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Alpha Phoenix posted:. To their credit, the worst models in Warmachine are still playable, and the faction balance is nearly perfect. I do feel like this can't really be stressed enough. Like it's not an absolutely perfect situation, but it's close enough that you can say this and no one will argue with you. Which is basically unheard of? Case in point, I often play with two units of high shields, which are widely regarded as the worst unit in the game, and it's still fun and close fought.
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To be fair if this subfactioning continues that means one day maybe Skorne will finally have the Cyclops theme that will reward me for owning 11 cyclops savages.
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Apr 30, 2018 23:04
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waah posted:To be fair if this subfactioning continues that means one day maybe Skorne will finally have the Cyclops theme that will reward me for owning 11 cyclops savages. You sort of already do. DoA can easily run 5-7 savages under Morghoul1 and have them tear stuff up.
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Apr 30, 2018 23:20
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waah posted:To be fair if this subfactioning continues that means one day maybe Skorne will finally have the Cyclops theme that will reward me for owning 11 cyclops savages. You sort of already do. DoA can easily run 5-7 savages under Morghoul1 and have them tear stuff up. With Primal + Abuse + Enrage you're looking at Pow 19s with a threat range of 13" and very often free charges. I had lots of good luck with them before I went all minions this year.
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Apr 30, 2018 23:36
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My favourite Warmachine story is the guy in late MK2 who took one of the worst units in Khador to a major tournament. Assault Kommandos were considered 'like WinterGuard but worse" because Kovnik Joe, the faction's best support solo, can't buff them. He brought them specifically because they were immune to corrosion, as he expected to face opponents with Bile Thralls which do a big AoE of corrosion damage. Then he ended up winning, and never even faced the bile thrall list that he tech'd for. He just won on the back of the "unplayable trash" Assault Kommandos.
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May 1, 2018 02:05
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Alpha Phoenix posted:My favourite Warmachine story is the guy in late MK2 who took one of the worst units in Khador to a major tournament. Assault Kommandos were considered 'like WinterGuard but worse" because Kovnik Joe, the faction's best support solo, can't buff them. He brought them specifically because they were immune to corrosion, as he expected to face opponents with Bile Thralls which do a big AoE of corrosion damage. Speaking of assault Kommandos, I hope one day they get removed from the Winterguard list and become their own theme with some new toys because kommandos are good and cool.
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May 1, 2018 02:31
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The only thing I dislike about themes is that for factions that aren't mercs (I am a merc player) that you are restricted to having 3 or 4 unit choices, which is crazy coming from irregulars in which you have approximately all of them. I guess I am just lucky irregulars exist and fits my mix-and-match taste.
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May 1, 2018 04:07
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Its really annoying to have certain support stuff locked into only one theme. Things like the artillery kapitan, greylord ternion, etc really should be in more than one
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May 1, 2018 04:13
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Jimmy Hats posted:Its really annoying to have certain support stuff locked into only one theme. Things like the artillery kapitan, greylord ternion, etc really should be in more than one gently caress, I just remembered when the krielstone was allowed in Band of Heroes, but didn't count towards free stuff. Man, that sucked. Glad they fixed it.
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May 1, 2018 04:25
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Jimmy Hats posted:Its really annoying to have certain support stuff locked into only one theme. Things like the artillery kapitan, greylord ternion, etc really should be in more than one Yeah, this is annoying, especially from a purchasing perspective.
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May 1, 2018 04:49
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S.J. posted:Dude I'm pretty sure those boxes were released before the vast majority of themes were released anyways. They were mostly mirroring the similarly priced all in one boxes from a year or two earlier. SirJoeKCB posted:It also predates themes as they exist now. My copy of the 3rd Ed. Forces book for Everblight includes themes and was first printed in 2016. The army box is from 2017 (see the link). It seems this army box never made sense. Alpha Phoenix posted:It's pretty inevitable in a 15 year old game. The model release bloat has to keep rolling to stay in business, but the more good models that exist, the more unpredictable combinations crop up. Factions have triple or more the number of options that they had in mk1, and since PP is dedicated to keeping new models balanced and interesting (or at least unique), they need to reign it in by creating a system where a Circle wold army is utterly unique from a beast spam Circle army, which is nearly unique from an infantry Circle army. To their credit, the worst models in Warmachine are still playable, and the faction balance is nearly perfect. Other games just let old models be bad and literally unplayable. !Klams posted:I do feel like this can't really be stressed enough. Like it's not an absolutely perfect situation, but it's close enough that you can say this and no one will argue with you. Which is basically unheard of? It's great to hear that once I have an army, the gameplay will be well balanced. On the other hand, 15 years worth of models split amongst subfactions is why boxed armies for new players are needed. But this army box does not fill that role and boy do I feel dumb for not cross checking the box against the codex (I bought them at the same time). albany academy posted:Or because not playing in theme is fine for casual play. I'm sure I'll get some use out of it for casual play. It seems like around here most people play in tournaments and Privateer Press expressly markets this for competitive play and tournaments: Privateer Press posted:Whether you're a new player of a seasoned veteran taking up a new Faction, this Army Box contains everything you need to quickly field a complete and competitive army suitable for every battlefield engagement - from casual games at home to organized leagues and tournaments. albany academy posted:Idk probably because it gives people incentive to buy for multiple themes rather than just one albany academy posted:Or it gives a solid starting point to branch off into themes... I assumed this was a one off turd that I stepped on, rather than a deliberate and mercenary effort. I've heard nothing but praise for Privateer Press from players, so I'll assume they let the intern put this box together and keep slogging. Jimmy Hats posted:Its probably because the sales side and the game side have no fuckin idea what the other one is doing This makes sense.
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May 1, 2018 04:58
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I'm aware that there were themes early on, I'm just saying they're a relic of earlier on in the edition when themes weren't quite split up as much (some stuff wasn't in themes at all) and many of the factions didn't have quite the same stable of models to begin with, depending on how they've made it through CID. Either way, depending on the faction, it can still be an excellent way to save some money on buying a variety of things and/or give you some extra stuff to sell/trade away. But they're definitely not up to date, so here's hoping they do a new version later this year some time.
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May 1, 2018 05:00
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Saalkin posted:Speaking of assault Kommandos, I hope one day they get removed from the Winterguard list and become their own theme with some new toys because kommandos are good and cool. I love Assault Kommandos so much, I love both Strakhovs and hope that one day they'll get something to support them besides Veteran Leader on Strakhov1. A theme for them would be boss, but I'd honestly settle for letting them count towards free points in the Winter Guard Kommand theme. Alternatively, bring back their flamethrowers exploding when they die so I can have a colossal two-handed throw them into infantry clusters.
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May 1, 2018 07:48
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May 1, 2018 08:05
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Well then, I guess the only option is to make AKs worth taking  Come on, they did it for Man-o-Wars. For real though I'm kinda proud of my AK paint job and wish they weren't a liability in the only theme I can take them. (I'm still gonna run them sometime this month)
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May 1, 2018 08:14
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!Klams posted:I do feel like this can't really be stressed enough. Like it's not an absolutely perfect situation, but it's close enough that you can say this and no one will argue with you. Which is basically unheard of? I am clearly doing something terribly wrong with my Long Gunners and Sword Knights.
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May 1, 2018 08:53
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Sword knights are actually good. Theyre in the wrong theme for sure though.
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May 1, 2018 13:08
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Yeah Sword Knights need to be expanded into their own theme. They've gotten a ton of work done for me in the past, I just can't ever find the space for them in a 'jack theme.
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I dunno maybe this??? I like the 5 damage dice charge from the feat... The sword knight UA seems really, really lovely. War Room Army Cygnar - New Army Theme: Heavy Metal 2 / 2 Free Cards 70 / 75 Army Lord General Coleman Stryker - WJ: +28 - Centurion - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Centurion - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) Lieutenant Allison Jakes - PC: 0 - Centurion - PC: 17 Journeyman Warcaster - PC: 0 - Centurion - PC: 17 Archduke Alain Runewood, Lord of Fharin - PC: 4 Sword Knights - Leader & 9 Grunts: 13 Sword Knights - Leader & 9 Grunts: 13 THEME: Heavy Metal --- GENERATED : 05/01/2018 12:17:31 BUILD ID : 2061.18-02-21 E: whoops i forgot rowdy exists
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Yeah, Stryker 2 and 3 are both good choices for them in that theme. Maybe Siege 1 or 2 also, depending. I just think they need to get expanded out into their own thing. But I also don't want to buy and clean up a second unit of them
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May 1, 2018 17:32
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Got an offer today that I couldn't refuse. Looks like I'm the proud owner of a fourth faction. I don't NEED a fourth faction! However, as it's Blindwater, I'll make an exception. Bought this lot, about half of it painted very nicely (rest unpainted): quote:Barnabas1 ... for 400 €. the only really glaring holes I can see are the lesser warlocks and Orin Midwinter... all of which I own (except for the snake). I've also got a unit of Croaks and Gators painted up, so I can sell one of each and still be able to play Maelok 4 Posse if I'm feeling saucy. Meanwhile I've started selling my unpainted Skorne. I loved the faction in mk2, but feel like the faction identity shifted enormously in the transition. My Xerxis1 Cataphract list is now extremely bad, i can't see a place for my Nihilators... meanwhile I'd have to invest tons of money to get Skorne to a decent state (double turtles, double cats, maybe the immortals list or multiple units of reivers)... plus painting Skorne is a bitch. I think I made the correct choice in benching that army and going for Minions instead.
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May 1, 2018 18:37
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Cant you use your nihilators and all those new minions together in disciples of agony?
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May 1, 2018 18:43
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He could. I mean skorne and minions go together like nobody's business.
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Zalabar posted:I am clearly doing something terribly wrong with my Long Gunners and Sword Knights. This is exactly my point illustrated really. You can say "scoff scoff X unit is trash tier!" But then someone will point out a way of using them that makes sense.
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Menoth cid is up. New caster is kinda neat but the rest of it is pretty unexciting, which is a shame!
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Jimmy Hats posted:Menoth cid is up. New caster is kinda neat but the rest of it is pretty unexciting, which is a shame! What, you're not hype about eKreoss getting +1 MAT or Knights Exemplar getting CMD 10!
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May 2, 2018 17:05
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WOAH I DIDNT SEE THAT MAT 8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think the new stuff is all rad, but they haven't changed much else. I can definitely see bastions used at that points cost though. Harbinger changes are nice  E: the Revelator got hella buffed though. ee: JUDY UGH S.J. fucked around with this message at 17:57 on May 2, 2018 |
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^ You mean Judy, and yea, that's a big buff. I only use Bastions with Tristan though, and I don't see taking a warjack outside of his battlegroup. Actually the shrine seems pretty good. Giving Menoth warjacks Pathfinder is kind of a big deal, and that's a decent gun. I don't know if it's worth the points cost though, and lol at it being huge based. But it might be more worthwhile as a pathfinder artillery piece than its intended resurrectionist role.
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Errants are now very competitive with Idrians as a skirmishing unit, which is great. There's also some very good shenanigans with the new soul taking dude and the jack marshal (Reckoner can get 5 pow 21 blessed WM swings. Or 4 if he has to charge). Also, Harby at CMD 12 is terrifying.
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Im just bitter that cyrenia's Battle Plans are exemplar only and whatshisface said thats not going to change. Thats how many new casters is a row with an ability pretty much specific to their theme?
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Loving all the rule changes, particularly desperate pace on Elias Gade. But, this is the structure sculpt Hungerford and Pagani were so excited about?  I guess I'm missing something, because it sure feels bland. I know from a narrative standpoint having the gun be "magic shooting out of a nondescript spot on the building" means there wouldn't need to be any actual cannon or turret. But, I feel like it leaves something to be desired on the model. Something like a balcony with priests praying over some kind of artifact or casket could break up this thing's look from being a giant $100+ brick with rivets. Nighttheii fucked around with this message at 17:55 on May 2, 2018 |
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Nighttheii posted:Loving all the rule changes, particularly desperate pace on Elias Gade. I kinda like that it's not exxxtreme or overdone with a million needless details. I think it's simplicity is elegant, and there's still a lot of good building detail. no doubt it's gonna be overpriced though. Edit: I just realized that they've made a Starcraft barracks, complete with spawning units out of it.
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May 2, 2018 17:58
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It needs to be surrounded by a vortex of righteous souls.
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Alpha Phoenix posted:I kinda like that it's not exxxtreme or overdone with a million needless details. I think it's simplicity is elegant, and there's still a lot of good building detail.  I've been out of it for a little while, but it's also really nice to see what Menoth architecture looks like in an official capacity.
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I can sort of see trenchers slapping together a blockhouse real quick but how the hell do you even get that thing out onto a battlefield
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Jimmy Hats posted:I can sort of see trenchers slapping together a blockhouse real quick but how the hell do you even get that thing out onto a battlefield Well first of all through god all things are possible so jot that down...
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May 2, 2018 18:08
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Alpha Phoenix posted:Well first of all through god all things are possible so jot that down... And second, big beefy dudes and robots
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May 2, 2018 18:09
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