018

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever
I had an idea... is it possible to send the portion of this game consecrated to one major branch of the main plot to the archives, and then continue the thread with the intention of sending the rest of the post-game materials as a separate entry later? I thought that might be useful given the current situation. I can completely understand tithin being burned out and I am grateful that he finished the main story, but perhaps his hard work should be saved on its own to preserve his effort and his own unique storytelling methods.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



If waah wants to start a new thread, he can - not sure I see the need personally, but that's up to him. I'm happy to update the threads index and stuff with his updates as I would have my own.

JustJeff88 posted:

and his own unique storytelling methods.

Can't tell if this is a burn or not

Andyzero
May 22, 2009

I used to spoil, I'm sorry.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Not sure if he's also in XI, but Palace of the Dead is very much a thing in XIV and you fight him on Floor 100.

Gah, XIV. The OTHER MMORPG.

Roobanguy
May 31, 2011

mauman posted:

I'm not sure if any ending involving CF could be described as good vs a bad one.

Only way to have a "good" ending is to make sure your sister lives.

i've always just called it the neutral ending.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

tithin posted:

If waah wants to start a new thread, he can - not sure I see the need personally, but that's up to him. I'm happy to update the threads index and stuff with his updates as I would have my own.


Can't tell if this is a burn or not

I think he's just worried the thread will burn out and the finished story will be lost.

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waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

I can go either way. I was thinking maybe a new thread, but a post-game thread means a nothing if the completed thread is locked in the archives.

Additionally, some of the quests, Pirate Graveyard and PotD are technically just chapter 4 side quests, not post game.

It doesn't matter to me, either way, we do this we are just gonna try to make sure this thing gets done. I am here for you guys and to have just a few more months to be able to talk about Tactics Ogre.

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