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SuperMechagodzilla posted:FN is actually the audience surrogate - the average working-class shmoe who suddenly wakes up into the fantasy land. Of course he’s also a virgin. I love this especially because Finn is an average working-class shmoe who suddenly wakes up from ill-defined servitude of a fascist regime, and then it turns out he was a bog standard janitor. No tragic backstory of suppression, dude has been a cog in the wheel who kinda hated his job but didn't really have any reason to leave before he was assigned to do a massacre.
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jivjov posted:Han's not a complete moron though. Maybe he's boasting, and his ship isn't literally the fastest ever...but nothing about him suggests that he would spout nonsense gibberish as a boast. "Making the kessel run in some number of parsecs" must be A Thing in the universe; else he would have boasted something else. It sucks to explain a joke, but the joke is that Han is trying to say something like 'yoctosecond', 'attosecond', or 'picosecond'. Those are actual measurements of time. (If Han did the Kessel Run in 12 picosecs, that would be ridiculously fast - twelve trillionths of one second.) But because Han is bullshitting and doesn't care whether what he's saying makes sense, he just chooses a random word that sounds fast: 12 "parseconds". Han doesn't understand that a parsec is a measure of distance, and he doesn't care either, because all he wants is money.
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Apr 29, 2018 01:17
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wouldn't a space pilot understand measurements of distance? Like it'd be a naval captain not knowing knots.
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Apr 29, 2018 01:23
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Turtlicious posted:wouldn't a space pilot understand measurements of distance? it's a space pilot trying to throw out fancy words to impress what he sees as two backwards rubes in a desperate attempt to get the money he needs to pay off the space mob
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Apr 29, 2018 01:31
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Brother Entropy posted:pretty sure SMG does that specifically just to razz the kind of person who'd care about something that minor Not so sure its minor. Would it still be minor if SMG only referred to Kunta Kinte as "Toby" in a Roots discussion?
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Apr 29, 2018 01:41
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Turtlicious posted:wouldn't a space pilot understand measurements of distance? Well again, that’s the joke. Han is a highly unprofessional pilot, possibly even self-taught. He doesn’t need to know units of distance because, in a few minutes, we’ll learn that he’s reliant on a ‘navi-computer’ to do all the navigating. If Obiwan were like “this laser sword is over 10,000 lightyears old”, that would be a nice additional clue that he’s bullshitting Luke. But Obiwan doesn’t make that sort of mistake, because he’s smarter than Han. This is characterization for both of them. Obiwan’s bullshit is more effective because of he can twist anything he says to fit ‘a certain point of view’. Han’s boast about the parsec, on the other hand, is just false. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Apr 29, 2018 |
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Apr 29, 2018 01:51
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UmOk posted:Not so sure its minor. Would it still be minor if SMG only referred to Kunta Kinte as "Toby" in a Roots discussion? the african slave trade was a real part of history, is the main difference there
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Apr 29, 2018 01:52
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Brother Entropy posted:the african slave trade was a real part of history, is the main difference there Star Wars is a movie made by white people who live in a country built by slaves. Their fantasies are not value-neutral.
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Apr 29, 2018 01:58
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UmOk posted:Not so sure its minor. Would it still be minor if SMG only referred to Kunta Kinte as "Toby" in a Roots discussion? Finn is just FN sounded out as a word. It is his slave name. He didn’t even pick it, Poe just tells him he’s gonna call him Finn because it’s what FN spells phonetically.
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Apr 29, 2018 02:10
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Hint: Threepio, Artoo
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Apr 29, 2018 02:31
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UmOk posted:Not so sure its minor. Would it still be minor if SMG only referred to Kunta Kinte as "Toby" in a Roots discussion? I want you to go sit in a corner and wonder why you thought this was a good contribution to the conversation.
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Apr 29, 2018 02:46
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Finn is just FN sounded out as a word. It is his slave name. He didn’t even pick it, Poe just tells him he’s gonna call him Finn because it’s what FN spells phonetically. Right, ‘Finn’ is a nickname, like ‘Mike’. At the end of The Matrix, Keanu’s not like “my name is Tom!”
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Apr 29, 2018 02:57
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Disney actually just signed me on to direct a short film about Finn getting all of the paperwork set up for his name change, Space Social Security number, all of that. It won't come out until well after IX but will be set in between The Last Jedi and IX. Even so, looking forward to starting preproduction on the first Finn-off set in the sequel era.
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Apr 29, 2018 04:35
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Obiwan’s bullshit is more effective because of he can twist anything he says to fit ‘a certain point of view’. Han’s boast about the parsec, on the other hand, is just false. Old Ben doesnt come across as a good liar or one that even uses the certain point of view perspective. Not until he has to defend his ruse about Vader being Anakin to Luke in RotJ when he's confronted about it do we even hear how Ben can play that game. A concept where by the time we hear about it, Han has proven to be more than what he puts out. In ANH Kenobi uses magic powers to brain wash no name soldiers. Old Ben is wise, crafty and seconds before seeing Han and Chewie he shows that he's a master swordsman and that's about it. Kenobi does a blink and you'll miss it eye roll at Solos boasting, and sure it's implied Ben doesn't buy the sales pitch but Ben's the one who insists on negotiating with Han on the fee. Nothing at this part in the movie gives the audience any indication that Kenobi is a better liar than literally a scummy truck driver who owes a loan shark money and who hangs out with villians in a Jizz bar. AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Apr 29, 2018 |
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Apr 29, 2018 05:38
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AndyElusive posted:Nothing at this part in the movie gives the audience any indication that Kenobi is a better liar than literally a scummy truck driver who owes a loan shark money and who hangs out with villians in a Jizz bar. "These are not the droids you're looking for."
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Apr 29, 2018 05:53
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Schwarzwald posted:"These are not the droids you're looking for." Exactly, he waved his hands and cast an Affect Mind spell on the storm troopers. He could have asked the trooper to shoot his friends in the face if Ben wanted, but you can see how that might blow their cover. AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Apr 29, 2018 |
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Apr 29, 2018 05:59
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AndyElusive posted:Exactly, he waved his hands and cast an Affect Mind spell on the storm troopers. ...and the fact he can do that is evidence he's a bad liar?
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Apr 29, 2018 06:12
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It's evident that he's a great wizard but a liar? Not so much. Ya the statement he makes is a lie technically, but everyone in that scene knew those were the droids. That was a bad lie. Magic made the troops believe it.
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Apr 29, 2018 06:27
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Milky Moor posted:The only ST character worth a drat is Kylo Ren. Agreed. It's a real pity too because the ST has hands down the best cast of any of the SW films and they're pissing it away on this regurgitated worthless shlock.
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Apr 29, 2018 06:38
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AndyElusive posted:In ANH Kenobi uses magic powers to brain wash no name soldiers. I’m referring specifically to his interactions with Luke and Han. Of course Obiwan pretends to be a monster by yodelling, and uses the power of suggestion to dupe the cops. But even then, in the context of A New Hope, Obiwan doesn’t use magic to get out of the traffic stop. His secret power is being a white dude. When dealing with people who aren’t ‘weak minded’, Obiwan tells tricky half-truths. He doesn’t actually have 17000 spacedollars, for example - Leia does. But, from a certain point of view, being friends with Leia means that he sort-of has the money, right? Forget, of course, that Leia is in danger. Obiwan uses Luke’s entire life savings to further imply that he’s rich - but he never claims it outright.
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Apr 29, 2018 08:34
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Milky Moor posted:The only ST character worth a drat is Kylo Ren. Poe is Buck Rogers, basically. He's the dashing cool guy who would be the protagonist but not all their problems can be fixed by shooting. TLJ is partly about him learning that hard lesson.
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Apr 29, 2018 08:35
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Since, at the time, we, the audience, doesn't know what the Kessel Run is, maybe making it in 12 parsecs is. As in, if your ship isn't fast enough to hit the right spots, you have to fly a different route, one that might take 20 parsecs to complete. The question we should be asking is why Boba Fett is stupid enough to disintegrate his bounties?
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Apr 29, 2018 14:41
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Davros1 posted:Since, at the time, we, the audience, doesn't know what the Kessel Run is, maybe making it in 12 parsecs is. As in, if your ship isn't fast enough to hit the right spots, you have to fly a different route, one that might take 20 parsecs to complete. Some people are okay with Dead or Alive, and some might even prefer Dead
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Apr 29, 2018 15:29
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jivjov posted:Some people are okay with Dead or Alive, and some might even prefer Dead But if they were disintegrated how would he prove they were dead? That could be any old dust pile he brings back.
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Apr 29, 2018 16:32
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RBA Starblade posted:But if they were disintegrated how would he prove they were dead? That could be any old dust pile he brings back. That’s why he’s got that neat visor thing to video record the disintegration.
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Apr 29, 2018 16:38
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Davros1 posted:Since, at the time, we, the audience, doesn't know what the Kessel Run is, maybe making it in 12 parsecs is. As in, if your ship isn't fast enough to hit the right spots, you have to fly a different route, one that might take 20 parsecs to complete.
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Apr 29, 2018 17:24
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Maxwell Lord posted:Poe is Buck Rogers, basically. He's the dashing cool guy who would be the protagonist but not all their problems can be fixed by shooting. TLJ is partly about him learning that hard lesson. So, other than losing the bombers, how did Poe's actions set the Resistance back?
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Apr 29, 2018 17:34
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SimonCat posted:So, other than losing the bombers, how did Poe's actions set the Resistance back? He blabbed about the plan as soon as he heard it, which caused the bad guys to find out about it and blow up like 90% of their guys + attack their rickety back-up hiding place.
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Apr 29, 2018 18:02
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business hammocks posted:He blabbed about the plan as soon as he heard it, which caused the bad guys to find out about it and blow up like 90% of their guys + attack their rickety back-up hiding place. If the Admiral had told anyone what the gently caress was going on, it wouldn't have been an issue.
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Apr 29, 2018 18:14
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Ash1138 posted:the scoundrel smuggler working for a gangster can’t possibly be lying to a couple of marks, it must really be [insert convoluted explanation here] More convoluted than the last several pages of discussion?
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Apr 29, 2018 18:47
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I am amazed people are still trying to use logic to explain poo poo that happened in TLJ.
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Apr 29, 2018 20:14
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Logic proves that what happened was the script needed another round of edits.
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Apr 29, 2018 20:19
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SimonCat posted:If the Admiral had told anyone what the gently caress was going on, it wouldn't have been an issue. Yeah military leaders always share all their information with everyone
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Apr 29, 2018 20:34
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Maxwell Lord posted:Yeah military leaders always share all their information with everyone Good ones share the plan with the subordinates who have to carry it out, yes. Have you ever been in the military?
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Apr 29, 2018 20:35
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SimonCat posted:Good ones share the plan with the subordinates who have to carry it out, yes. The ones who carry it out, not literally everyone. Poe had quite recently disobeyed orders and proven himself not very trustworthy.
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Apr 29, 2018 20:40
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jerk irl posted:I am amazed people are still trying to use logic to explain poo poo that happened in TLJ. Yeah people IRL don't make mistakes or fail to share information
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Apr 29, 2018 20:40
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Maxwell Lord posted:Yeah people IRL don't make mistakes or fail to share information It just seemed/felt forced to me, all that thing, up to Admiral Hodor's sacrifice. No real build up... just bad storytelling. But maybe that's just me.
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Apr 29, 2018 20:48
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the fact that people keep trying to place singular blame on either poe or holdo shows that they didn't get TLJ's real obvious theme of following your own assumptions instead of communicating
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Apr 29, 2018 20:50
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Like, let’s do some maths here. Greedo says that the Falcon is worth less than 10,000 space dollars; since Han doesn’t have Jabba’s money, Jabba might settle for just taking the Falcon. um... when?
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Maxwell Lord posted:The ones who carry it out, not literally everyone. Poe had quite recently disobeyed orders and proven himself not very trustworthy. So you're just talking out your rear end here.
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