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I think the gender of the sculptor does make a difference. Like, look at this If this was painted by a dude, a lot of people would dismiss it as nothing but awesome spank-bait. But it wasn't painted by a dude, it was painted by a woman. It's essentially a self-portrait. Although in real life I don't think Julie Bell has a giant metal dog.
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Subjunctive posted:Do you believe that the sculpt in question is sex-positive? What does that adjective mean to you? The real question is why do you think pin-up art, even clothed despite the provocative pose, is inherently wrong?
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May 20, 2018 19:57
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NTRabbit posted:The real question is why do you think pin-up art is inherently wrong? No, you're the guy who kramered in here to call everyone knee-jerk prudes, the onus is on you to explain why you believe you're right, not to demand that everybody else prove you wrong.
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May 20, 2018 19:58
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Kai Tave posted:No, you're the guy who kramered in here to call everyone knee-jerk prudes, the onus is on you to explain why you believe you're right, not to demand that everybody else prove you wrong. I'm not the one who declared provocative depictions of the female body to be misogynistic, or insinuated that women who make that sort of art are wrong and need to have their agency removed so that they can be corrected. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 20, 2018 20:01
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NTRabbit posted:I'm not the one who declared provocative depictions of the female body to be misogynistic, or insinuated that women who make that sort of art are wrong and need to have their agency removed so that they can be corrected. Nobody in this thread has actually said either of those things. You're here to try and stir up poo poo by raging at strawmen for some unexplained reason. If you're really that bored I could recommend going and taking a walk.
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May 20, 2018 20:04
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I once argued with a girl in a first year sociology class who thought that her being able to get her tits out to get to served first at the bar meant she actually has power over men and so, yay, sexism is over (and maybe feminism has even gone too far???) She got very, very angry when I pointed out that if you give your dog a treat when it does tricks for you, that's not your dog exerting power over you.  Also: Doorknob Slobber posted:its too bad that there was still all the rape imagery Excuse me, but the tentacle rape monster mini doesn't even have game rules!  (of course, the pinup model based on it does - that comes with a breastpump item that makes it easier for female characters to give birth because that's how things work apparently)
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May 20, 2018 20:10
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NTRabbit posted:I'm not the one who declared provocative depictions of the female body to be misogynistic, or insinuated that women who make that sort of art are wrong and need to have their agency removed so that they can be corrected. Neither am I. I said that “is a woman” doesn’t make harmful acts impossible. I didn’t say that they didn’t have the right to perform those acts, just as people have the right to vote against their own interests. Which part of what I said do you consider incorrect? Is being a woman an inoculation against misogyny? Can women never act against the social interests of women?
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May 20, 2018 20:12
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the boobie model is tasteless, dumb and bad but imo associating yourself with something so embarrassing is punishment enough.
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May 20, 2018 20:20
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HazCat posted:comes with a breastpump item that makes it easier for female characters to give birth lol I mean nipple stimulation supposedly can help induce labor, but I certainly don't need a breast pump(what the gently caress? why is there even a breast pump in a fantasy board game?) for that
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May 20, 2018 20:23
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Doorknob Slobber posted:lol I mean nipple stimulation supposedly can help induce labor, but I certainly don't need a breast pump(what the gently caress? why is there even a breast pump in a fantasy board game?) for that Nah, it works by making crying baby noises  And what fantasy game is complete without a dubiously thought-out breast pump item? No fantasy game I want to play, that's for sure!
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May 20, 2018 20:35
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Bombadilillo posted:There is a delightful book/game thing called Journal 29. Journal 29: Interactive Book Game https://www.amazon.com/dp/1635871727/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_R1BaBb909VRP2 This seems cool and right up my alley. Just bought the first one on Amazon and will try it out. I think I'll have enough time to figure out if I like it before the KS ends.
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May 20, 2018 20:46
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This sure is a lot of words to defend a mini of a lady feeling herself up.
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May 20, 2018 20:49
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neaden posted:This seems cool and right up my alley. Just bought the first one on Amazon and will try it out. I think I'll have enough time to figure out if I like it before the KS ends. Glad someone saw it over the derail! I bet you'll be hooked after a few puzzles they start simple and get increasing difficult. Enjoy!
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Bombadilillo posted:Glad someone saw it over the derail! I bet you'll be hooked after a few puzzles they start simple and get increasing difficult. Enjoy! I put down a "remind me later" notice, it looks pretty nifty but I might have to wait to pick it up because my Kickstarter budget is probably gonna get taken up by Empyreal.
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Bombadilillo posted:Glad someone saw it over the derail! I bet you'll be hooked after a few puzzles they start simple and get increasing difficult. Enjoy! I have balanced the bad karma for participating in said derail by backing this very cool project at the old+new level. I don't mind paying a bit more and waiting a bit longer if it helps them unlock more stretchgoals 
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Journal 29 reminds me a bit of an old book called Maze: Solve the World's Most Challenging Puzzle and that book was loving awesome.
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Leraika posted:Journal 29 reminds me a bit of an old book called Maze: Solve the World's Most Challenging Puzzle and that book was loving awesome. It doesn't choose your own adventure you around to different pages like that maze book does. I have vague memories of a friend having that when I was a kid. Can still get on Amazon and I might. Journal 29 is more straight page to page to page. You will do like 3 puzzles and get a "key" (a word) and the a page will say key 4 + key 5 next to a picture and you have to solve that. So you usually have 2 or 3 pages you can play with if you are in trouble but you have to get those keys to move on. You need every key. (I think?) Their website also has a forums with spoiler tags so you can get hints of you are totally lost on something. I used it for one and they were very soft hints with everyone nudging people in the right direction without giving the puzzle away.
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May 20, 2018 22:00
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Leraika posted:Journal 29 reminds me a bit of an old book called Maze: Solve the World's Most Challenging Puzzle and that book was loving awesome. Didn't someone do an lp of that book a while back?
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Evil Mastermind posted:Didn't someone do an lp of that book a while back? I think so, but it's not on the offsite archive and I don't have archives access.
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NTRabbit posted:I'm not the one who declared provocative depictions of the female body to be misogynistic, or insinuated that women who make that sort of art are wrong and need to have their agency removed so that they can be corrected. Thanks for reminding me you exist and say stupid things. Now I can recall the time you said Americans were too sensitive about the Confederacy and laugh again.
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Subjunctive posted:Do you believe that the sculpt in question is sex-positive? What does that adjective mean to you? im positive that i wanna have sex with that sculpt, if you know what i mean!
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Titty-minis are loving embarrassing, but not as embarrassing as trying to justify playing with titty-minis at the table or trying to justify your titty-mini fetish (on or off a dead comedy forum.)
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Whelp, Empyreal: Spells & Steam is still going strong: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/level99games/empyreal-spells-and-steam-a-fantasy-railway-buildi?ref=user_menu It is a train game with magic! All about line placement and delivery, with a touch of "gently caress you" abilities. Made by the same guy that did Argent, so it kinda has that feel overall. It's also available to play on TTS! In fact, playing a bunch and submitting games can get you a free upgrade! No sexual miniatures. Though I guess there are woman being depicted on inanimate cards. Those woman are in high positions. But there are some woman who work under men. Plus the designer and artist are men. Except for the terrain and background, which were made by a woman. But she probably has internalized misogyny for not pointing out some of the women being depicted are attractive... This is exhausting.
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The issue with sexy feeemales in minis is not about whether or not one mini is over the line. Nor is it really about whether or not a given mini is "tasteful". It's mostly the fact that miniatures wargaming has been an exclusionary (straight) boys' club for most of its existence. Most female representation in major miniatures games is either objectification or tokenism, when they're represented at all. Even the largest miniature company in the world, having completely reinvented their fantasy miniatures game, hasn't taken more than the slightest steps to address this. The fact that the notion of female space marines is still contentious as gently caress is pretty emblematic of the whole issue. It's an industry that's habitually excluded folks outside of the white cishet dude demographic. So when stuff like pinup minis comes up, it's not about Americans just being prudish hypocritical sexhaters. Yes, we sure are, but that's not the point. The point is the it's just a recurring symptom of an industry that has traditionally worked to exclude women, or at least make loud screeching sounds whenever they dare enter the room.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:The issue with sexy feeemales in minis is not about whether or not one mini is over the line. Nor is it really about whether or not a given mini is "tasteful". It's mostly the fact that miniatures wargaming has been an exclusionary (straight) boys' club for most of its existence. Most female representation in major miniatures games is either objectification or tokenism, when they're represented at all. Even the largest miniature company in the world, having completely reinvented their fantasy miniatures game, hasn't taken more than the slightest steps to address this. The fact that the notion of female space marines is still contentious as gently caress is pretty emblematic of the whole issue. It's an industry that's habitually excluded folks outside of the white cishet dude demographic. I too wonder why straight white men don't listen when we tell them that they are the problem.
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Is that what you took from that post? They never said straight men (of any race) were the problem
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Even the largest miniature company in the world, having completely reinvented their fantasy miniatures game, hasn't taken more than the slightest steps to address this. Somebody hasn't been paying attention 
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Guy Goodbody posted:Somebody hasn't been paying attention This is not the cursed images thread sir.
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I am left wondering if Tom Huddleston is a hilarious nom de plume or just the comic book equivalent of Mike Bolton from Office Space.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Somebody hasn't been paying attention Not to mention the generally positive reception of the Stormcast finally getting female models (even though I think the game sucks and Stormcast are exceptionally played out as an army). EDIT: I should actually point these out to one of my friends. Him and his daughter would love these. LordAba fucked around with this message at 00:08 on May 22, 2018 |
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Guy Goodbody posted:Somebody hasn't been paying attention "Dad, I want to play as the girl in blue can I get that model?"
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Chill la Chill posted:"Dad, I want to play as the girl in blue can I get that model?" Personally I would love to shoot a squad of tightly packed children with worms that burrow into their skin and eat their brains in the most painful way possible, Maybe that's just the Tyranid play in me.
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Chill la Chill posted:"Dad, I want to play as the girl in blue can I get that model?" The books don't come out until next year. And there are rumors that there will be some kinda model support for them
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Guy Goodbody posted:Somebody hasn't been paying attention Oh, sure, ambush me with this. Anyway, it's just baby steps so far. do you get it I said baby steps
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UrbanLabyrinth posted:Why do 1/3 of Warhammer children have monocles? In the grimdark warhammer universe, most parents are too poor to afford a complete pair of glasses.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:The issue with sexy feeemales in minis is not about whether or not one mini is over the line. Nor is it really about whether or not a given mini is "tasteful". It's mostly the fact that miniatures wargaming has been an exclusionary (straight) boys' club for most of its existence. Most female representation in major miniatures games is either objectification or tokenism, when they're represented at all. Even the largest miniature company in the world, having completely reinvented their fantasy miniatures game, hasn't taken more than the slightest steps to address this. The fact that the notion of female space marines is still contentious as gently caress is pretty emblematic of the whole issue. It's an industry that's habitually excluded folks outside of the white cishet dude demographic. cosigned. Like, idk about y'all, but every fantasy game having a rando titty mini pisses me off a lot more than KD:M ever did. Even before the Monster Kickstarters turned hard-ons into hard cash, Kingdom Death's whole schtick has always been its whole porno-horror splatter-doujin thing. Whatever your opinion on the subject, they were reasonably up-front with what they were selling and why. Even if the whole "pin-up miniatures are optional!" cop-out was a pretty weaselly attempt to have their cheesecake and eat it too. Call it tasteless sure, but at least it was holistically tasteless. I mean, there was a slightly different problem what with the legions of beardo defenders bringing their slightly sticky game to a family game store at 2pm on a Sunday to stain a public table. But that's more an endemic problem with nerd culture as a whole that needs to be addressed, and not necessarily a problem with KD as a company/entity. Same way that a manufacturer of bondage gear isn't responsible if a customer wears his gimp suit to his nephew's bar mitzvah. But these rando rear end pinup models? Why are they even in this otherwise ostensibly cookie-cutter medieval fantasy? They're clearly just tacked on b/c of an overwhelming industry perception that sex sells (it doesn't unless you're selling sex), that the client base is heterosexual men (a very self-fulfilling prophecy), and that sexiness always takes one particular shape of female commodification (you probably don't want my whole dissertation on the topic). And it's the pervasiveness, the thoughtlessness, and the utter disposability of female sexuality in these products that illustrates the problem with both the community and the industry. I've always been a staunch believer in "It's ok to draw a big titty and have fun about it." But I've written before, the problem is when the publishers and their loyal beards try to shove titty time into everything, regardless of concept, venue, or context. And THAT'S the poison in the air what really needs cleared.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Somebody hasn't been paying attention Finally Treasure Planet is coming back!
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