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One more thought: One of the things I found legit interesting is that from a purely narrative perspective, Thanos is the protagonist of the story. He's the one that goes on the quest, defeating threshold guardians to gain the magic stones, who loses those that he cares most about, and, ultimately, in an act of sacrifice gains his wish and reaches some degree of salvation for his victory. However, cinematically, he is constantly framed as the villain, and how the way the camera frames him, his followers, and their actions (combined with our feelings for the Avengers and friends) the audience does not (or should not) sympathize with him. I mean, his motivation being terrible helps make the audience despise him, but I think that would be accomplished even if his goal was more sympathetic, due simply to the framing of his actions. So yeah, an uneven movie all in all, but with some interesting stuff going on, definitely a lot more interesting than a lot of Marvel movies. Edit: To contrast with Black Panther: Killmonger's goals were far more sympathetic, but the narrative placed him into the role of the villain, as the archetypal Usurper Who Breaks With Tradition. But the cinematography seems unwilling to paint him in as stark of terms, in part due to the bait and switch of Ulysses initially being presented as a larger villain. Killmonger is, therefore, more sympathetic to the audience thanks in large part to the cinematic framing, which paints him as a righteous avenger coming for what is his due, and a more direct mirror of T'challa than Thanos is to Stark. Meinberg fucked around with this message at 04:09 on May 2, 2018 |
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sebmojo posted:I liked that Dr Strange actually is his name. I think a similar joke was done in his movie as well with Kacellius? Edit: Yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewFg5wUvkGI
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Mads Mikkelsen doing a deadpan Who's On First bit with Strange's name is the single most memorable and worthwhile thing about his character in that movie.
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Serf posted:Now see this is interesting. It seems pretty well established at this point that space is full of incredible idiots. 
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CelticPredator posted:"He could destroy life on a scale hitherto undreamt of." My favourite was when Stark was talking to Spiderman after meeting Strange (paraphrased): Spiderman: What are we doing?? Iron Man: Helping a wizard protect his magic jewel
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It was a fun movie. The story was poo poo but the whole purpose of the story of comic book movies is to deliver awesome visuals imo, which this delivered on. Starks a poo poo character as usual but Benedict Cumberbatch was an amazing Dr. Strange and Thanos was a very punchy villain
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What was Strange doing when the team was pulling off Thanos's glove? Chilling to the side? That lends credence to the idea that he wanted Quill to attack Thanos.
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Caros posted:The adventures of captain America hunkering down in a cheap motel room for a couple of years aren't that important Hell, "Captain America, US Vagrant" is basically the Jack Reacher series.
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LinYutang posted:What was Strange doing when the team was pulling off Thanos's glove? Chilling to the side? That lends credence to the idea that he wanted Quill to attack Thanos. He was the first one to grab the gauntlet with his magic whips or whatever. Then he opened the portal for Mantis to jump on Thanos' head and...yeah, he just kinda stands to the side after that. He could have definitely opened up a portal beneath quill
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bring back old gbs posted:My favourite was when Stark was talking to Spiderman after meeting Strange (paraphrased): Not only that, but in fact every piece of dialogue where Tony or Peter used the word wizard RDJ/Cumberbatch had absolutely insane chemistry and now I just want them to try doing a Sherlock Holmes movie again, keep RDJ and Jude Law, and have Cumberbatch play the Aleister Crowley stand-in you morons Alternately, I would simply accept a Crowley biopic starring Cumberbatch, but I have a feeling Crowley would curse it from orbit.
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Pirate Jet posted:The problem is that things being "brought up" isn't good enough. Oh man, I really loved that joke.
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I like how many heroes in Marvel movies are just dudes with guns. Bucky Barnes: Dude with a metal arm and a gun. Falcon: Dude with wings, drones and guns. War Machine: Dude with a suit of armor and guns. Black Widow: Girl with electro batons and a gun. Star Lord: Dude with a jump pack and laser guns. Rocket: Rabbit dude with a gun.
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aBagorn posted:He wanted the Tesseract. Loki offered to get it for him. In exchange Loki wanted to take over Earth. Barry Convex posted:he also gave Loki the only stone he had for free in order to help him get another, losing both in the process Also Loki was pretty goddamn terrible at using the Mind Stone and kept loving up, failing to control Stark with it and losing control of Hawkeye and Dr Selvig way too easily. If Thanos had just walked in with it and wielded it properly he could have just made everyone agree with him and give him the tesseract immediately without any further loving around (which also applies to pretty much all the other infinity stones as well) and he probably could have also used it to just make everyone on all those other planets agree with his 50% genocide plan without having to invade them with armies but if he just turned them into mindless slaves he wouldn't get his big "gently caress you, I told you I was right" moment so I can see how his gigantic ego might have stopped him from taking the easy route. You could argue that the mind stone wasn't powerful to control an entire planet's population since the individual stones sometimes seem to have limited power and range but on the other hand Ronan was going to use one of them to inst-kill an entire planet of people so I guess it varies.
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AndyElusive posted:I like how many heroes in Marvel movies are just dudes with guns. When they killed Ego did Peter lose all his God powers? Is he meant to still be superhuman or is he just a dude with sweet tech?
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I'm going to say this one more time, but asking "why didn't the characters just do X" when the answer is "because emotions, you loving idiot" is an impulse I saw in film school a lot, and it was always from the insecure rear end in a top hat who needed to act like he was smarter than any filmmaker because he had clearly put more thought into it than the filmmakers did. No. You're just CinemaSins. And your analysis is base and you shouldn't watch movies because you will enjoy literally none of them because you're too busy being insecure and "proving" how much you know to everybody.
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cohsae posted:When they killed Ego did Peter lose all his God powers? Yes, Ego specifically told him that in GotG2.
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El Pipila posted:Oh man, I really loved that joke. It's a great joke. I like it even more now that it pissed off that guy so much
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AndyElusive posted:Rocket: Rabbit dude with a gun. I feel like Rocket's power isn't in the gun he is wielding, but in the fact that he is completely unhinged and literally willing to die at any moment as long as he goes out like a badass. He's like a mirror version of Longshot, who never gives a gently caress for the exact opposite reason - his power, as long as it's functioning, ensures he's always okay.
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McSpanky posted:Yes, Ego specifically told him that in GotG2. And that bullshit about inheriting that planet had to be a lie.
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LeJackal posted:I really like that Dr. Strange has leaned in hard on being overly theatrical and wizard-y. It would be my hope against hope that somehow Doc Hammer and Chris McCulloch got involved in the MCU just so it would be this giant magnifying reflecting mirror of Venture Bros. jokes, now being used on the own source of their inspiration. Also, whenever the Fantastic Four get introduced, have Reed on Stephen Colbert for add metahiliarity. edit: remember names from memory after not hearing them for years, I'm bound to get something wrong. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 06:18 on May 2, 2018 |
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LividLiquid posted:I'm going to say this one more time, but asking "why didn't the characters just do X" when the answer is "because emotions, you loving idiot" is an impulse I saw in film school a lot, and it was always from the insecure rear end in a top hat who needed to act like he was smarter than any filmmaker because he had clearly put more thought into it than the filmmakers did. Who are you even talking to?
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Young Freud posted:It would be my hope against hope that somehow Justin Hammer and Chris McCullough got involved in the MCU just so it would be this giant magnifying reflecting mirror of Venture Bros. jokes, now being used on the own source of their inspiration. I mean, if Taika Waititti can direct an MCU film, surely they're not too far underground.
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Young Freud posted:It would be my hope against hope that somehow Justin Hammer and Chris McCullough got involved in the MCU just so it would be this giant magnifying reflecting mirror of Venture Bros. jokes, now being used on the own source of their inspiration. Doc Hammer, you mean. Justin Hammer is already part of the MCU.
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precision posted:I mean, if Taika Waititti can direct an MCU film, surely they're not too far underground. I was just watching the extras on the Thor: Ragnarok Blu-Ray and every moment of Waititi directing while wearing the motion-cap gear is pure gold. Also Goldblum is 100% pure Goldblum. Would the Infinity stones even work on the Grandmaster? I suspect not, as he is larger than life.
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Jet Jaguar posted:I was just watching the extras on the Thor: Ragnarok Blu-Ray and every moment of Waititi directing while wearing the motion-cap gear is pure gold. He contradicted me. That's not a melting offence! Why did you give me the melting stick?
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precision posted:I feel like Rocket's power isn't in the gun he is wielding, but in the fact that he is completely unhinged and literally willing to die at any moment as long as he goes out like a badass. He's like a mirror version of Longshot, who never gives a gently caress for the exact opposite reason - his power, as long as it's functioning, ensures he's always okay. He also seems to be a genius capable of MacGuyvering space guns together at any moment, but that also helps. I hope he picks up Bucky's gun. And as I said, should be interesting that Rocket is now the last of the GotG, besides maybe Nebula. Just as well he gets along surprisingly well with Thor.
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Talking of Bucky, the entire theater was a chorus of "who is that guy" every time he was on screen. Nobody seemed to recognize Cap at first either. I didn't either at first and thought "Well I know that's not Hawkeye... is it??" lmao.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Who are you even talking to? Like, yeah, technically Doctor Strange could've portaled Thanos' arm off, but in a film that balanced the superpowers, motivations, and current emotions of like thirty-seven named characters into a near three-hour exercise, letting that ruin the movie for you just means you're watching movies the wrong way, and showing up here to crow about it doesn't mean you're a super genius for noticing one thing. It's the xylophone guy from the simpsons. Or, as I said, CinemaSins.
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Two quick general MCU questions: Were the Zerg things the same race as the Venom suit? They looked extremely similar. Is that why there's going to be a Venom movie? Are all the MCU movies until Avengers 4 going to take place in a universe where half the people are gone?
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precision posted:Two quick general MCU questions: Nah, Venom is intelligent and has stretchy tendril powers, these were just mindless chompy animals. precision posted:Are all the MCU movies until Avengers 4 going to take place in a universe where half the people are gone? Nope, they'll be set before Avengers: Infinity War.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Nope, they'll be set before Avengers: Infinity War. Oh holy poo poo, that's even more bold than this movie itself was.
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LividLiquid posted:I'm going to say this one more time, but asking "why didn't the characters just do X" when the answer is "because emotions, you loving idiot" is an impulse I saw in film school a lot, and it was always from the insecure rear end in a top hat who needed to act like he was smarter than any filmmaker because he had clearly put more thought into it than the filmmakers did. Your approach to emotion is weirdly apsychological, based on the pretence of hidden depths. So Thanos kills a bajillion people because he’s just so sad because of grief and you just wouldn’t understand. It’s that weird Star Trek false dichotomy. Sadness is not a good explanation for why Thanos teams with the ‘rape-torturing people with shards of glass’ dude. The truth is that both Thanos’s stupid plan and his feels are a flimsy excuse for his true goal of abusing people in the hopes of ‘toughening them up’, dividing the world between passive children who stay in their place and tough grownups willing to ‘make the hard choices’. The plan itself is nonsense except that he can force people to accept this nonsense as proof of their submission to him. Basic cult stuff. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 15:12 on May 15, 2018 |
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Maybe it was just me but it sounded like he was doing a really bad forced deep voice. Obviously just a dumb nitpick but it was honestly a bit distracting, for a second I thought it was going to be an extension of the Thor / Starlord joke, like he was trying to sound intimidating or something. His voice was digitally altered
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It sounded like his GoT voice but an octave lower.
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My problem with Thanos' plan is more a dramatic complaint rather than a moral or logical one. At the start of the film, his plan is to gather all the stones and kill 50% of all life. People describe this plan and Thanos himself as mad. ...and that's it. No more drama. Thanos explains why he thinks his madness is cool, but who gives a poo poo? There's no drama in "look at this nutter!". You have to gradually reveal the depths of his insanity, or really ramp up the horror the audience feels at the acts he commits in the name of the greater good, or make you doubt whether Thanos actually is wrong, but everything in this is so sterile, there's no impact, no drama. One option is to do it the way Frailty did it, where there is a crazy "God has given us visions of demons and we must kill them!" dude played by Bill Paxton who recruits his kids to help him murder people, story told by Matt McConaughey as one of the kids as an adult. But it doesn't just stop at them being mad, the ending Reveals that Paxton wasn't just insane. The people murdered really were terrible killers and child molesters, god was sending messages. The Lord even distorts security footage to protect his little helpers. The true horror is that there is a bloodthirsty deity out there who wants violent retribution after all. The madman was right. That is genuinely disturbing, but there is no way to make Thanos seem reasonable in this. His plan is poo poo and laughable, no subversion. So it's just, can our heroes stop the madman? Who gives a poo poo? The Joker could be just described as crazy in The Dark Knight, but psycho as he was, they gave him an understandable ideology that Batman had to fight, not just a physical obstacle. Thanos doesn't really challenge anyones beliefs, he is just a glorified punchman.
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El Pipila posted:Oh man, I really loved that joke. it's a funny joke but definitely one of the more egregious examples of the franchise not having much in the way of connective tissue. people rightly level that criticism at age of ultron but it persists throughout the series
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