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Calling everyone else a fascist in long meandering screeds is a meltdown no matter how you slice it, your weakass defense of it doesn't change that There's not even anything to debate in those posts, when someone thinks that all gun control advocates must be fascists that's way past the point of reasoned debate QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 11:54 on May 11, 2018 |
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May 11, 2018 11:51
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evilweasel posted:until the government finds out you're a criminal Laws that automatically turn former law-abiding citizens into criminals sound a lot like ｆａｓｃｉｓｍ to me.
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May 12, 2018 08:51
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So when marital rape became a crime that was fascism?
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May 12, 2018 09:14
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Laws that automatically turn former law-abiding citizens into criminals sound a lot like ｆａｓｃｉｓｍ to me. Yeah, we know you're an idiot. It's okay.
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May 12, 2018 11:59
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Laws that automatically turn former law-abiding citizens into criminals sound a lot like ｆａｓｃｉｓｍ to me. Well, better not pass any new laws ever then.
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May 12, 2018 12:01
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Zanzibar Ham posted:So when marital rape became a crime that was fascism? Worse, feminism.
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May 12, 2018 13:51
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I like the idea that a simple change of law turns otherwise normal people into Purge villains. The idea of criminality being a trait and not a consequence is so stupid. HootTheOwl posted:Worse, feminism. Feminism is just cuck fascism *Galaxy brain*
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May 12, 2018 14:15
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Separate thought: Right wing gun fetishists are so concerned about jackbooted gun grabbers because in their heart of hearts they dream of enacting their own decrepit mores by that exact method. It's projection turtles, all the way down.
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May 12, 2018 14:20
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r.y.f.s.o. posted:The idea of criminality being a trait and not a consequence is so stupid. It's interesting that the NYS gun laws and people ITT are super concerned about "criminals." What is it about "criminals" that liberals seem to love to bring up when passing gun control laws? I wonder if they are using "criminal" to refer to something else, maybe a trait that would be shared by the type of people most impacted by "common sense" laws? In order to not be anymore obnoxious then you deserve I'll just say it. Gun Control is racist. It has racist roots, and only racists support it. Further there is no way to pass any kind of "may-issue" gun control licensing or registration without relying on racism to keep guns away from "criminals."
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May 12, 2018 16:55
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:It's interesting that the NYS gun laws and people ITT are super concerned about "criminals." What is it about "criminals" that liberals seem to love to bring up when passing gun control laws? I wonder if they are using "criminal" to refer to something else, maybe a trait that would be shared by the type of people most impacted by "common sense" laws? it turns out that fat white men cosplaying with deadly toys are the real black men in america
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May 12, 2018 17:10
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I'm assuming you mean racist against white people or else you'd probably be all for it (if you really thought that and weren't arguing in bad faith anyway).
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May 12, 2018 17:11
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:It's interesting that the NYS gun laws and people ITT are super concerned about "criminals." What is it about "criminals" that liberals seem to love to bring up when passing gun control laws? I wonder if they are using "criminal" to refer to something else, maybe a trait that would be shared by the type of people most impacted by "common sense" laws? Just out of curiosity, do you think it's possible to discuss gun control without the words criminal, liberal or racist? I'm conducting a thought experiment and you seem enthusiastic enough.
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May 12, 2018 17:15
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:It's interesting that the NYS gun laws and people ITT are super concerned about "criminals." What is it about "criminals" that liberals seem to love to bring up when passing gun control laws? I wonder if they are using "criminal" to refer to something else, maybe a trait that would be shared by the type of people most impacted by "common sense" laws?  do you also own one of these
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May 12, 2018 17:21
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that is the weakest troll i've seen here in a while. shameful.
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May 12, 2018 17:23
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botany posted:that is the weakest troll i've seen here in a while. shameful. nah he is actually that stupid
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May 12, 2018 18:30
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:In order to not be anymore obnoxious then you deserve You've been unsuccessful.
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May 12, 2018 18:46
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Pass a new amendment to give guns human rights IMO
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May 12, 2018 19:08
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Pass a new amendment to give guns human rights IMO People: defined as guns and corporations, but not actual humans because that would be messy
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May 12, 2018 21:28
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archangelwar posted:People: defined as guns and corporations, but not actual humans because that would be messy i endorse this product and/or service
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May 12, 2018 22:26
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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I sort of have to wonder how many of the more fervently gun-grabber people ITT have spent much time talking with "average" gun owners. I've talked a lot of fellow shooters, in NYS, VA and VT. Of course up here in VT it's easier to find granola-green gun people who basically support the entire democratic agenda (background checks, class bans on some guns, etc). But, I met a lot of those people in NYS and VA as well. I'm not just talking about basically liberal friends who enjoy blowing stuff up, but lots of randos at the range as well. Within those demographics I have encountered a wide spectrum of opinions, and people who just think, full stop, status quo is fine and any effort to curtail it is THE UN BLUE HATS WANT MAH GUNS are a significant minority. A very vocal one, who are parroted ad infinium by NRA ads, but a minority none the less. My point is that "LOL WE'RE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS NOW" posts strike me as obvious flamebait. That's fine, venting is fine. But, if you want to effect policy change, I'd encourage you to be a bit more nuanced and actually talk to people, because I think it would be surprisingly easy to come up with a coaltion of gun owners in favor of procedural, evidence-based progressive reduction in gun availability and the number of guns in the wild. Granted, the most fervent gun owners in this thread are idiots, but, this is the internet. disclaimer: I personally support nearly any law change that seems likely for fact-driven reasons to reduce the number of guns in circulation in America, second amendment be damned, and if guns were ever banned for civilians I'd be on board with that provided it was in lockstep with actual measures to disarm and demilitarize the police. So, this puts me significantly to the left of most gun owners even here in VT, and I'm not trying to play it off as though my particular position is well represented. But, like I said, it's a spectrum, and I am not alone. Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 17:19 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 17:17
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Your mistake is assuming that anyone that is ardently pro-gun-control is doing it in good faith and not for spite-based reasons.
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May 15, 2018 17:35
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I'm fully prepared to say that I harbor vast amounts of spite towards people who think that their useless toys are more important than human lives. Also, for fucks sake, Somethingawful does not determine policy, if you're reading people saying, lol, gonna get your guns and clutching your pearls you're pretty dumb. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 17:55 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 17:49
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khwarezm posted:I'm fully prepared to say that I harbor vast amounts of spite towards people who think that their useless toys are more important than human lives.
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May 15, 2018 17:58
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Rent-A-Cop posted:First world lifestyles are built on a mountain of skulls. Thanks for the insight Rent-A-Cop, perhaps you could expand on that and finally use those guns for something worthwhile by shooting up Apple's headquarters instead of moping around here. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 15, 2018 18:09
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Holistic medicine beat me to the punch.
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May 15, 2018 18:16
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oh okay we're at the point where people just want to be D&D spiteful instead of D&D thoughtful? I missed the memo, did skip a couple pages there. Peace
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May 15, 2018 18:51
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Tim Raines IRL posted:oh okay we're at the point where people just want to be D&D spiteful instead of D&D thoughtful? I missed the memo, did skip a couple pages there. Peace That tends to happen after pages and pages of bad-faith arguments. cue 'from the gun-grabbin' side right???  ' replies
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May 15, 2018 18:55
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Zanzibar Ham posted:That tends to happen after pages and pages of bad-faith arguments. Suggesting this was ever a good thread is the baddest faith argument. Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 19:03 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 18:59
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Tim Raines IRL posted:oh okay we're at the point where people just want to be D&D spiteful instead of D&D thoughtful? I missed the memo, did skip a couple pages there. Peace We've had pages and pages of good discussions, but the thread's gun-holders happen to be bad faith posters like Dead Reckoning and Rent-A-Cop
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May 15, 2018 19:04
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QuarkJets posted:We've had pages and pages of good discussions, but the thread's gun-holders happen to be bad faith posters like Dead Reckoning and Rent-A-Cop All of my posts in this thread are in good faith if not good taste.
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May 15, 2018 19:08
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Rent-A-Cop kinda owns though because he’s fully conscious that he’s a bad guy and he’s affable about it
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May 15, 2018 19:11
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Tim Raines IRL posted:I sort of have to wonder how many of the more fervently gun-grabber people ITT have spent much time talking with "average" gun owners. I've talked a lot of fellow shooters, in NYS, VA and VT. Of course up here in VT it's easier to find granola-green gun people who basically support the entire democratic agenda (background checks, class bans on some guns, etc). But, I met a lot of those people in NYS and VA as well. I'm not just talking about basically liberal friends who enjoy blowing stuff up, but lots of randos at the range as well. There's no such thing as "average gun owners". Average people by definition do not have guns when gun owners are such a small minority. It's not 1955 anymore, gun ownership is not a typical thing, and thank God for that. Also protip: if you have ever voted in favor of guns over anything else, you ain't left. You're just a conservative idiot who's lying to themselves and others.
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May 15, 2018 19:17
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khwarezm posted:Also, for fucks sake, Somethingawful does not determine policy, if you're reading people saying, lol, gonna get your guns and clutching your pearls you're pretty dumb. QuarkJets posted:We've had pages and pages of good discussions, but the thread's gun-holders happen to be bad faith posters like Dead Reckoning and Rent-A-Cop
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May 15, 2018 19:33
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This forum in general seems to have a confused understanding of what "bad faith" is normally used for.
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May 15, 2018 19:37
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Dead Reckoning posted:Would you accept this argument from someone posting about, lol they can't wait for the illegal immigrants to get kicked out? That it would be OK for them to say that because they don't make policy on SA? If you think those examples are different, why so? Hahaholyfuckingshitlol... Because illegal immigrants are actual, real people you dumbass!
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May 15, 2018 19:38
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Is the idea of less households with guns based on something more than that poll? I don't think there's good numbers on it. What the poll shows is that, when called and asked if they had guns, more and more people said "no".
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May 15, 2018 19:40
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Seriously, you might as well have just gone straight to 'well what if somebody was like "can't wait till the jews get exterminated", that's on the same level as guns being confiscated isn't it?'
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May 15, 2018 19:41
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You said in that same post that you harbor spite for gun owners as people. It's hard to take you seriously when when you say that you would vote to spite people (but that's OK lol, because you haven't been able to do it... yet...) and then say you want to have a discussion in good faith.
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May 15, 2018 19:46
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Jack B Nimble posted:Is the idea of less households with guns based on something more than that poll? I don't think there's good numbers on it. What the poll shows is that, when called and asked if they had guns, more and more people said "no". Ah so you believe there's a massive conspiracy among 200 million or so Americans to lie that they don't have guns but secretly do while only 70 million or so tell the truth that they do have guns. That's what you'd need after all for the ownership rate to stay the same from over 60 years ago to now, but for the ownership rates reported in multiple sorts of surveys over the years to go down. Well that's certainly something you can choose to believe, but it also isn't true.
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