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seiferguy posted:Unrelated but David Horsey is back in Seattle. He got a job with the Times. His first cartoon is, uh... interesting.
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seiferguy posted:Unrelated but David Horsey is back in Seattle. He got a job with the Times. His first cartoon is, uh... interesting. The dude talking is Bernie Madoff, right? That can't be accidental, right?
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BlueBlazer posted:Any company against this should really just gently caress off. This will cost the company I work for... .03% of our Seattle office's yearly revenue. It's like a rounding error.
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*PUNCH* posted:Loathe to link to Erica Barnett but things apparently got kinda crazy in Ballard last night. https://thecisforcrank.com/2018/05/03/tonight-in-ballard-two-hours-hate How many people were in the organized mob? Do they advertise where they will show up?
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BlueBlazer posted:Any company against this should really just gently caress off.
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FRINGE posted:How many people were in the organized mob? Do they advertise where they will show up? There were probably 100-150 people there that were vocal against the tax/Mike O'Brien/the homeless. Of those, only around 30 or 40 were being really aggressive. Many of them weren't even from North Seattle. One lady was from Bellevue, and another from Shoreline. There were a lot of people there in support of the tax and in support of helping homeless people. We just weren't screaming a bunch of crap. So while the mob was small, I don't think it is great to downplay it. I would describe the people there as reactionary. They very much would throw human rights out the window to get homeless people out of "their" neighbor hood and many of the same people were at the Milo event at UW a year and a half ago. I think it shows the polarization of society. We are seeing a ton of people join orgs like the DSA, but we are also seeing a lot of growth in the proud boys as well. The way the people at Ballard meeting organize is though stuff like Safe Seattle. Keep and eye out for them. You can also see the echo chamber of hate on Nextdoor. It is mostly just complaining, but if the economy takes a turn for the worse, they would absolutly support violence against homeless people.
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DevNull I disagree with some of your politics, but god drat do I appreciate your level of activism and participation. It is evident that you are passionate about your beliefs but also that you put thought into your stances. You show up to the meetings and pay attention, and then are able to relay to others what actually transpired instead of us having to try and discern that from a sensationalist news article. It's refreshing.
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DevNull posted:There were probably 100-150 people there that were vocal against the tax/Mike O'Brien/the homeless. Of those, only around 30 or 40 were being really aggressive. Many of them weren't even from North Seattle. One lady was from Bellevue, and another from Shoreline. yeah, now that you say that, I'm honestly a little worried that any economic downturn, which will absolutely be attributed to the head tax, will result in some exceptionally nasty responses.
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Which is why we need to attack the heart of anti government and regulation ideology as well.
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RuanGacho posted:Which is why we need to attack the heart of anti government and regulation ideology as well. boomers? with an axe?
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RuanGacho posted:Which is why we need to attack the heart of anti government and regulation ideology as well.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:yeah, now that you say that, I'm honestly a little worried that any economic downturn, which will absolutely be attributed to the head tax, will result in some exceptionally nasty responses. If not the head tax, they would blame the minimum wage. Or immigrants. Or literally anything other than capitalism. Capitalists will always blame someone else. We can't let that stop us from taking the fight to them. That is part of the point of this head tax. It is great that we can help the homeless with the money from the tax, but we must also use it to show that capitalism is fundamentally the problem and the only way to do that is to challenge the capitalists. That is why we are using the slogan "Tax Amazon" on our materials. Just this morning I saw an ad from a DC think tank attacking the head tax. Capitalists across the US are watching this fight. On the other hand, even Bernie Sanders called Amazon's reaction extortion. Winning this fight against capitalism will have implications across the nation.
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RuanGacho posted:Which is why we need to attack the heart of anti government and regulation ideology as well. I wonder if the homeowners calling for rounding people up have put together that there are more renters living in this city than homeowners? Just saying. Cicero posted:The bit about only affecting the top 10% highest-grossing businesses sounds like bullshit populism. If it's such a light tax just apply it to all businesses. It wouldn't pass. Because the state legislature is such a poo poo show, we have to take what we can get.
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Cicero posted:The bit about only affecting the top 10% highest-grossing businesses sounds like bullshit populism. If it's such a light tax just apply it to all businesses. Equality isn't fairness, flat taxes are loving stupid and the reason progressive taxes make sense is because a dollar isn't just a dollar. A dollar in the coffers of a company making billions in revenue has less utility than a dollar in a company that makes a million. Basically it's better for the economy and society to tax the highest earners more than the lowest earners, basic poo poo man.
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ElCondemn posted:Equality isn't fairness, flat taxes are loving stupid and the reason progressive taxes make sense is because a dollar isn't just a dollar. A dollar in the coffers of a company making billions in revenue has less utility than a dollar in a company that makes a million. Basically it's better for the economy and society to tax the highest earners more than the lowest earners, basic poo poo man. edit: also isn't a flat tax per hour worked that doesn't depend on an employee's wage arguably regressive? Cicero fucked around with this message at 09:11 on May 5, 2018 |
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Cicero posted:Uh no, that makes sense for individuals but falls apart when you look at businesses. Why tax a regional grocer with a hundred stores, and not a boutique hedge fund, just because the former has bigger total revenues? quote:edit: also isn't a flat tax per hour worked that doesn't depend on an employee's wage arguably regressive?
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Cicero posted:Uh no, that makes sense for individuals but falls apart when you look at businesses. Why tax a regional grocer with a hundred stores, and not a boutique hedge fund, just because the former has bigger total revenues? Up until 20 million the tax is zero percent for businesses. Sounds progressive to me!
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Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/cmkshama/status/994064661006901248 I felt like I had some mental wiggle room on the head tax, like, I could be talked out of supporting it with the right case, or a different, progressive tax. The moment Amazon pulled their bullshit, it immediately became imperative that that head tax pass, because Bezos needs to learn that he does not, in fact, run Barter Town.
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The city should be thankful Amazon saved it from being Detroit 2.0 Boeing edition. Forty five years ago Boeing laid off 70k people and the cities poplation shrank until 1989. Only the 90s tech boom which birthed Amazon and which lead to the eventual massive private investments into the city saved it from decay. (BTW the NIMBY scum who were raised/relocated here in the 70s/80s think this time period when houses cost 50k, there was no traffic and parking was free, is thier ideal period of the cities history) The resulting growth from private investment (commerical development, people buying houses) in the city has resulted in an exponential growth of taxes for the city government to waste in new and even more absurd ways. Did you forget we just passed the low income housing levy which we doubled from the previous amount? Are we not passing HALA/MHA upzones which will produce even more units of low income housing as part of every development in the city? The city has effectively ignore the solutions outlined in the Poppe report which shows the city has sufficient funds to house all of the homeless people in the city. Doing so would require disrupting the social service idustrial complex which has hundreds of providers duplicating services and with no accountability or outcome based payments. The city council refuses to pay the political price to solve the problem either through massive upzones to the city producing thousands of new low income units per year. And/or by reforming absurd waste of resources spent by the human services department. We need low barrier 24 hour shelters and "Housing First" low/now income units. Democracy is the problem, gently caress the rich white racist liberal NIMBYs. If you think giving the city another 75 million a year will solve the problem, then you are the problem. Advocating for the status quo makes you guilty of all the suffering which it produces.
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KingFisher posted:disrupting the social service idustrial complex which Youre a weird person.
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FRINGE posted:Youre a weird person. Have a read: https://roominate.com/blog/2016/anatomy-of-a-swindle/
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Alternatively, taxes are too low.
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KingFisher posted:The city should be thankful Amazon saved it from being Detroit 2.0 Boeing edition. Forty five years ago Boeing laid off 70k people and the cities poplation shrank until 1989. Only the 90s tech boom which birthed Amazon and which lead to the eventual massive private investments into the city saved it from decay. (BTW the NIMBY scum who were raised/relocated here in the 70s/80s think this time period when houses cost 50k, there was no traffic and parking was free, is thier ideal period of the cities history) On its face this is a weird and rambly post but I'm going to interpret it as blaming the city for allowing NIMBYs and developers and big companies like Amazon to dictate the terms of our homeless response to our detriment and will agree with you on that. I think realistically throwing more money at the problem is about the best we can do because even if you get some real gently caress you NIMBY/developers/big business legislation passed it will get rolled back immediately by the next group. Fort Lawton is probably going to be held up forever. RuanGacho posted:Alternatively, taxes are too low. 
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quote:If you think giving the city another 75 million a year will solve the problem, then you are the problem. Advocating for the status quo makes you guilty of all the suffering which it produces. Ok, so you’re arguing that we should not provide more funding to solve the problem, but that advocating the status quo is bad too. So we should be arguing for an entirely different solution while maintaining the status quo? I don’t see how that’s any different than doing nothing, actually it’s worse than doing nothing because you’re actively arguing against people trying to solve the problem.
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https://twitter.com/PortlandDSA/status/994234912524795904 You all should read this article, it's all about the Portland DSA and why we're great
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Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/PortlandDSA/status/994234912524795904 also their follow-up tweet clarifies an important distinction https://twitter.com/PortlandDSA/status/994235832050401280 anthonypants fucked around with this message at 18:12 on May 9, 2018 |
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anthonypants posted:also their follow-up tweet clarifies an important distinction https://twitter.com/PortlandDSA/status/994235832050401280 This is something that had been addressed internally with co-drafted statements by BVWU, IWW, and PDX DSA ready to go upon publication. Everyone seems to be on the same page that it's great coverage for everyone involved 
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cheetah7071 posted:I can't say I'd really mind redividing Washington and Oregon east/west instead of north/south. Make Cascadia and uh I dunno what to name the eastern one "Malheur" seems an appropriate name.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:"Malheur" seems an appropriate name. "North Mississippi."
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cheetah7071 posted:I can't say I'd really mind redividing Washington and Oregon east/west instead of north/south. Make Cascadia and uh I dunno what to name the eastern one The border between blue oregon and red oregon would be closer to  than east/west. And blue oregon would still be mostly red by surface area.
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Javid posted:The border between blue oregon and red oregon would be closer to Would Ashland be an independent city-state in such an arrangement?
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Ardennes posted:Would Ashland be an independent city-state in such an arrangement? The Medfordites would slaughter the Ashlanders, and due to the strategic alliance between Ashland and Jacksonville the entire region would descend into war. There wil be a column of total destruction along I5 between Weed and Roseburg. In the end only Merlin, Shady Cove, and White City will be left. Shady Cove and Merlin will be spared due to being isolated. White City because the residents will spend the entire war at the drag strip, oblivious to the destruction around them.
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