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Coasterphreak posted:Sauerkraut is pickled cabbage in salt and brine, and was a traditional way of keeping food shelf-stable over long periods of time for thousands of years in Europe. The pickling solution kills the bacteria, the refrigeration is probably just to preserve flavor and texture. Yeah but do you really trust a company that built, shared, and defended that “refrigerator” not to gently caress up the canning process in some way?
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It's an ugly lovely refrigerator, but at the same time I find it difficult to see a really lovely low cost solution. I mean, it's obvious after hearing what an HVAC pro has to say about it, but as a DIYer, I might do something that stupid. . . I mean, at one point, I wanted to build a "mini fridge" that would hold just one or two beer cans using some foam insulation boards and a couple peltier coolers, I wanted something small enough to sit on top of my desk. In the end and the fact my wife got me a mini fridge for my birthday prevented me from ever doing it. And once I researched and got to the planning stage I probably would have realized it was going to be a stupid idea, but it never had a chance to get that far. My own ambitions of a lovely beverage cooler for my own private use are a whole different level than trying to DIY a commercial fridge, but the owner did claim that their size and budget wasn't enough to justify the cost of a real commercial HVAC install. I'm willing to guess the guy probably spent a thousand on that ghetto fridge, and a pro install would probably have been several thousand dollars. . . But I do think that the "insulated door" is well below even amateur DIY standards, he should have used either a solid door or a hollow door filled with expanding foam (yes I know this might explode).
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Platystemon posted:Yeah but do you really trust a company that built, shared, and defended that “refrigerator” not to gently caress up the canning process in some way? To be fair, they didn’t share the refrigerator, it was posted by a professional HVAC/R tech that took the pictures. If they are selling their product retail in a commercial storefront, they are presumably subject to health code compliance. Canning for retail sale requires a shitton of HAACP and usually involves a written variance from the local health department since it’s low-oxygen packaging, so yeah, their operation is probably okay if they’ve been in business any length of time.
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# ? May 7, 2018 23:42 |
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So searching for the CoolBot thing they used, leads to Amazon. It’s great for mortuaries apparently https://www.amazon.com/CoolBot-Cooler-Controller-window-conditioner/dp/B003VSLTAI
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Coasterphreak posted:To be fair, they didn’t share the refrigerator, it was posted by a professional HVAC/R tech that took the pictures. If they are selling their product retail in a commercial storefront, they are presumably subject to health code compliance. Canning for retail sale requires a shitton of HAACP and usually involves a written variance from the local health department since it’s low-oxygen packaging, so yeah, their operation is probably okay if they’ve been in business any length of time. No, the owner was the one who proudly showed off his creation there Crotch Fruit posted:It's an ugly lovely refrigerator, but at the same time I find it difficult to see a really lovely low cost solution. I mean, it's obvious after hearing what an HVAC pro has to say about it, but as a DIYer, I might do something that stupid. . . I mean, at one point, I wanted to build a "mini fridge" that would hold just one or two beer cans using some foam insulation boards and a couple peltier coolers, I wanted something small enough to sit on top of my desk. In the end and the fact my wife got me a mini fridge for my birthday prevented me from ever doing it. And once I researched and got to the planning stage I probably would have realized it was going to be a stupid idea, but it never had a chance to get that far. My own ambitions of a lovely beverage cooler for my own private use are a whole different level than trying to DIY a commercial fridge, but the owner did claim that their size and budget wasn't enough to justify the cost of a real commercial HVAC install. I'm willing to guess the guy probably spent a thousand on that ghetto fridge, and a pro install would probably have been several thousand dollars. . . But I do think that the "insulated door" is well below even amateur DIY standards, he should have used either a solid door or a hollow door filled with expanding foam (yes I know this might explode). If he wants to have a serious food business, he should be prepared to budget for the proper equipment for the job. He should have either bought another commercial reach in, used or otherwise, and continued to budget for a small, properly assembled walk in.
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MarxCarl posted:So searching for the CoolBot thing they used, leads to Amazon. It’s great for mortuaries apparently Farm to table to grave
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“We understand that new technology can be very threatening to some people” is the biggest load of horseshit I’ve seen since the third photo (depicting their product).
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I'm doing something similarly unwise to a window air conditioner, but not nearly as unwise as that (just getting it 2 degrees below its lowest set point, not... like fifteen.) Using window units and CoolBots is a great way for small-scale farmers to get a lot of fridge space (a friend of mine does this for his cut-flower farm), but yeah, the trick is you have to build the room properly, and also consult the CoolBot AC unit sizing guidelines which basically say "not this lol"
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Coasterphreak posted:Sauerkraut is pickled cabbage in salt and brine, and was a traditional way of keeping food shelf-stable over long periods of time for thousands of years in Europe. The pickling solution kills the bacteria, the refrigeration is probably just to preserve flavor and texture. Salt and brine are sorta the same thing though, did you mean vinegar and salt?
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His Divine Shadow posted:Salt and brine are sorta the same thing though, did you mean vinegar and salt? Traditional fermented sauerkraut isn't made with vinegar. It's just cabbage, saltwater, and spices. The salty anaerobic environment is bad for most bacteria, but good for a few that make lactic acid. The lactic acid is what gives it the sour taste, and the salt and acid inhibit the growth of botulism and all the bacteria and fungi that normally make cabbage rot.
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ExplodingSims posted:So a "small business owner" went and built himself a custom walk-in fridge for his stuff. The health inspector is going to climb up his rear end with a flashlight the moment he sees that. There's a reason walk-ins are so expensive, and it's reliable cooling. There's no way that thing maintains 40 degrees even if repeatedly accessed, and if he's half-assing basic food safety like this what else is he cutting corners on? Hell, I bet those boxes are sitting on the floor of that 'walk-in' and not even on so much as a pallet to let air circulate at floor level. ExplodingSims posted:There's a big difference between product temp and space temp. Basic health standards are as thus: Food must cool from 135f to 75f within two hours, and to below 41f within 4 more, and must be maintained at an internal temp below 41f. An air temp in the 30's without circulation isn't going to do that for the stuff in the middle of that big pile of boxes. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 06:54 on May 8, 2018 |
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CoolBot seems pretty dope tbh, and making your own walk-in cooler is insanely useful, especially for a setup that isn't dealing with unpackaged food. There is nothing magical about the compressors in regular walk-ins that makes they instantly cool whatever you put in them, regardless of how things are stacked and how long the door is open for! The other downsides with this are probably just energy efficiency, lifespan of the AC and durability of the whole thing (not to mention the half-disassembled AC unit sticking out of the wall). That guy was just using it to store boxes of sauerkraut, right? It's fine lol. Since it's a finished product in boxes, you don't need to worry about making everything out of easily-sanitizable stainless steel (since that poo poo could be stored in a refrigerated warehouse, or refrigerated trailer). His build looks lovely as hell and is probably extremely inefficient, but without seeing the specs I have no idea if that AC unit is insufficient for the volume
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Liquid Communism posted:
1. This doesn't apply to sauerkraut you dingus. It starts at room temperature. 2. There is a reason why food is stored on racks in walk ins, but cases of beer are stacked 3. This has nothing to do with the walk-in he made. He'd be storing that the same way in a professional one
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# ? May 8, 2018 09:39 |
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I am upset by this.
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# ? May 8, 2018 10:18 |
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Half your house is a traditional farmhouse and the other half is a McMansion I want to see interior pics. I especially want to see the transition point from one style to the other.
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I really, really hope that the interior wall in the McMansion side is just the unaltered exterior wall of the old house.
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# ? May 8, 2018 13:33 |
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I wish I had pictures of my aunt's house. She didn't plan to retire to the farmhouse, but her brother had an accident and couldn't find renovating work, so she decided that she'd keep him employed by renovating the place. It started off as just fixing up the kitchen, and then a few rooms, but then she added a huuuuuge addition on the back (she kept the original kitchen and servant stairs, but added a full floor and a loft overseeing it, and had Mennonites built an octagonal post-and-peg sitting room on the back. The whole thing ties in exceptionally well somehow.
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# ? May 8, 2018 13:46 |
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It's like when an amoeba starts to consume another single-cell organism.
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# ? May 8, 2018 14:13 |
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"OK Google; what would it look like if grover had a lot more money to deal with"
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# ? May 8, 2018 14:26 |
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Aww, I really like that old style of house. The controlled rust (?) roof, the church windows, etc.
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# ? May 8, 2018 14:36 |
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It looks like the house grew another house as a tumor.
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# ? May 8, 2018 15:04 |
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The Real Estate Centipede, beginning stages.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:"OK Google; what would it look like if grover had a lot more money to deal with" GroverMcMansion
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# ? May 8, 2018 15:30 |
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It looks like the wife and husband has their own sides of house.
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Aww, I really like that old style of house. The controlled rust (?) roof, the church windows, etc. Are we sure that -isn't- a church? That entryway screams 'small town Methodist Church' to me. Maybe they had someone who runs a contracting company donate extra McMansion materials for an addition.
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Liquid Communism posted:Are we sure that -isn't- a church? That entryway screams 'small town Methodist Church' to me. Maybe they had someone who runs a contracting company donate extra McMansion materials for an addition. Yeah, I don't kow about that, I don't see too many lower case "T"s anywhere around there. I think the T stands for tits maybe. Ok, ok, I've been following this thread for a while now and see numerous references to the Grover house. I seem to recall that many years ago, Grover was a mod, assuming the same Grover, and not just some random Grover named dude who also posted at SA. So what was the deal with the Grover house? Was it crappy construction? Questionable Aesthetics? A combination of crappy construction and questionable aesthetics? Like say a guy wanting to pimp out his bathroom for and cutting the tops off his engineered joists for his sunken infinity gravel (gravel and grover are only two different letters) surrounded bathtub? What happened to Grover the mod? Did he resign as a result of his crappy construction, or because there was an impostor Grover that made a lovely construction thing?
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# ? May 8, 2018 21:04 |
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Google for groverhaus and you'll find what remains of the story. It's ancient history now; as best I can tell it was basically someone suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect deciding to build a mcmansion. In a swamp.
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# ? May 8, 2018 21:15 |
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We maintain a repository of forums lore for just this purpose
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# ? May 8, 2018 21:16 |
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The pictures are gone, but response at the end appears to suggest he ended up doing a great job?
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# ? May 8, 2018 21:35 |
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If I remember correctly, he mentioned "load bearing drywall" and if anything, the really stupid as hell stairs would tell me right off the bat that it was not a great job. The stupid stairs had a window right at the landing the stairs were largely pointing to so anyone who tripped and fell down would fly right out the window. Also the stairs were indoors but coated in layers of insulation for reasons. Gotta keep the stairs warm! I can't find a picture right now but I'm sure someone will.
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# ? May 8, 2018 21:46 |
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He also melted a bunch of siding with his BBQ and the living room thermostat was directly in the shining sun of the afore-mentioned defenstration window. But iirc the thing that upset goons the most was that he insinuated that he was getting his own engineering license or whatever so he could pass his own permits.
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# ? May 8, 2018 21:49 |
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Also he melted the siding of his house.
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# ? May 8, 2018 21:50 |
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Yeah the main thing was that he hosed up his electrical and a bunch of other very serious safety issues and an inspector came and said it was poo poo and bad. So he did some dubiously legal maneuver to become a registered inspector and inspected him self and gave him self a pass.
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# ? May 8, 2018 21:57 |
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It's been archived on twitter: https://twitter.com/3liza/status/891475977183739905
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah the main thing was that he hosed up his electrical and a bunch of other very serious safety issues and an inspector came and said it was poo poo and bad. So he did some dubiously legal maneuver to become a registered inspector and inspected him self and gave him self a pass. This, plus the shed with a pipe coming out the window, immortalized in the emoticon: The whole thing was a spectacular shitshow, and he got really belligerent about it. He'd been known up to that point for posting a lot in military related threads making it sound like he'd served when he was really a contractor. Also he made this hilarious post where he predicted the war in Iraq would be over in weeks and we'd be out of the country shortly after. It got quoted at him any time he prognosticated about pretty much anything, but especially geopolitics. Which he did a lot. Point is: dude was a weenie. And a mod. So people in LF made fun of him a lot. Somebody figured out where he lived, so even after he started nuking his posts and pictures people were still posting their own pics. Because they were driving by his house and taking pictures. This thread was half of what got LF deleted. The other half was a thread about an article about guys who got arrested for posting online about killing the president, which quickly devolded into posting elaborate fiction and Doctor Seuss parody about the same. Lowtax got an in-person visit by humorless men in suits. The whole thing was surreal.
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Yikes. I definitely wouldn't have guessed it was that much of a shitshow by the comments on the last page of the archived thread.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7zPiTHjzVI
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