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Einbauschrank
Nov 5, 2009

icantfindaname posted:

Why is the SPD finance minister man doing the balanced budget fetish thing? I thought the SPD was the left of center party here?

https://amp.ft.com/content/bbd9bf52-4ef2-11e8-9471-a083af05aea7?__twitter_impression=true

Is Scholz from the right wing of the SPD or does everyone in it think like him? This has got to be some structural feature of German political economy that cuts across the regular left right divide, but why? They’re clearly not Keynesians in any meaningful sense

What was the SPD’s policy like before Agenda 2010? What was the SPD government in the 70s like? Did they have the balanced budget fetish back then too?

Money is pouring into the Staatssäckel at a rate that even a left centrist can't piss it away fast enough to create a deficit.

In the 70ies the SPD was all for deficit spending until stagflation happened. In the early 80ies more reasonable heads finally prevailed and left the coalition to form a fiscally responsible government. Much Keynesian butthurt ensued. On quiet days, when no other Sau is being getreibt though the village, you can still hear the soft whining.

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niethan
Nov 22, 2005

Don't be scared, homie!
So Campino is getting a Bundesverdienstkreuz for his recent work against Antisemitism.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

niethan posted:

So Campino is getting a Bundesverdienstkreuz for his recent work against Antisemitism.

Well deserved for contributing the music to this event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSAdjUS71kQ

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Cingulate posted:

I'm still genuinely curious how it'd look like if for once you couldn't just die Hände über dem Kopf zusammenschlagen und den anderen als Rassisten bezeichnen, sondern dich ernsthaft mit einem Argument, wie es präsentiert wurde, außeinandersetzen müßtest. Would coherent arguments be articulated? Would genuine knowledge be produced? Or would it magically cause the AfD to gain 23% of votes in the next election if you were to not just cry wolf, but post like an adult?
This isn't just meant as a sick burn, I'm genuinely curious.

fyi, you don't get to kramer into a discussion accusing me of perpetuating noble savage crap based on a willful misreading of what i said and then turn around and play the adult, mister "from a certain set of premises the holocaust was completely justified"

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

cebrail posted:

I wasn't incapable, I just didn't want to continue the discussion after you and a few other people reacted to my semantic point about anti-colonialism with a moral defence of colonialism.

Strawman and is/ought fallacy in the same post, how very efficient of you.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

icantfindaname posted:

I thought the SPD was the left of center party here?
Legitimately puzzled where you'd get that idea.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

icantfindaname posted:

Is Scholz from the right wing of the SPD or does everyone in it think like him? This has got to be some structural feature of German political economy that cuts across the regular left right divide, but why? They’re clearly not Keynesians in any meaningful sense
Balancing the budget is not merely a policy option that can be used or not as circumstances require. Balancing the budget is a goal in and of itself which, if achieved, makes Germany great again.

az
Dec 2, 2005

^^^^the same people who believe in dieting by starvation schwarze null are a perfect venn diagram circle with people who bitch and moan when butter gets expensive (eagerly anticipating the next EU budget with heavy cuts to farmer subsidies and the ensuing price hikes)

My Lovely Horse posted:

Legitimately puzzled where you'd get that idea.

The modern SPD is an elaborate hoax that can only be attributed to the long skeletal hand of Bismarck working from the grave. If any unsuspecting Bürger tries to vote social democratic at a Wahl they will be swiftly kicked in the groin by a boot on a stick and then have an inedible Rhabarberkuchen slammed in their face.

az fucked around with this message at 08:24 on May 7, 2018

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

az posted:

The modern SPD is an elaborate hoax that can only be attributed to the long skeletal hand of Bismarck working from the grave. If any unsuspecting Bürger tries to vote social democratic at a Wahl they will be swiftly kicked in the groin by a boot on a stick and then have an inedible Rhabarberkuchen slammed in their face.

OK I'll vote Südwest-CDU instead, then I'll get Saumagen in the face.

az
Dec 2, 2005

suck my woke dick posted:

OK I'll vote Südwest-CDU instead, then I'll get Saumagen in the face.

Made me check that Helmut is, still, dead as hell.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
If you look up "Schwarze Null" on Wikipedia it actually comes with a disclaimer telling you that this is a budgeting entry and that Alexander Dobrindt's page is over that way.

az
Dec 2, 2005

imo I think schwarze null is quite racist if you think about it

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Randler posted:

If you look up "Schwarze Null" on Wikipedia it actually comes with a disclaimer telling you that this is a budgeting entry and that Alexander Dobrindt's page is over that way.

harsh but true~


az posted:

imo I think schwarze null is quite racist if you think about it

i didn't know doofrindt is secretly black though???

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

Randler posted:

If you look up "Schwarze Null" on Wikipedia it actually comes with a disclaimer telling you that this is a budgeting entry and that Alexander Dobrindt's page is over that way.

lmao

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


It's so depressing how abschiebegeil the discourse is atm. I probably need to adjust the selection of papers I read but so many Aufmacher and Leitartikel are about this. Abschieben abschieben we need to abschieb and then abschieb some more this is very important. That's the best we can come up with in terms of interacting with sad and desperate people.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

aphid_licker posted:

It's so depressing how abschiebegeil the discourse is atm. I probably need to adjust the selection of papers I read but so many Aufmacher and Leitartikel are about this. Abschieben abschieben we need to abschieb and then abschieb some more this is very important. That's the best we can come up with in terms of interacting with sad and desperate people.

Do you believe that our current laws are to restrictive with regards to asylum claims?

How do you want to handle people who are legally obliged to leave Germany and are not doing it voluntarily?

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

do you have like a script or something that alerts you to posts where you can swoop in and fire off a few quick socratic method questions

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

GaussianCopula posted:

Do you believe that our current laws are to restrictive with regards to asylum claims?

How do you want to handle people who are legally obliged to leave Germany and are not doing it voluntarily?

give em
a) hell
b) aufenthaltstitel
c) a free plane ride to 4000m altitude at 36.5N 17.6E, a parachute umbrella and a flotation device

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
Du siehst das zu fachlich. Als ob Presse, Politiker und der Grossteil der Poster den Unterschied zwischen ausweisen und abschieben erklären könnten.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

GaussianCopula posted:

Do you believe that our current laws are to restrictive with regards to asylum claims?

How do you want to handle people who are legally obliged to leave Germany and are not doing it voluntarily?
The question is if this is truly the troubling issue of our times. Technological unemployment, energy independence (ha!) and Russia, climate change, Brexit, the future of the eurozone, the long-term viability of our Rentensystem, the fissure in our society revealed by double-digit AfD votes and the challenge of integrating 1 million new Germans, - is it really that important of an issue that a few people are not leaving the country as fast as they could?

botany posted:

fyi, you don't get to kramer into a discussion accusing me of perpetuating noble savage crap
Well, that's what you did.

Cingulate fucked around with this message at 10:20 on May 7, 2018

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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suck my woke dick posted:

c) a free plane ride to 4000m altitude at 36.5N 17.6E, a parachute umbrella and a flotation device

PEGIDA UNEMPLOYEDS' BATTLEGROUNDS

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Cingulate posted:

The question is if this is truly the troubling issue of our times. Technological unemployment, energy independence (ha!) and Russia, climate change, Brexit, the future of the eurozone, the long-term viability of our Rentensystem, the fissure in our society revealed by double-digit AfD votes and the challenge of integrating 1 million new Germans, - is it really that important of an issue that a few people are not leaving the country as fast as they could?

Well, that's what you did.

it's not, and gently caress you

Randler posted:

PEGIDA UNEMPLOYEDS' BATTLEGROUNDS

lmao

Dommolus Magnus
Feb 27, 2013

cebrail posted:

I wasn't incapable, I just didn't want to continue the discussion after you and a few other people reacted to my semantic point about anti-colonialism with a moral defence of colonialism. There's no point in discussing that just so you can paint your racism with a philosophical brush. And the cherry on top, when I asked for examples, the first answer was "well the Jews are pretty bad". I'd rather talk about noodles with sugar than read your posts about how a little genocide here or there is unavoidable.

Oh, wonderful! "The early zionists weren't so opposed to imperialist tactics when it was their turn to be on top" now equates to "well the Jews are pretty bad". You really are one disingenious dude. Please, gently caress off and never come back. Thank you!

Dommolus Magnus fucked around with this message at 14:35 on May 7, 2018

Einbauschrank
Nov 5, 2009

cebrail posted:

Then go read the argument again, I "actually engaged" your points until you started your weird colonialism defence. Or, if you want me to "actually engage" something else, start an argument that isn't racist as gently caress. The last time we got into an argument you were defending Stephen Bannon for two pages, this is starting to look like a pattern.

If it is any consolation, colonial history is the new Godwin.

Happens to the best.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/10/09/pro-colonialism-article-has-been-withdrawn-over-threats-journal-editor

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

Einbauschrank posted:

If it is any consolation, colonial history is the new Godwin.

Oh don't worry, I sat through my share of global history seminars in university, I think I've heard every possible form of half-assed colonialism apologia.

Infected
Oct 17, 2012

Salt Incarnate


Randler posted:

If you look up "Schwarze Null" on Wikipedia it actually comes with a disclaimer telling you that this is a budgeting entry and that Alexander Dobrindt's page is over that way.

Actually Dobrindt is a "hellblaue Null" since he's from the CSU. The name you were looking for is Jens Spahn.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Cingulate posted:

Also what is wrong with people who eat herzige Eierkuchen/Pfannkuchen/Crepes

They know what's up. :colbert:
If you're ever in Bremen go and visit the Pannekoekschip which is moored at the Schlachte and be enlightened. Herzhafte Eierkuchen are great.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

botany posted:

it's not, and gently caress you
Haha, ok, you did not. That was just mean and disingenuous of me, and not conductive to good discussion. I apologise.


Dommolus Magnus posted:

Oh, wonderful! "The early zionists weren't so opposed to imperialist tactics when it was their turn to be on top" now equates to "well the Jews are pretty bad". You really are one disingenious dude. Please, gently caress off and never come back. Thank you!
Right? And "many people did it" somehow becomes "it is ok to do it".

Half-assed suggestion: what's going on here is, to these people, the aim of the debate is not to prove the other side wrong, but to prove they're Secret Nazis.


And, much more prominently, Nial Ferguson has long argued not only that being colonised by the Brits was actually a net boon for the victims, but that thus, the Brits should revive the practice.

sheep-dodger posted:

They know what's up. :colbert:
If you're ever in Bremen go and visit the Pannekoekschip which is moored at the Schlachte and be enlightened. Herzhafte Eierkuchen are great.
I actually believe they're ok. They're just not as good as sweet ones. But I do have a terrible taste in food

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

Infected posted:

Actually Dobrindt is a "hellblaue Null" since he's from the CSU. The name you were looking for is Jens Spahn.

Tell that to Wikipedia. I was not making a joke, the Dobrindt redirect is real.

Infected
Oct 17, 2012

Salt Incarnate


Randler posted:

Tell that to Wikipedia. I was not making a joke, the Dobrindt redirect is real.

That is hilarious, eventhough it's still wrong.

Bonfire Lit
Jul 9, 2008

If you're one of the sinners who caused this please unfriend me now.

Randler posted:

Tell that to Wikipedia. I was not making a joke, the Dobrindt redirect is real.

It just got changed so I guess we know GC's IP now

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

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:eyepop:

I guess my cache isn't refreshed yet

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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Simply Simon posted:


I guess my cache isn't refreshed yet

Easy way to see if your cache is outdated: Go to Sonntagsfrage.de and check if the SPD is above 20 percent.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Someone should check the Bundeswehr for Veruntreuung, because for €40bn/year they should have some Ausrüstungsgegenstände at least

http://augengeradeaus.net/2018/05/bundeswehr-sammelt-fuer-nato-speerspitze-gib-deine-winterkleidung-einem-kameraden/

quote:

Aufgrund der derzeitigen unbefriedigenden Bestandssituation bei einigen Bekleidungs- und Ausrüstungsgegenständen kann folgender Artikel nicht an die übenden Soldatinnen/Soldaten für „TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018 – Zertifizierungsübung für NRF/VJTF ausgegeben werden:
Artikel: Kopf- und Gesichtsschutz, ASD 00530
Oben genannte Übung hat für die Bundeswehr eine außerordentliche Bedeutung und höchste Priorität. Ziel seitens BMVg/FüSK I ist es, alle teilnehmenden Soldatinnen und Soldaten für den Wintereinsatz in Norwegen „sollgerecht“ auszustatten.
Hierzu hat die Projektleitung Bekleidung des BAAINBw E3.4 Soldatinnen und Soldaten … identifiziert, die nicht für die Übung TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018 vorgesehen sind und daher den vorhandenen Ausrüstungsgegenstand Kopf- und Gesichtsschutz an die jeweilige Servicestation (SVS) zurückgeben müssen.

They're literally forced to steal people's hats

From the comments:

quote:

Nanana… ist die chronische Unterausstattung mit Winterbekleidung nicht im Widerspruch zum neuen Traditionserlass?

ich meine mich erinnern zu können das ein derartiges Fehl Charakteristikum einer ganz und gar nicht traditionswürdigen Truppe war.

:lol:

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

aphid_licker posted:

Someone should check the Bundeswehr for Veruntreuung, because for €40bn/year they should have some Ausrüstungsgegenstände at least

They have this https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZPAni75bkLnjGO8yhuJpdw

GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 18:01 on May 7, 2018

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Nothing? That's quite apt.

The Bundeswehrbeschaffung was a farce 2004-2006 when I did my time, and it's a farce today. The problem is also still the same: The brain-dead civilian bureaucrats choking the system. At this point the Bundeswehr could achieve at least 200% Effizienzsteigerung if they did this stuff alone, without the "help" of their civilian support.

Libluini fucked around with this message at 18:07 on May 7, 2018

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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Bonfire Lit posted:

It just got changed so I guess we know GC's IP now

Ich habe da mal nachrecherchiert und es scheint sich um einen Lutheraner aus Hessen mit Verbindungen zum grünen Milieu zu handeln. Praktischerweise ist der schon Blutspender. :ese:

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

aphid_licker posted:

Someone should check the Bundeswehr for Veruntreuung, because for €40bn/year they should have some Ausrüstungsgegenstände at least

I find it honestly interesting that the German public, even though there's a relatively wide-spread anti-militarism and anti-military sentiment (compared to other Western countries), never seems to take offence at military spending. The Elbphilharmonie cost 900 million and people were raging for years. That's like 4 Eurofighters in Bundeswehr money.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

aphid_licker posted:

Aldi Süd has frozen Knoblauch fertig gehackt, really useful. Hate peeling the loving Zehen einzeln.

Just take the ungepellte Zehe, crush it with the flat of a knife, then peel with one Handgriff.

Leben.

Kopulierend.

Gehackt.

Randler posted:

PEGIDA UNEMPLOYEDS' BATTLEGROUNDS

Holy poo poo, thread title

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Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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cebrail posted:

I find it honestly interesting that the German public, even though there's a relatively wide-spread anti-militarism and anti-military sentiment (compared to other Western countries), never seems to take offence at military spending. The Elbphilharmonie cost 900 million and people were raging for years. That's like 4 Eurofighters in Bundeswehr money.

Military spending doesn't make for good headlines so most people probably assume we barely spend anything on our military and do not produce any weapons at all expect that one-time we tried exporting Leopard IIs.

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