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The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

rudatron posted:

maybe. i see where you're coming from. but the reality is that there's a lot of ugliness out there, and being a subject of oppression is not enobling, but degrading.

Aggression, insecurity, personality disorders, and even hate can be out growths of social status and physical insecurity. so building a movement from the ranks of the oppressed, means confronting that, and learning to deal with it, systematically if necessary.

and i'm not sure that insight has been quite grasped by everyone yet, because the entire terrain, i guess the 'internal culture' of socialist organizing, isn't willing to confront that, and it isn't ready to deal with that.


Oh hey, in the abstract I agree with you, but in the specific case, I feel like we could've built a bridge with a bit more planning that would've been less controversial.

EDIT: More planning meaning not this specific NPC member just kinda going off and saying "HAY I AM THE DSA! WE ARE DOING THIS NOW" without much consultation with the local folks, or anybody, really.

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Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

I'm glad the NPC gave us a full day to celebrate a solid set of wins before doing something embarrassing again.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Goon Danton posted:

I'm glad the NPC gave us a full day to celebrate a solid set of wins before doing something embarrassing again.

:same:

PsychedelicWarlord
Sep 8, 2016


RL, a grandstanding narcissistic stunt? Well, I never.

Pikavangelist
Nov 9, 2016

There is no God but Arceus
And Pikachu is His prophet



Goon Danton posted:

I'm glad the NPC gave us a full day to celebrate a solid set of wins before doing something embarrassing again.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
i dont really like rl stephens tbh. i cant remember why any more but he said something that pissed me off ob a podcast.


also this particular preacher probably is, in fact, not worth reaching out to. but i felt it was necessary to point out that it could be, sometimes, maybe

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Larry Parrish posted:

also this particular preacher probably is, in fact, not worth reaching out to. but i felt it was necessary to point out that it could be, sometimes, maybe

This is why I don't like what he's doing. His point is correct, but his way of making it undermines it.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
There's a big difference in reaching out to working-class people with problematic views and reaching out to a pastor who used his status and power for bigotry.

Every single one of us has lovely views on something, and purity tests are bad, but this is clearly a gently caress-up.

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Goon Danton posted:

I'm glad the NPC gave us a full day to celebrate a solid set of wins before doing something embarrassing again.

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

Nikita Khrushchev posted:

RL, a grandstanding narcissistic stunt? Well, I never.

I like a lot of his writing and his criticism of Coates, but he is extremely prone to grandstanding poo poo, you’re right

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Dmitri-9 posted:

Maoism in the first world is stupid.
Just curious, what do people ITT think of the general principle of arming the Left?

I'm in favour of it, but as is common in leftist discourse, a diversity of tactics get conflated with one idea. If antifa is about making the cost of open white supremacism untenably high, arming yourself dissuades people from thinking they can isolate and attack you without risk.

Some people take it to mean "Let's form a leftist militia and go looking for fights with right-wing militias." That ain't gonna work out. I'm in favour of communities arming themselves against white supremacy, including against the police, but it's not a first step, and not something to be fetishized the way the RGA are doing.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

Halloween Jack posted:

Just curious, what do people ITT think of the general principle of arming the Left?

I'm in favour of it, but as is common in leftist discourse, a diversity of tactics get conflated with one idea. If antifa is about making the cost of open white supremacism untenably high, arming yourself dissuades people from thinking they can isolate and attack you without risk.

Some people take it to mean "Let's form a leftist militia and go looking for fights with right-wing militias." That ain't gonna work out. I'm in favour of communities arming themselves against white supremacy, including against the police, but it's not a first step, and not something to be fetishized the way the RGA are doing.

I understand the argument for it but I have yet to meet a single person in DSA that I would trust with a loaded firearm

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Halloween Jack posted:

Just curious, what do people ITT think of the general principle of arming the Left?

I'm in favour of it, but as is common in leftist discourse, a diversity of tactics get conflated with one idea. If antifa is about making the cost of open white supremacism untenably high, arming yourself dissuades people from thinking they can isolate and attack you without risk.

Some people take it to mean "Let's form a leftist militia and go looking for fights with right-wing militias." That ain't gonna work out. I'm in favour of communities arming themselves against white supremacy, including against the police, but it's not a first step, and not something to be fetishized the way the RGA are doing.

i literally think we should form workers militias like the pre-October Revolution soviets

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

I understand the argument for it but I have yet to meet a single person in DSA that I would trust with a loaded firearm

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
And tbh your incredibly retarded if you want to restrict firearms access but also think the police are brutal and violent. The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is protection from state violence

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Gah

surfacelevelspeck
Oct 1, 2008

communism's sleepiest soldier

Larry Parrish posted:

And tbh your incredibly retarded if you want to restrict firearms access but also think the police and brutal and violent. The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is protection from state violence

agreed but also

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

I understand the argument for it but I have yet to meet a single person in DSA that I would trust with a loaded firearm

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

Halloween Jack posted:

Just curious, what do people ITT think of the general principle of arming the Left?

I'm in favour of it, but as is common in leftist discourse, a diversity of tactics get conflated with one idea. If antifa is about making the cost of open white supremacism untenably high, arming yourself dissuades people from thinking they can isolate and attack you without risk.

Some people take it to mean "Let's form a leftist militia and go looking for fights with right-wing militias." That ain't gonna work out. I'm in favour of communities arming themselves against white supremacy, including against the police, but it's not a first step, and not something to be fetishized the way the RGA are doing.

I am for it, at least as one small part of a greater program of skill development including first aid, gardening, and general like.... food autonomy skills (fishing and hunting) etc. We shouldn't cede those skills to fascists or the reactionary middle class, imo urban leftists in general should learn more about outdoor activities for their own / community's benefit (it's surprising how often random fishermen just give away nice fish to random people while I'm out, some of those fish are a substantially large free meal), as well as a way to connect with the rural working class.

The worst way to go about it would be to fetishize guns as like a magic tool that wards away fascism tho. Doing that is a quick ticket to niche subculture development and not a real movement.

I recently taught some new leftist shooters how to shoot some guns and it was both a cool experience as well as a harrowing one (muzzling me, forgetting how to load the gun, bad stance, etc). All will be fixed in time though

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

a fundamentally good idea executed in the worst loving possible way with absolutely zero forethought is basically RL's modus operandi

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
guns are disgustingly easy to use, but much like other dangerous tools, its amazing what people who have never injured themselves in an accident will try.

also ive never really trusted more than a few people around guns anyway. nobody ever takes those saftey courses or takes them seriously if they do

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
remove all weapons bans, but you cant purchase guns that aren't like, 10/22s if you demonstrate how to clear, clean, and maintain them without pointing the barrel at someone's foot

wedgie deliverer
Oct 2, 2010

deep web creep posted:

a fundamentally good idea executed in the worst loving possible way with absolutely zero forethought is basically RL's NPC's modus operandi

Captain Queernabs
Dec 25, 2005

Fig. 1: bonehorse
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Captain Queernabs has issued a correction as of 23:43 on Aug 26, 2018

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Good news, even giving a cop a dirty look can land you in jail for 10 years soon.

https://twitter.com/JonathanCohn/status/996890864738807814

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Bullfrog posted:

I am for it, at least as one small part of a greater program of skill development including first aid, gardening, and general like.... food autonomy skills (fishing and hunting) etc. We shouldn't cede those skills to fascists or the reactionary middle class, imo urban leftists in general should learn more about outdoor activities for their own / community's benefit (it's surprising how often random fishermen just give away nice fish to random people while I'm out, some of those fish are a substantially large free meal), as well as a way to connect with the rural working class.
My main concern is that if you purport to protect a community from violence, you have to be a part of that community, or at least engaged with it, and have the approval of the community. So I would prioritize teaching safety, first aid, conflict deescalation, and mutual aid organizing skills before outdoor skills.


Basically, people who want to do this:

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

They first popped up during the Black Lives Matter protests around the same time as Ferguson if I remember right. They really came out of nowhere and I don't think Austin activists really knew who any of them were. So imagine a police reform rally and then these Maoists with their faces covered roll in, dump a slaughtered pig's head on the ground (really) in front of the cops and then start chanting "OINK OINK BANG BANG. OINK OINK BANG BANG."
...but don't want to help run a clinic or a breakfast program, are dangerous idiots. People who just want to get "This machine kills fascists" engraved on an AR-15 should go be cops.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
https://twitter.com/RLisDead/status/997165653030207488

Mature, sober, professional leadership.

unbutthurtable
Dec 2, 2016

Total. Tox. Rereg.


College Slice

It's true though -- that would stunt on us pretty hard

Matt Lindland
Feb 10, 2018

SHUT THE FUCK UP KEVEN

ALSO GJ BUYING A NEW ACCOUNT LIKE A GODDAMN COWARD
YOU USELESS WHITE NOISE POSTER

YOU WILL NOT ESCAPE THE BOLF RAMSHIELD YOU SO RICHLY DESERVE


now with professional animation
Gandhi: Lol check this out yall im gonna try something hold my beer

Matt Lindland
Feb 10, 2018

SHUT THE FUCK UP KEVEN

ALSO GJ BUYING A NEW ACCOUNT LIKE A GODDAMN COWARD
YOU USELESS WHITE NOISE POSTER

YOU WILL NOT ESCAPE THE BOLF RAMSHIELD YOU SO RICHLY DESERVE


now with professional animation
That post was just a joke on a serious man starting his serious mission by introing his insta vid. I know that Gandhi is actually bad. please relax folks.

tag youre fat
Aug 16, 2013

C'est l'homme ideal
charme au masculin

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

Congrats to Austin DSA for somehow staying out of the Austin PSL / Redguard feud, which is genuinely hilarious

https://twitter.com/pslweb/status/996407254311227393

https://twitter.com/RSF_Austin/status/994250738292477958

i have no idea about this feud but lmao at 'rapist,abductor...gentrifier'

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

also he strangles

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
the spacing between gentrifier and enemy of the people is really bugging me

an actual dog
Nov 18, 2014

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

the spacing between gentrifier and enemy of the people is really bugging me

graphic design is a part of COINTELPRO

surfacelevelspeck
Oct 1, 2008

communism's sleepiest soldier

Stairmaster posted:

also he strangles

she. regardless of the validity of the allegations don't stoop to their level of anti-LGBT propaganda.

Vhak lord of hate
Jun 6, 2008

I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS

Syndlig posted:

she. regardless of the validity of the allegations don't stoop to their level of anti-LGBT propaganda.

Sure but based on the picture the RGA used (one of her pre-transition hmm wonder why they did that) you wouldn't know her gender basedon their post.

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

Halloween Jack posted:

My main concern is that if you purport to protect a community from violence, you have to be a part of that community, or at least engaged with it, and have the approval of the community. So I would prioritize teaching safety, first aid, conflict deescalation, and mutual aid organizing skills before outdoor skills.

yeah, i fundamentally agree for sure. there's an issue where a lot of the "sexier" skills like holding the gun are emphasized over the much more important immediate skills like the ones you mentioned. it needs to be balanced, and comprise all of them while staying coherent.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Larry Parrish posted:

And tbh your incredibly retarded if you want to restrict firearms access but also think the police are brutal and violent. The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is protection from state violence

why just look at all those police murders guns have prevented, such as

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

yes that's right i'm taking the bait, it's time for a Gun Derail yeehaw *throws hat into air while shooting revolvers*

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Yinlock posted:

why just look at all those police murders guns have prevented, such as

yeah, but can you imagine

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Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Ace of Baes posted:

yeah, but can you imagine

i will admit that in an alternate universe where guns helped prevent gun violence, more guns would be a fantastic idea

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