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aaaah. The rare Soviet submission pike square.
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May 11, 2018 17:43
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Lake Effect posted:aaaah. The rare Soviet submission pike square. Nah they're standing too close together
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May 11, 2018 17:47
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https://twitter.com/TxHistComm/status/994929816326627331 Wikipedia says he was in the Army. I thought South Pacific was all Marines and Navy, what did the army do in that theater?
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May 11, 2018 17:59
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/TxHistComm/status/994929816326627331 Invade islands. The Marines did not do nearly as much as they and pop culture would have you believe. The Army was very, very active in the Pacific.
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May 11, 2018 18:05
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I assume he was in a segregated unit, did all-black units see fighting or just support (He was a Technician Fifth Grade)
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May 11, 2018 18:16
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zoux posted:I assume he was in a segregated unit, did all-black units see fighting or just support (He was a Technician Fifth Grade) They absolutely saw fighting, and lots of it. All-black Army units featured prominently in Japanese propaganda to terrify Japanese civilians, that they were trained war gorillas the Americans taught to use guns and were rewarded by being the first in line to rape Japanese women.
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May 11, 2018 18:18
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My grandfather was captured by black US troops, he used to joke that it happened at night and he couldn't see them coming. (Racist humor from a Luftwaffe veteran?!?!)
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May 11, 2018 18:25
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Cythereal posted:They absolutely saw fighting, and lots of it. All-black Army units featured prominently in Japanese propaganda to terrify Japanese civilians, that they were trained war gorillas the Americans taught to use guns and were rewarded by being the first in line to rape Japanese women. My great aunt was terrified of black people until the day she died for that exact reason.
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May 11, 2018 18:34
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P-Mack posted:My grandfather was captured by black US troops, he used to joke that it happened at night and he couldn't see them coming. (Racist humor from a Luftwaffe veteran?!?!) Clean Luftwaffe Myth destroyed
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May 11, 2018 18:35
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Tias posted:So I know I promised an effortpost on British antifascism, but it's probably not going to happen, because it's really not something I know a lot about, and i couldn't scrounge the litterature I needed That was a cool post, thanks! Would there be any interest in a similar effortpost detailing the history of right-wing extremism in Germany and Austria? This is something I’m interested in and yet know too little about, and writing up stuff is always a great incentive to learn new things 
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May 11, 2018 19:01
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zoux posted:Wikipedia says he was in the Army. I thought South Pacific was all Marines and Navy, what did the army do in that theater? Pop history strikes again! The USMC had about 6 active divisions in the Pacific theatre, the US army had about 20ish out of the 90ish they raised for WW2 active in the pacific theatre. Plus the army could also be trained for naval landings, (Hint: the largest naval landing in WW2 D-day did not have any Marine units landing). The army was almost present in every single battle in the Pacific Theatre. Also while I'm on this subject without a US army Regimental combat team fighting and holding off a Chinese attack near the east side of the Chosin Resovoir the entire 1st Marine division could have been cutoff and surrounded before they could have retreated.
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May 11, 2018 19:04
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System Metternich posted:That was a cool post, thanks! Very interested. I've followed the shenanigans of Austrian, Swiss and German nazis hopping borders to beef each others numbers a little, but I know next to nothing about them.
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May 11, 2018 19:14
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So why do Marines get to overshadow everyone?
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May 11, 2018 19:16
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JcDent posted:So why do Marines get to overshadow everyone? Because OO-RAH! Marines are loud and have been heavily glamourized over the Army throughout the 20th century, bringing with it disproportionate political power. They do basically nothing the Army doesn't anymore, and haven't since about the 19th century. Also, name an American military procurement fuckup in the last fifty years and odds are good the Marines are partially responsible. Case in point: the F35 debacle.
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May 11, 2018 19:19
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JcDent posted:So why do Marines get to overshadow everyone? The Marine Corps is the Navy’s police force, and as long as I am president, that is what it will remain. They have a propaganda machine that is almost equal to Stalin’s. - HST
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May 11, 2018 19:20
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zoux posted:The Marine Corps is the Navy’s police force, and as long as I am president, that is what it will remain. They have a propaganda machine that is almost equal to Stalin’s. - Former US Army Colonel HST Fixed
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May 11, 2018 19:52
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Cythereal posted:They absolutely saw fighting, and lots of it. All-black Army units featured prominently in Japanese propaganda to terrify Japanese civilians, that they were trained war gorillas the Americans taught to use guns and were rewarded by being the first in line to rape Japanese women. I've heard that black soldiers actually ended up being noticeably better behaved than white ones in the subsequent occupation.
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May 11, 2018 20:00
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P-Mack posted:I've heard that black soldiers actually ended up being noticeably better behaved than white ones in the subsequent occupation. with how they were treated back home, they knew they had to be better than white troops. they had something to prove. same thing happened in the civil war.
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May 11, 2018 20:03
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Mycroft Holmes posted:with how they were treated back home, they knew they had to be better than white troops. they had something to prove. same thing happened in the civil war. And with the Japanese-American unit in WW2, for that matter.
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May 11, 2018 20:11
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Ex-Colonel and POTUS Hunter S Thompson would have been something
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May 11, 2018 20:16
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P-Mack posted:I've heard that black soldiers actually ended up being noticeably better behaved than white ones in the subsequent occupation. My favorite is always the white American soldiers in England freaking the gently caress out because the black soldiers were treated relatively equally by the locals.
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May 11, 2018 20:23
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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aphid_licker posted:Ex-Colonel and POTUS Hunter S Thompson would have been something Fear and Loathing in Washington, D.C.
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May 11, 2018 20:25
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PittTheElder posted:My favorite is always the white American soldiers in England freaking the gently caress out because the black soldiers were treated relatively equally by the locals. A substantial number of black soldiers chose to stay in Europe, after both WW1 and WW2, after how much better they were treated in England and France than they were back home.
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May 11, 2018 20:32
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PittTheElder posted:My favorite is always the white American soldiers in England freaking the gently caress out because the black soldiers were treated relatively equally by the locals. My dad was an MP in the early 60s and was making the rounds one night with a white guy from Alabama. They came across a black officer heading out on a date with a white woman. My dad just checks that everyones passes or whatever are in order, salutes, and then notices his partner is nowhere to be seen. He eventually finds the guy around the corner behind some bushes practically throwing up.
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May 11, 2018 20:32
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Do modern military units still carry battle flags into a fight?
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May 11, 2018 20:33
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Cythereal posted:Because OO-RAH! The Marines did a lot of mythmaking to save themselves from being a casualty of the Post-ww2 drawdown.
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May 11, 2018 20:49
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Cythereal posted:They absolutely saw fighting, and lots of it. All-black Army units featured prominently in Japanese propaganda to terrify Japanese civilians, that they were trained war gorillas the Americans taught to use guns and were rewarded by being the first in line to rape Japanese women. Why are you using racist propaganda as evidence of african americans fighting in wwii? The majority of segregated units in the Pacific were support units, and the combat formations were assigned (deliberately) to garrison captured/recaptured islands. The group that saw the most combat was probably aa gunners across army and navy, the group that saw the intense combat were the marines support units assigned to the invasion force
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May 11, 2018 20:56
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Why are you using racist propaganda as evidence of african americans fighting in wwii? I'm not using racist propaganda as evidence. For actual evidence, take a read of The Fleet at Flood Tide by James D. Hornfischer. Who, for example, cites two companies of African-American army troops as being vital to the invasion of Saipan when those "support units" were among the first units to land on the Yellow beach landing sites and were critical in keeping the Japanese from overrunning the beachhead (p. 139-140).
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May 11, 2018 21:01
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Tomn posted:Do modern military units still carry battle flags into a fight? Not really in modern times though a certain dickhead terrorist militia in Syria loving loves it's banners. The last time the British Army had standards flying in the field was during the 2nd Anglo-Afghan War. Then Maiwand happened. After that loss the standards would remain off the battlefield and only fly for ceremonial reasons.
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May 11, 2018 21:09
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/TxHistComm/status/994929816326627331 Is he the guy from that image macro where he's got his old Thompson and it's like "tfw Nazis are marching in the streets but you still have your tommy gun from 1944?" E: 
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May 11, 2018 21:32
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PittTheElder posted:My favorite is always the white American soldiers in England freaking the gently caress out because the black soldiers were treated relatively equally by the locals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltVtnCzg9xw&t=1525s Important enough to warrant a mention in a training film, for how to behave in Britain.
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May 11, 2018 21:41
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System Metternich posted:Everybody knows that the Bavarian "verspuit" is best anyway Nee du
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May 11, 2018 21:42
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Probably the most effective translation in English would be squadron or troop. I think contemporaneously it would be called a banner.
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May 11, 2018 21:45
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Although this is late I feel the need to point out that reenactors are just a particularly stuck up subset of larpers.
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May 11, 2018 21:48
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SeanBeansShako posted:Not really in modern times though a certain dickhead terrorist militia in Syria loving loves it's banners.
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May 11, 2018 21:50
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Yeah a lot of groups in war torn Syria have gotten old school with political or religious banners.
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May 11, 2018 21:51
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It is amazing just how much southern soldiers freaked out when they were stationed in places that didn't treat African Americans like human garbage.
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May 11, 2018 21:51
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change a few details and this is 19th century, in fact half of those flags look 19th century with swastikas added
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