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CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Further than the Redskins have gotten recently...

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a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!
Philip Rivers is a better quarterback than Eli Manning

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

a neat cape posted:

Philip Rivers is a better quarterback than Eli Manning

State your case.

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


CyberPingu posted:

State your case.

One is good at football, the other's last name is Manning

Athanatos
Jun 7, 2006

Est. 2000

a neat cape posted:

Philip Rivers is a better quarterback than Eli Manning

I dont see any Super Bowl Victories over Tom Brady on Rivers record...

DaStampede
Feb 8, 2018

a neat cape posted:

Philip Rivers is a better quarterback than Eli Manning

So good he never won a superbowl and his team got relocated.

pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

a neat cape posted:

Philip Rivers is a better quarterback than Eli Manning

Has Rivers ever beaten the Patriots in the postseason?

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
the funniest hall of fame disparity was 2 bald white guys who played MLB and wore #54 with nearly identical career stats and one got in instantly and the other didn't even come close

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/996500489289203715?s=19

Not surprising

LiquidFriend
Apr 5, 2005

a neat cape posted:

Philip Rivers is a better quarterback than Eli Manning
Unstoppable. Eli Manning is.

Iodised QQ
Jul 23, 2004

There's been so much revisionist history on the 2011 giants that it really diminishes what eli did that year. Certainly from talking heads like Steve young who freely admit they don't do any research whatsoever yet claim to be an analyst, but also from a lot of others who actually should remember what's going on. They talk about how the giants need that ground n pound style with eli as their qb to succeed because he can't possibly carry a team without it when that 2011 team was carried completely by him in the regular season.

There's a stat somewhere (don't remember the exact numbers) about how that team broke records for being the only team ever to win a sb despite being dead last in rushing with a defense that was bottom 5ish as well. That 2011 team sucked at quite literally everything except throwing the ball.

Dead last in yards per carry, and by a large margin. Largely in part because of an absolutely dreadful offensive line, which has remained the case for the giants for the past decade. The defense would have broken records for how bad they were, except the packers and Patriots beat them to it in the same year. Oddly enough the rate stats for those two defenses I believe were middle of the pack, they were just on the field all day facing passes because Rodgers and Brady put up monster years. The giants defense just flat out sucked.

That team doesn't sniff the playoffs without eli breaking 4th quarter comeback records with a defense that repeatedly blew leads.

All things considered, eli had a monster year in 2011 but was overshadowed by the aforementioned Rodgers and Brady. He was absolutely a top 5 qb that year and, once the playoffs started and the defense decided to play football, was a very large part of the second slaying of Tom Brady on the biggest stage.


Tl;Dr- 2 sb mvps, eli for hof, lick my butt

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

pubic works project posted:

Has Rivers ever beaten the Patriots in the postseason?

Yeah, then Marlon mccree happened

Marklar
Jul 24, 2003

Ball is Love
Ball is Life

Those Giants defenses were the real MVPs.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

I'm also an autist who only cares about numbers, and not about the single greatest upset in NFL history

You mean when the Ravens beat the Giants?

Sour Diesel
Jan 30, 2010

that was not an upset lol

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender

Marklar posted:

Those Giants defenses were the real MVPs.

More so in the first than the second. The 2011 Giants defense was not near as good.

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


Iodised QQ posted:

There's been so much revisionist history on the 2011 giants that it really diminishes what eli did that year. Certainly from talking heads like Steve young who freely admit they don't do any research whatsoever yet claim to be an analyst, but also from a lot of others who actually should remember what's going on. They talk about how the giants need that ground n pound style with eli as their qb to succeed because he can't possibly carry a team without it when that 2011 team was carried completely by him in the regular season.

There's a stat somewhere (don't remember the exact numbers) about how that team broke records for being the only team ever to win a sb despite being dead last in rushing with a defense that was bottom 5ish as well. That 2011 team sucked at quite literally everything except throwing the ball.

Dead last in yards per carry, and by a large margin. Largely in part because of an absolutely dreadful offensive line, which has remained the case for the giants for the past decade. The defense would have broken records for how bad they were, except the packers and Patriots beat them to it in the same year. Oddly enough the rate stats for those two defenses I believe were middle of the pack, they were just on the field all day facing passes because Rodgers and Brady put up monster years. The giants defense just flat out sucked.

That team doesn't sniff the playoffs without eli breaking 4th quarter comeback records with a defense that repeatedly blew leads.

All things considered, eli had a monster year in 2011 but was overshadowed by the aforementioned Rodgers and Brady. He was absolutely a top 5 qb that year and, once the playoffs started and the defense decided to play football, was a very large part of the second slaying of Tom Brady on the biggest stage.


Tl;Dr- 2 sb mvps, eli for hof, lick my butt

That's a whole lotta words to say that Eli sucks and won because Coughlin is a good coach

Amy Pole Her
Jun 17, 2002
Guys let’s maybe tighten up on the potty mouth language

Nodoze
Aug 17, 2006

If it's only for a night I can live without you
Eli Manning is the definition of mediocrity

WHOOPS
Nov 6, 2009
gently caress off

pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Amy Pole Her posted:

Guys let’s maybe tighten up on the potty mouth language

Frick off

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
https://twitter.com/fordfield/status/996883538690572288

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
I think Andy Dalton should be in the Hall of Fame

A Man and his dog
Oct 24, 2013

by R. Guyovich
The last time the Lions won a playoff game was 1991 so I've lost the taste.

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

lol at tff melting down over hof discussion

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

sharknado slashfic posted:

lol at tff melting down over hof discussion

lol at this meltdown.

DaStampede
Feb 8, 2018

Nodoze posted:

Eli Manning is the definition of mediocrity

Lots of below average QBs if mediocrity is two time SB MVP.

D-LINK
Oct 1, 2007

I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.

sharknado slashfic posted:

lol at tff melting down over hof discussion

Ray Lewis is almost certainly the best MLB, ever. Sorry, TFF

Mystic Stylez
Dec 19, 2009

MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

The others are Jan Stenerud (weirdest play in SB history)

which play?

also re: Joe Namath a few pages ago, IIRC he's got really good stats for the era he played in if you do some ~~advanced stats~~

Mystic Stylez fucked around with this message at 00:43 on May 17, 2018

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

Amy Pole Her posted:

Guys let’s maybe tighten up on the potty mouth language

After all these years, finally coming around to Philbin.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
If you go by betting lines the biggest Super Bowl Upsets in history are

1. Jets over Baltimore in Superbowl 3 (-18)
2. New England over St. Louis in Superbowl 36 (-14)
3a. New York Giants over New England in Superbowl 42 (-12)
3b. Kansas City over Minnesota in Superbowl 4 (-12)

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003


taste of the lions huh

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet

DariusLikewise posted:

If you go by betting lines the biggest Super Bowl Upsets in history are

1. Jets over Baltimore in Superbowl 3 (-18)
2. New England over St. Louis in Superbowl 36 (-14)
3a. New York Giants over New England in Superbowl 42 (-12)
3b. Kansas City over Minnesota in Superbowl 4 (-12)

For kicks, biggest disparities in regards to the spread:

Upsets
1. XLVII: SEA 43 - DEN 8 (DEN -2); -37 points
2. XXII: WAS 42 - DEN 10 (DEN -3); -35 points
3. XVIII: LAR 38 - WAS 9 (WAS -3); -32 points
(III and IV would be #6 and #5 on this list, respectively)

Blowouts
1. XXIV: SFO 55 - DEN 10 (SF -12); +33 points
2. XXVII: DAL 52 - BUF 17 (DAL -6.5); +28.5 points
3. XX: CHI 46 - NWE 10 (CHI -10); +26 points

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

There's only 5 total kicker and/or punters on the Hall. There's only 1 I don't recognize - Lou Groza. The others are Jan Stenerud (weirdest play in SB history), George Blanda, who was also a starting QB for over a decade, Morten Anderson, the NFL's all-time points leader, and Ray Guy, who is easily the most famous punter in NFL history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Groza?wprov=sfla1



Lou Groza is pretty deserving.

MrLogan
Feb 4, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
I can't believe people think Frank Gore belongs in the HoF. He's a Dolphin, not a Steeler.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

If Gore doesnt belong pretty much no one does.

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS

MrLogan posted:

I can't believe people think Frank Gore belongs in the HoF. He's a Dolphin, not a Steeler.

He's a San Francisco 49er.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

MrLogan posted:

I can't believe people think Frank Gore belongs in the HoF. He's a Dolphin, not a Steeler.
Three of your five posts in this thread are about Frank Gore.

That's... impressive.

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

He's a player who has had a surprisingly long career despite never being better than like, the fourth best running back in the league.

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The Wild Man of YOLO
Apr 20, 2004

A little cross-country, gentlemen?


Thought that randomly said "Man the Ford" for a sec

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