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Platystemon posted:That’s a big water heater. My estimates are bad. But it sounds like it's roughly equivalent, then, in terms of temp down in the air and temp up in the water? So yeah kinda useless for meaningfully heating water. I've never lived anywhere for a long time that needed lots of air con, but do heat exchangers make much sense in this situation? They're being touted here as sort of useful for underfloor heating which operates at a lower temperature than regular radiators.
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There are lots of waste heat recovery methods in commercial and especially industrial applications, and it can be used for stuff like pre-heating boiler water or fuel oil. Large multi-tenant facilities might be doing some of that stuff but you just don't get enough out of the extra effort, complexity, and expense in low density residential from most waste heat. Solar panel cooling, which is very much not my area, apparently is an opportunity of some promise, though.
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Jaded Burnout posted:My estimates are bad. But it sounds like it's roughly equivalent, then, in terms of temp down in the air and temp up in the water? So yeah kinda useless for meaningfully heating water. Yes, I often want to heat my home while I'm running air-con. These systems can work, and can potentially reduce bills a little bit, but unless you live in some extreme area that makes it suitable and beneficial, OR, have a commercial/industrial level of heat, it's just not going to pay for itself inside it's lifetime, and will make things more complicated. Comparable things: Heatpumps are worth it if you live somewhere really cold, but otherwise not really. Geothermal is magic in Iceland, less so almost everywhere else, where it's less near the surface and not practical/economical to get to. My neighbours (UK) have both solar panels & direct solar water heating equipment on their roof. I'm suspicious that either make any difference to their bills given our weather, and the fact that they're older & easily duped (they paid $$$ money to have the outside of their brick/cinder block house sprayed with a waterproofing product, for no obvious reason).
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May 1, 2018 13:52
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wooger posted:Yes, I often want to heat my home while I'm running air-con. Yeah as you can tell the entire idea of air con as anything but a luxury is anathema to me, my world is centered around heating.
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May 1, 2018 14:43
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in FL that's pretty much reversed
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May 1, 2018 14:48
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sneakyfrog posted:sooo you dont like ever light some candles around the house? is the tv explosive in some way? I light candles around the house but they are tiny candles not full candlesticks and I certainly don't put it less than a foot away from a TV. I'd worry that the heat would do something bad over time. Also yes, all TVs are explosive in some way. Checkmate.
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May 1, 2018 14:50
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When someone said "put the fire on the TV" they meant one of those stupid christmas screensavers.
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poemdexter posted:I light candles around the house but they are tiny candles not full candlesticks and I certainly don't put it less than a foot away from a TV. I'd worry that the heat would do something bad over time. weenie.
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May 1, 2018 15:01
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I once foolishly melted a bit of our old tv by leaving a tea light candle underneath it on the mantle. 
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May 1, 2018 15:18
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drgitlin posted:I once foolishly melted a bit of our old tv by leaving a tea light candle underneath it on the mantle. At least it didn't explode and level half your neighborhood.
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May 1, 2018 15:32
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poemdexter posted:At least it didn't explode and level half your neighborhood. 
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Enourmo posted:This reminds me of a thought I've been bouncing around, are there any systems that (intentionally, and with good engineering principles) dump waste A/C heat into a water heater tank? You've got a large thermal mass that you want to heat up, and large quantities of heat that need to be dissipated; seems like a perfect opportunity to kill two birds with one stone, and reduce your overall power bill. Maybe still have a condenser unit to dump heat outside when the water gets saturated, but is this a thing at all?
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May 1, 2018 19:18
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Enos Cabell posted:I feel like your light fixture shouldn't be bigger than your tv. It looked smaller in the box (it's a kit):  poemdexter posted:Also, I just realized there's an open flame next to the TV. poemdexter posted:I light candles around the house but they are tiny candles not full candlesticks and I certainly don't put it less than a foot away from a TV. I'd worry that the heat would do something bad over time. Whenever you think you knew just how detached from reality goons were, this sort of post happens. Also how in the gently caress is the size of the candle in any way related to the intensity of heat it puts out?
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May 1, 2018 19:37
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Bro, I just got in a 1200W candle grill for summer, bro, KEROSENE wax, it's gonna get lit
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Jaded Burnout posted:Bro, I just got in a 1200W candle grill for summer, bro, KEROSENE wax, it's gonna get lit Never tried to cook anything with candles (I suppose if you put them close enough under a metal vessel it would work?) but they're great for keeping your glögi hot. 
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May 1, 2018 19:47
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May 1, 2018 19:50
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Yeah candles are for nerds 
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May 1, 2018 19:51
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Whenever I see someone with a lit candelabra perched on a piece of furniture, I say to myself 'well, this guy doesn't own a cat'.
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Ashcans posted:Whenever I see someone with a lit candelabra perched on a piece of furniture, I say to myself 'well, this guy doesn't own a cat'. they learn pretty quick not to light themselves on fire, we have 3, only one has been that much of a dipshit and even then just singed off half his whiskers
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May 1, 2018 19:57
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And it's crazy how modern materials burn, despite all their "flame retardant" properties. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDNPhq5ggoE tl;dw: Old poo poo catches fire more easily, but takes a lot longer to burn. Modern stuff may take a bit to catch, but burns way more quickly and will kill the gently caress out of you.
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May 1, 2018 20:05
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Jerry Cotton posted:It looked smaller in the box (it's a kit): I dunno, how is the size of the flame in any way related to the intensity of heat it puts out? Maybe, because the wicks are different sizes therefore the size of the flame is bigger on a regular candlestick compared to some candle in a jar from bed bath and beyond or a tea light sitting in a cup on a restaurant table. But what do I know, I'm just some goon from the internet completely detached from reality. I just thought it was dumb to put an open flame next to a TV, but you do you.
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May 1, 2018 20:17
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Candlesticks don't have wicks. Candlesticks have candles stuck on them.
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May 1, 2018 20:41
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candles suck, dont put fire in your house as decoration lol.
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May 1, 2018 20:49
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I happen to be a fire liker and want to put a fire pit in my back yard. Nothing fancy, one of the Menard’s kits is good enough. Any tips besides make sure everything is level?
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May 1, 2018 20:52
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some folks dont like to have computer monitors be the only source of ambient lighting in our basement gooncaves. 
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devmd01 posted:I happen to be a fire liker and want to put a fire pit in my back yard. Nothing fancy, one of the Menard’s kits is good enough. Any tips besides make sure everything is level? dont use concrete blocks, use firebricks. concrete block tends to explode. fire pits are rad
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sneakyfrog posted:some folks dont like to have computer monitors be the only source of ambient lighting in our basement gooncaves. That's when you go to goodwill and pick up some shadeless lamp bases for literally a dollar and put them behind things like the TV, for some classy as gently caress ambient lighting.
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May 1, 2018 20:56
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My wife absolutely loves tea lights and we go through so many...
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:That's when you go to goodwill and pick up some shadeless lamp bases for literally a dollar and put them behind things like the TV, for some classy as gently caress ambient lighting. the first time i got married i had to throw away all that poor college student trash and actually buy lamps and stuff. jeez. i did not realize how apropos the new thread title is. flame retarded weenies in here.
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Honestly though candles are terrible. Fire is cool and good, just not in a home I only made my post because it's what I did a few weeks ago after moving. lovely 70's apartment, no built-in lighting. I didn't own enough lamps and stuff, and I have a personal life goal of never owing a floor-standing bowl lamp again. You know the ones - 6 foot pole with a frosted white bowl on top and a weighted base. I've had one in every lovely place I've been and I hate them. Discovered that I could put a small lamp behind the TV to get some good ambiance (and make watching TV less strain on my eyes), and took the concept from there.
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Honestly though candles are terrible. Fire is cool and good, just not in a home if you dont have cats those japanese style paper floor lamps are good for diffused light as well.
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sneakyfrog posted:if you dont have cats those japanese style paper floor lamps are good for diffused light as well. Everyone should have cats 
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Iron Crowned posted:Everyone should have cats and dogs. and open flames in your house cant get into valhalla if you are skeered of a yankee candle ffs.
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Instead of light bulbs, I have angle grinders throwing steel sparks around. It's the perfect ambiance.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Instead of light bulbs, I have angle grinders throwing steel sparks around. It's the perfect ambiance.  nice
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I rent a 150-year-old log cabin every year and the owners encourage use of the fireplace but are real persnickety about lighting candles anywhere lest the building burns down. And then also have a gas oven? I bring scented candles and just keep an eye on them. The firepit outside is on a huge rock that’s over twenty feet across so there are no warnings about that. Fire is good if you’re not an idiot.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Candlesticks don't have wicks. Candlesticks have candles stuck on them. You win this time Jerry Cotton. But next time... next time...
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Fire is cool and good, just not in a home The home is the best place for fire.
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Metaline posted:I rent a 150-year-old log cabin every year and the owners encourage use of the fireplace but are real persnickety about lighting candles anywhere lest the building burns down. And then also have a gas oven? I bring scented candles and just keep an eye on them. The firepit outside is on a huge rock that’s over twenty feet across so there are no warnings about that. Fire is good if you’re not an idiot. there's your catch, people are dumb as poo poo and will burn their house down because they wanted ~vanilla scent~
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