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The idea that there can be an easy or creative solution doesn't fit the worldview being presented in this game. That's why the magikarp gets stolen. They want you to feel like the game is constant suffering and that success is an horrible endless grind because that's what life is, maaaaaan.
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Child, you are not ready for a goldfish who will one day be strong enough to dare disobey your command to splash impotently.
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May 13, 2018 16:33
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Commander Keene posted:These are the kind of people we're dealing with here. Gyarados is good, therefore you can't have him. Also you can't have anything that allows you to "trivialize" encounters or use anything but the One True Intended Solution to anything. Did Archael make this?
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May 13, 2018 16:45
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Commander Keene posted:IIRC, Monster Rancher also had monsters die of old age, but they left a stat-booster for other monsters when they did. Azza Bamboo posted:The idea that there can be an easy or creative solution doesn't fit the worldview being presented in this game. That's why the magikarp gets stolen. They want you to feel like the game is constant suffering and that success is an horrible endless grind because that's what life is, maaaaaan. As far as the type of people who develop & are fans of Reborn are concerned, Real Gamer Difficulty means dying over and over and over again because the game balance is poo poo.
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May 13, 2018 16:52
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I vote for breaking this game as hard as humanly possible.
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May 13, 2018 17:13
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Siegkrow posted:I vote for breaking this game as hard as humanly possible. That's going to be a difficult thing to define when you can basically edit every single thing in the game.
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May 13, 2018 17:21
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Onmi posted:No see the issue is gyarados got dragon rage so it could deal solid 40 damage a turn. And that made a lot of dipshit fights doable but not in the way they intended The only two fights I know where it'd be a real humdinger only worked that way because Gyarados got Dragon Range at level 23 in XYORAS. It moved to 36 in S&M and with that Dragon Rage becomes totally irrelevant. EDIT: This game uses S&M level up lists, yes. 
Orange Fluffy Sheep fucked around with this message at 17:25 on May 13, 2018 |
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May 13, 2018 17:22
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Azza Bamboo posted:The idea that there can be an easy or creative solution doesn't fit the worldview being presented in this game. That's why the magikarp gets stolen. They want you to feel like the game is constant suffering and that success is an horrible endless grind because that's what life is, maaaaaan. This is Edgy Teenager 101 but I still think you're putting more thought into it than they did. The Magikarp gets stolen because the devs throw a tantrum any time you try to do anything that would "break" their precious game.
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May 13, 2018 17:23
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TheMcD posted:That's going to be a difficult thing to define when you can basically edit every single thing in the game. I vote for replacing every trainer's team with a Level 1 Azurill, because gently caress this game. Seriously.
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May 13, 2018 17:29
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As development continues, every update will, among bug fixes, added content and balanci-ahaha yeah right-, also remove a choice from the starter pokemons. One by one they'll take them away until only one pokeball remains in that giant room, the one containing... (uhh, I actually don't know that much about pokemon so I don't know what would be the most hilarious choice here)
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May 13, 2018 17:30
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Zanzibar Ham posted:As development continues, every update will, among bug fixes, added content and balanci-ahaha yeah right-, also remove a choice from the starter pokemons. One by one they'll take them away until only one pokeball remains in that giant room, the one containing... Chikorita, probably.
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May 13, 2018 17:39
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Zanzibar Ham posted:As development continues, every update will, among bug fixes, added content and balanci-ahaha yeah right-, also remove a choice from the starter pokemons. One by one they'll take them away until only one pokeball remains in that giant room, the one containing... Luvdisc, maybe.
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May 13, 2018 17:39
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What's funny is that when I was 7 and playing my Blue for the first time, I was a loving idiot and super careful not to let any of my pokemon get too high level because after beating Brock it was all "Pokemon up to level 20 will obey you now!" and I thought it applied to all pokemon. I was up to I think Blaine before I became friends with another kid who played it and he was all "Are you stupid? That's just for trades so you can't break the game with high levels early on. If it were for all pokemon, the game wouldn't be fun to play at all." tl;dr - congrats to Reborn for having a worse understanding of design philosophy than a second-grader.
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May 13, 2018 17:45
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Zanzibar Ham posted:As development continues, every update will, among bug fixes, added content and balanci-ahaha yeah right-, also remove a choice from the starter pokemons. One by one they'll take them away until only one pokeball remains in that giant room, the one containing... Sydin posted:What's funny is that when I was 7 and playing my Blue for the first time, I was a loving idiot and super careful not to let any of my pokemon get too high level because after beating Brock it was all "Pokemon up to level 20 will obey you now!" and I thought it applied to all pokemon. I was up to I think Blaine before I became friends with another kid who played it and he was all "Are you stupid? That's just for trades so you can't break the game with high levels early on. If it were for all pokemon, the game wouldn't be fun to play at all."
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May 13, 2018 17:55
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The only two fights I know where it'd be a real humdinger only worked that way because Gyarados got Dragon Range at level 23 in XYORAS. It moved to 36 in S&M and with that Dragon Rage becomes totally irrelevant. Gyarados was removed before sumo existed. Oh! And for anyone curious they block trading for certain mons including magikarp. It's client based and easy to crack but they really don't like you going outside their box Onmi fucked around with this message at 18:06 on May 13, 2018 |
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May 13, 2018 17:56
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Onmi posted:Gyarados was removed before sumo existed That's what I mean, the problem went and solved itself but they still won't let me have a loving Gyarados. Also, they can change it however they want. It's their game.  It doesn't need to be exactly like the official games, because in those we don't have prostitutes as a common trainer class.
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May 13, 2018 18:08
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:That's what I mean, the problem went and solved itself but they still won't let me have a loving Gyarados. Yes but gyarados is still too strong and what are you a baby? Do you need a Landorous-t to feel safe? Also that espurr used to be ralts also changed due to too gud
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May 13, 2018 18:12
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Commander Keene posted:IIRC, Seedot has the lowest base stat total in the game? I'm not super sure on that one, because I also don't know that much about Pokemon. God I'm a nerd - High-Grades are actually among the easiest kits to build and the most common - The instructions are very picture-heavy and easy to follow regardless of language - You technically could build a kit with a pair of scissors, it'd be a little finicky but you could do it
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May 13, 2018 18:33
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This looks as if Matrix Games wanted to make a Pokemon game, only even more incompetent.
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May 13, 2018 18:33
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So is that Pokemon Omicron as bad as this? I know pokemon Prism has a few issues (loving POWER RANGERS WITH THEIR SINGING POKEMOK, loving DARK CAVE WITH PITS) but it looked pretty nice for a GBC romhack.
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May 13, 2018 18:34
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Siegkrow posted:So is that Pokemon Omicron as bad as this? AS bad no. But it involves the evil team blowing up your home town oh and ash shows up as a grunt for the evil team despondent and depressed due to his failures. So still bad
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May 13, 2018 18:44
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Siegkrow posted:Yo are there any good GBA romhacks? Or any romhacks that introduce the phys/special split? Gaia feels like a slightly phoned-in sequel that was made on a small budget on the same engine. Not bad, just more of the same. And as has been said, for a Pokemon romhack, that's a loving achievement. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 19:02 on May 13, 2018 |
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May 13, 2018 19:00
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Commander Keene posted:IIRC, Seedot has the lowest base stat total in the game? I'm not super sure on that one, because I also don't know that much about Pokemon. It's actually Wishiwashi, with a BST of 175, closely followed by Sunkern, with a BST of 180. Seedot isn't too far off, though, since it only has a BST of 220.
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May 13, 2018 19:02
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Commander Keene posted:IIRC, Seedot has the lowest base stat total in the game? I'm not super sure on that one, because I also don't know that much about Pokemon. That dubious "honor" actually goes to Wishiwashi in its Solo Form, with a whopping 175 total! However, because this form is only used when its at half HP and it otherwise has good stats, the next best thing would be Sunkern, with a whopping 180! edit: beaten to it
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May 13, 2018 19:12
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Sydin posted:What's funny is that when I was 7 and playing my Blue for the first time, I was a loving idiot and super careful not to let any of my pokemon get too high level because after beating Brock it was all "Pokemon up to level 20 will obey you now!" and I thought it applied to all pokemon. I was up to I think Blaine before I became friends with another kid who played it and he was all "Are you stupid? That's just for trades so you can't break the game with high levels early on. If it were for all pokemon, the game wouldn't be fun to play at all." It does apply to Pokemon you get from trades with other people in-game, though, which can be a bit of a pain if you wanted those on your team.
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May 13, 2018 19:30
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Adamant posted:It does apply to Pokemon you get from trades with other people in-game, though, which can be a bit of a pain if you wanted those on your team.
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May 13, 2018 21:18
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Dux is the ultimate in Duck-based Grass Cutting Technology. Accept no substitutes.
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May 13, 2018 22:06
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Solumin posted:This is Edgy Teenager 101 but I still think you're putting more thought into it than they did. Gyarados would leave them screaming "it's not fair" before they tromp up the stairs and slam their door. By getting rid of magikarp they invite the edgy intended audience to feel that way. It's a game by the edge and for the edge.
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May 13, 2018 22:20
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Its just treating the matter of being mugged with the utmost respect.
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May 13, 2018 22:25
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StrixNebulosa posted:God I'm a nerd That's because Bandai's engineers are good at what they do. Unlike the team behind this game. Heck, some kits are designed to be easy builds with nothing but your hands and the material in the box. For a proper comparison, you want the kind of model kit that needs glue and paint.
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May 13, 2018 22:28
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So is this basically blood on the sand but with a fish instead of a skull?
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May 13, 2018 22:29
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See the thing is I'd be down for Pokemon Subsistence but apparently according to the devs people were still too good at that so the selection was nerfed further. You actually get an incredible amount of junk pokemon, like I didn't even remember there were so many across all games. Their complaints puzzle me though. Your players kicked rear end with a party of Ratatas, Sentrets, Sunkerns, Hoppips and so on. If they are having fun and beating the challenges with those limits you did your job.
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May 13, 2018 22:38
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SSNeoman posted:See the thing is I'd be down for Pokemon Subsistence but apparently according to the devs people were still too good at that so the selection was nerfed further. You actually get an incredible amount of junk pokemon, like I didn't even remember there were so many across all games. They weren't having the right kind of fun, though.
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May 13, 2018 22:52
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Siegkrow posted:So is that Pokemon Omicron as bad as this? The best Romhacks I've played are Omicron and Insurgence. Both obviously have their problems (especially with tone. Insurgence is far worse for this than Omicron) but I'm not exactly looking for professional quality and have a nigh-insatiable hunger for pokemon. Sage will probably beat both easily when it releases. (That having been said; I love a lot of Insurgence's delta pokemon. I just wish so many of them weren't postgame only. Makes randomizers fun though). SSNeoman posted:See the thing is I'd be down for Pokemon Subsistence but apparently according to the devs people were still too good at that so the selection was nerfed further. You actually get an incredible amount of junk pokemon, like I didn't even remember there were so many across all games. A seemingly universal rule of fangame designers is 'make it harder.' Because you don't usually make a fan game unless you've spent so much time with the source material that you've mastered it and it feels boring to you. And most people don't seek out fangames unless they've spent so much time with the source material that they've mastered it and it feels boring to them. This rule doubles down in pokemon because pokemon games are not terribly hard. Because here's the thing. I like the idea of finding pokemon like an easter egg hunt of sorts in an urban environment. I like the idea of a pokemon game taking place largely IN an urban environment. I even like the idea of a pokemon metropolis feeling run down and a little sinister (This isn't unprecedented. Look at XD/Colosseum or Po Town) But not when it's being designed by people who played Pokemon: Edge Rising and didn't get the joke. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 23:12 on May 13, 2018 |
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May 13, 2018 23:04
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Siegkrow posted:So is that Pokemon Omicron as bad as this? I've been playing Pokemon Prism lately too and got to that part with the dark cave. What a load of BS that was, you even needed a shinx if you wanted to light that part of the cave!
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May 13, 2018 23:13
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Pixeltendo posted:I've been playing Pokemon Prism lately too and got to that part with the dark cave. What a load of BS that was, you even needed a shinx if you wanted to light that part of the cave! Did you fight the power rangers yet? The loving singing, I swear they upped the hit chance of that bullshit. I dunno if there are any, but try getting a whismur or an early birb pokemon or a ton of awakenings.
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ChrisBTY posted:A seemingly universal rule of fangame designers is 'make it harder.' Because you don't usually make a fan game unless you've spent so much time with the source material that you've mastered it and it feels boring to you. And most people don't seek out fangames unless they've spent so much time with the source material that they've mastered it and it feels boring to them. This rule doubles down in pokemon because pokemon games are not terribly hard. Moreover, the Pokemon AI doesn't lend itself to being legitimately hard. Most of the skill in competitive Pokemon is prediction: "What does my opponent have, what will s/he probably do, and how can I get one step ahead of that?" Nobody is going to try and program a Pokemon fangame that actually does this. Which means the only practical ways to make the game feel more 'advanced' are by building the AI a strong team, restricting the player's ability to do likewise, or both. Uranium was actually kind of interesting in this regard, because it at least had the occasional boss Pokemon that was interesting (instead of just big). There was a Pokemon that had Contrary and spammed Overheat, yeah? That was hard because it used standard mechanics to build a combo that was worth more than the sum of its parts. And maybe it wasn't tuned right, but at least it was goddamn interesting. Of course, that 'mon was set right next to Mega Inflagetah, which takes the more usual and much worse approach. Sorites fucked around with this message at 00:34 on May 14, 2018 |
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On that note, the double battle in vanilla Emerald where one trainer swaps abilities with their partner's slaking was very difficult in just the way you describe
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cheetah7071 posted:On that note, the double battle in vanilla Emerald where one trainer swaps abilities with their partner's slaking was very difficult in just the way you describe I was just thinking of that one. Most of the Trials in Ultra Sun/Moon are good too, because they break down so cleanly into a main hitter and a support 'mon. You get some really neat stuff in there. Part of me hopes that Reborn throwing Double Battles at you a lot means there'll be interesting combos in the mix. Double Battles have so much more potential for combo play, and less of a focus on "what is the biggest Pokemon that hasn't gotten banned yet, Just Use That One." Then again, it's Reborn. Maybe I shouldn't use the word 'hope'. Sorites fucked around with this message at 00:39 on May 14, 2018 |
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IIRC Insurgence's community was even worse than Reborn's in that the developers would actively try to shut down any forums or IRCs (including their own official ones) that had any discussion around trying to break its 'intended' difficulty curves which usually involved excessive grinding. I fainly recall one actually somewhat decent fangame that got recommended to me by another pokegoon, but its first impressions were broken fonts and screen tearing (in a RPGmaker pokemon fangame, yes  ) Can't remember the name now though.The fact that the game lets you see IVs makes me think that the game expects you to reset for a perfect 6x31 spread for future gyms to even be possible to beat. I am scared. Also I am reading the image URLs 
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