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Healbot posted:It is doping and has been used in the past for doping purposes. Really? Do you have examples? I'm not being smart, I'm genuinely interested. Is it used to mask other stuff or does it have a benefit? I always thought it was closer to this: quote:Cocaine: ‘not only stupid, but pointless’ Drugwise founder Harry Shapiro suggests that cocaine would have offered no performance enhancement to athletes. “Cocaine is a stimulant – it revs you up, makes you more alert, appears to give you more energy, but it is very short-lived. “If you were just about to walk on a Premier League pitch and you snorted a line in the dressing room, after about a quarter of an hour it is going to wear off. “If a line of coke lasted four hours then there might be some advantage from a purely performance point of view, but it is so short-lived that I can’t see there would be any competitive advantage. “Not only is it stupid, it is also pointless.” https://inews.co.uk/sport/recreational-drugs-sport-doping/ Which would make it akin to really strong energy drinks.
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In the article it says he took it as part of a tea to prevent altitude sickness, which I guess would be performance enhancing if they were playing at one of those really high altitude south american grounds?
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May 14, 2018 21:05
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Caffeine is legal and I cant imagine coke is that much better as a performance enhancer
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May 14, 2018 21:09
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Jose posted:Caffeine is legal and I cant imagine coke is that much better as a performance enhancer I was wondering this Why aren’t you a mod anymoee
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May 14, 2018 21:11
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Cocaine makes you loads better at everything, including football
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May 14, 2018 21:11
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Do footballers smash a load of caffeine pills before a game???
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Bape Culture posted:I was wondering this I got banned because benitez didn't walk
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Bape Culture posted:Do footballers smash a load of caffeine pills before a game??? Jamie Vardy slams down Red Bulls
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May 14, 2018 21:13
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Jamie Vardy famously drinks like 15 red bulls and a coffee before a game
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Jose posted:I got banned because benitez didn't walk Lol peanut- posted:Jamie Vardy slams down Red Bulls Knew I could rely on big vardy lmao
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Bogan Krkic posted:In the article it says he took it as part of a tea to prevent altitude sickness, which I guess would be performance enhancing if they were playing at one of those really high altitude south american grounds? Again, technically that may be the case, but I don't think that is what the rules are in place for. Bape Culture posted:Knew I could rely on big vardy lmao quote:So three Red Bulls, a double espresso and a cheese and ham omelette is what makes me run around like a nutjob on matchday. I really don't see the difference.
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Bogan Krkic posted:Jamie Vardy famously drinks like 15 red bulls and a coffee before a game I wonder if he puts skittles in the Red Bull
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:I wonder if he puts skittles in the Red Bull I bet he puts skittles in the big powerade bottle full of port he drinks before bed every night
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Mickolution posted:Really? Do you have examples? I'm not being smart, I'm genuinely interested. Is it used to mask other stuff or does it have a benefit? Didn't Maradona get popped for this when he scored that one goal and then freaked out like a goddamn roided out nut?
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Mickolution posted:Really? Do you have examples? I'm not being smart, I'm genuinely interested. Is it used to mask other stuff or does it have a benefit? The Tour de France was and is extremely big on doping, you'd have people hopped up on cocaine, heroin, strychnin and other stuff way back in the 1920's to 40's (The Pellisier brothers were really open about consuming everything under the sun to get an edge).
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Soulex posted:Didn't Maradona get popped for this when he scored that one goal and then freaked out like a goddamn roided out nut? I think that was some sort of banned cough syrup that masks other stuff, no? Healbot posted:The Tour de France was and is extremely big on doping, you'd have people hopped up on cocaine, heroin, strychnin and other stuff way back in the 1920's to 40's (The Pellisier brothers were really open about consuming everything under the sun to get an edge). Heroin? Really? Other than pain killing, what possible benefit could that have? I understand wanting any edge, but football is different to cycling anyway, where the doping was for endurance, no? Also, when I think of cycling and doping, it's not coke I'm thinking of. I don't think Armstrong was winning Tour de France races with a gram of coke. If you were regularly re-dosing you could maybe get an edge, but the effects would be minimal. Mickolution fucked around with this message at 21:41 on May 14, 2018 |
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Bogan Krkic posted:In the article it says he took it as part of a tea to prevent altitude sickness, which I guess would be performance enhancing if they were playing at one of those really high altitude south american grounds? is that like a traditional thing from the Andes, since its Peru and all Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 21:45 on May 14, 2018 |
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Gents, this is coca tea we're talking about. Not processed cocaine. Get it right!
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Mickolution posted:Heroin? Really? Other than pain killing, what possible benefit could that have? It's both to increase stamina because heroin and cocaine were not researched enough back then and to dull the pain, same as biking under the influence.
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Bogan Krkic posted:Cocaine makes you loads better at everything, including football It makes you smart and interesting and everyone wants to know you when you go to parties.
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gently caress wrong thread
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Mickolution posted:Technically it might be, but it's not doping, which is what these rules are in place to stop. PEDs = doping
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coca tea sounds pretty awesome tbf
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Kurtofan posted:coca tea sounds pretty awesome tbf Agreed
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The lovely thing about this isn't the ban, which he has already served, for what is at worst a recreational drug. Although that is a different argument to be had. In this case, the lovely thing is, the bloke has served his ban, and they are deliberately extending it just to gently caress him out of a World Cup. The first World Cup his country has qualified for in the players lifetime. And the reasoning they are giving for extending the ban is "well, even if he wasn't fully at fault, he was ever so slightly to blame. So we are giving him extra punishment on top of what we have already done." All of which is unreasonably harsh and lovely for the lad.
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BrigadierSensible posted:The lovely thing about this isn't the ban, which he has already served, for what is at worst a recreational drug. Although that is a different argument to be had. While I agree with this, drugs are bad and if you can't do the time then don't do the crime, say no to drugs, mess with the bull and you'll get the horns
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Bogan Krkic posted:While I agree with this, drugs are bad and if you can't do the time then don't do the crime, say no to drugs, mess with the bull and you'll get the horns actually drugs are really good
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drugs have both positive and negative aspects
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Bogan Krkic posted:While I agree with this, drugs are bad and if you can't do the time then don't do the crime, say no to drugs, mess with the bull and you'll get the horns He did do the time, though.
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drugs are illegal for a reason (its because theyre bad) and anyone who does drugs should be locked up in prison
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If it was weed ok id be mildly sympathetic. But cocaine seems pretty bad
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May 15, 2018 11:46
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Drugs are bad mkay but the extension to the ban seems somewhat arbitrary.
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Eau de MacGowan posted:drugs have both positive and negative aspects this is a tested theory
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It's funny, because Mutu got a 7-month ban and a fine for doing lines as opposed to drinking tea. But, that being said, you can't expect to change anything about all these players dying on the field if you don't do something to clean up the sport. You just wish that the rest of the world actually took these anti-doping test seriously rather than just make an example out of some 36-year old striker.
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In conclusion, drugs are a land of contrasts.
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Bogan Krkic posted:While I agree with this, drugs are bad and if you can't do the time then don't do the crime, say no to drugs, mess with the bull and you'll get the horns The time for your crime is ten years. *ten years passes* Sike!
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any and all drug users should be put in prison for life
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Cocaine is a performance enhancing drug. maybe the self perception of your performance lol just lol if you think it would give any on the field performance boost just ask our boy Adrian Mutu Healbot posted:The Tour de France was and is extremely big on doping, you'd have people hopped up on cocaine, heroin, strychnin and other stuff way back in the 1920's to 40's (The Pellisier brothers were really open about consuming everything under the sun to get an edge). there is a VAST difference in thinking something gives you and edge and an actual physiological/cognitive assist a short biological half life stimulant like cocaine will give you gently caress all in an endurance sport like cycling or football the amphetamine class though..... vivisectvnv fucked around with this message at 17:48 on May 15, 2018 |
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Bogan Krkic posted:any and all drug users should be put in prison for life
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BrigadierSensible posted:The lovely thing about this isn't the ban, which he has already served, for what is at worst a recreational drug. Although that is a different argument to be had. preach brother
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