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I can't imagine an alternate timeline where I'd give a poo poo about a youth oriented warhammer book.
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Ilor posted:Or maybe if Kroot and Vespid hadn't had garbage rules... Kroot had fine rules when they were first introduced. Vespids too. People buy units with middling rules all the time if they're cool enough. Hell, Dark Angels had literally never been good until recently and people still bought enough of those to warrant giving them their own codex. You gotta face facts that people think battlesuits are cooler than a coalition of rando aliens.
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May 23, 2018 03:43
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Is the Res Orb the worst upgrayedd in the game? 35 points for a one shot reroll on Resurrection Protocols for a unit within 3” is pretty bad y’all
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May 23, 2018 03:45
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I do Dan. I do. So. loving much. I want to take 15 Van Saar and turn them into Stormtroopers, or 30 and turn them into Catachans or something. I'm already thinking of ways to quickly paint them up (use the bone color for armor plates, gray with light gray highlight and black wash for cloth, blue lights for cool bits). gently caress Van Saar. Cadians. 30 of them is $87 on the GW website. Give them a flamer and no heavy weapons. 47 points x 3 = 181. A naked Company Commander is 30. A Primaris Psyker is 46. Total: 257. Hell, I'm not gonna poo poo up the thread with a bunch of eBay listings, but there are a lot of them for Cadians, and they're all cheaper than new. Painting: Armor: bone Cloth: purple Skin: dark, cuz it's hella easier than pale Enjoy your 5 CPs. Welcome to 8th edition, where everyone's a Guard player.
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May 23, 2018 04:11
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For my Armageddon Steel Legion, would Orlocks make better dock worker Conscripts or ork hunter Veterans? I feel like painting them into digganob rambos is the right answer. Plus the kits are plenty expensive for conscripts, and veterans will still be armed for Necromunda.
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May 23, 2018 04:18
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quote:gently caress Van Saar. Cadians. 30 of them is $87 on the GW website. It'd be even cheaper to use proxies. That is to say, I consider vastly cooler looking plastic models to be worth paying extra.
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May 23, 2018 04:22
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Fake James posted:Wait what Well it's less likely to be a box now since models and rules aren't synched, but it's the next Forgeworld Imperial Armor book (the books that let you use HH stuff and other forgeworld game shenanigans in 40k), and leaked art suggests it's going to be Mechanicus and Tau themed. It's been delayed for a while in exchange for FW continuing to immolate Horus Heresy with custodes releases.
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May 23, 2018 04:26
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Pendent posted:For real though we need more detail about what both have etc. Properly screened Guard tanks can be a gigantic pain in the rear end to deal with for a lot of armies. I'll have to write something up tomorrow. The terrain helped him shield his Wyvern and Deathstrike, and he sent 3 squads of Adeptus Ministorum CC units in Rhinos, did a table edge strike with Bulgryns, and the mission was three objectives, one dead-center and it was a meat grinder in there. He also had a hellhound and Leman Russ Punisher. I learned a lot about my Deathwatch though, and I'm thinking I might lean more into Veterans with Shields and Termies. Tbf the guy I was playing is really good and a good guy so it was fun and educational.
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May 23, 2018 04:36
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Joys of being a slow painter. Most of this configuration talk doesn't translate to buying new models; I already have enough Inceptors, Aggressors, and Hellblasters to handle nearly every configuration possible. And what I paint gets used regardless. I enjoy thinking about the tactics and list building, and theory-crafting costs me nothing, so who cares? I meant what I said in jest, I probably should have used a smilie or something.
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May 23, 2018 04:38
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The Sex Cannon posted:gently caress Van Saar. Cadians. 30 of them is $87 on the GW website. Give them a flamer and no heavy weapons. 47 points x 3 = 181. A naked Company Commander is 30. A Primaris Psyker is 46. Total: 257. Yes, but Van Saar have that cool quasi-Fremen look to them. OhDearGodNo posted:I meant what I said in jest, I probably should have used a smilie or something. Honestly I took it about as seriously as everything else on SA. I appreciate the joking. It keeps me focused and helps me avoid doing things like starting a Necron army.
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May 23, 2018 04:45
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Yes, but Van Saar have that cool quasi-Fremen look to them. They surely possess the wierding way!
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May 23, 2018 04:47
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Orlocks are way too cool for conscripts. Definitely vets.Neurolimal posted:Well it's less likely to be a box now since models and rules aren't synched, but it's the next Forgeworld Imperial Armor book (the books that let you use HH stuff and other forgeworld game shenanigans in 40k), and leaked art suggests it's going to be Mechanicus and Tau themed. It's been delayed for a while in exchange for FW continuing to immolate Horus Heresy with custodes releases. IA books never come out with boxsets. I'll go update the wiki.
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May 23, 2018 04:49
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Orlocks are way too cool for conscripts. Definitely vets. What about sales/bundles? Seems kind of weird to release a rulebook with no promotional other-thing to buy as well (ala start collecting, forgebane).
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May 23, 2018 05:00
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Neurolimal posted:What about sales/bundles? Seems kind of weird to release a rulebook with no promotional other-thing to buy as well (ala start collecting, forgebane). It's FW, not GW. They might do a 0 savings bundle, but probably not. Typically they're about 75% fluff books, 25% rulebooks. There is roughly 0 chance that it'll come with a box set. The most likely thing is that they'll add some new units with no models, and then release some new custodes model without rules at the same time.
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May 23, 2018 05:03
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I totally want to do Van Saar as my vat-grown, Xenotech armed Deathwatch Proto-Primaris. Drop an Inquisitor in there for that freaky poo poo.
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May 23, 2018 05:51
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Boys the doctor results came in. I’m gonna die from this fever... unless! I get some sick pics of minis Save me lads
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May 23, 2018 05:52
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Shockeh posted:I totally want to do Van Saar as my vat-grown, Xenotech armed Deathwatch Proto-Primaris. Drop an Inquisitor in there for that freaky poo poo. I was thinking of using Van Saar as Deathwatch Veterans for that very reason (plus Van Saar and an Inquisitor dropping out of a Corvus Blackstar is loving metal, but the thread seemed to think that was a bit too far in terms of proxying for anything outside of friendly games.
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May 23, 2018 05:56
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I was thinking of using Van Saar as Deathwatch Veterans for that very reason (plus Van Saar and an Inquisitor dropping out of a Corvus Blackstar is loving metal, but the thread seemed to think that was a bit too far in terms of proxying for anything outside of friendly games. 
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I could use some advice on babbys first genestealer cult list. I only vaguely know what I'm doing and how to structure their squads. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [87 PL, 1245pts] ++ + HQ + Magus [4 PL, 73pts]: Power: Might From Beyond Patriarch [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Mass Hypnosis, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Legendary Fighter Primus [4 PL, 76pts]: Bonesword + Troops + Acolyte Hybrids [10 PL, 123pts] . 4x Acolyte Hybrid . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Cutter . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Cutter . Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cultist Knife Neophyte Hybrids [10 PL, 65pts] . 8x Neophyte Hybrid . Neophyte Hybrid (Special Weapon): Grenade Launcher . Neophyte Hybrid (Special Weapon): Grenade Launcher . Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol Neophyte Hybrids [10 PL, 65pts] . 8x Neophyte Hybrid . Neophyte Hybrid (Special Weapon): Grenade Launcher . Neophyte Hybrid (Special Weapon): Grenade Launcher . Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol + Elites + Aberrants [14 PL, 165pts] . Aberrant: Power Hammer . Aberrant: Power Hammer . Aberrant: Power Hammer . Aberrant: Power Hammer . Aberrant: Power Hammer Purestrain Genestealers [12 PL, 225pts]: 15x Purestrain Genestealer + Heavy Support + Cult Leman Russ [11 PL, 190pts]: 2x Heavy Bolter, Battle Cannon, Lascannon + Dedicated Transport + Cult Chimera [5 PL, 113pts]: Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer ++ Total: [87 PL, 1245pts] ++ Not sure how to set up my ambushes. I want the Magus, Patriarch, and genestealer to be pretty close together. Primus will drop with the Aberrants. Everything else deploys normally with the Acolytes taking the Chimera. Am I doing it kind of right?
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Eifert Posting posted:I can't imagine an alternate timeline where I'd give a poo poo about a youth oriented warhammer book. I can't imagine ANY timeline where I'd want a bunch of screaming kids running around near my carefully painted and delicate models when they haven't yet learned to look after their lego for beginners kits and how to not break their toys at home. Ever seen a kid with no clue (or permission) pick up your carefully assembled metal/resin centerpiece by the most delicate section? Not to mention the screaming. Have I mentioned the screaming? Remember how much kids scream when they play? I think I need to mention the screaming. Screaming. Last time I was a member of a large & active private war gaming club (not just warhammer, all sorts of table mini games) we realised it was being turned into a dumping ground evening loving daycare so Mum and Dad could go have dinner/movie together on a Friday evening or whatever they did sans kids. We dealt with it in the most effective manner: we closed the club completely so it was no longer an entity renting rooms to game in and it became a group of people playing in locations where anyone not of drinking age was unwelcome by the establishment.
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Alokgen posted:I could use some advice on babbys first genestealer cult list. I only vaguely know what I'm doing and how to structure their squads. Kind of yeah. I take it your plan for enemy armour is assault? I do look and think that it needs more genestealers if possible.
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I guess what I'm saying is Warhammer 4 Kids is going to make any self respecting adult never game in an establishment with even younger brats in it. Are they planning to simply sell Young Fiction with Dora the Explorator and the accompanying plushies to kids? I hope that works out for them.
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May 23, 2018 08:15
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Holy poo poo, but Wyches are awesome now.
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May 23, 2018 08:36
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panascope posted:Is the Res Orb the worst upgrayedd in the game? 35 points for a one shot reroll on Resurrection Protocols for a unit within 3” is pretty bad y’all Tell that to the four Destroyers it revived after my first RP roll went to poo poo I guess 
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May 23, 2018 08:37
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I've learned that arquebus rangers fill the very, very important role of picking off pesky crypteks.
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DancingShade posted:I guess what I'm saying is Warhammer 4 Kids is going to make any self respecting adult never game in an establishment with even younger brats in it. Source your quotes. Der Waffle Mous posted:I've learned that arquebus rangers fill the very, very important role of picking off pesky crypteks. Arquebus rangers are great, it's a shame Rangers themselves haven't performed for me. The volume of fire Vanguard put out is way more useful overall for what I want to do. I'd happily field big blobs of Rangers otherwise cos their models are cool as hell. The Deleter fucked around with this message at 09:06 on May 23, 2018 |
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May 23, 2018 09:04
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The Deleter posted:Arquebus rangers are great, it's a shame Rangers themselves haven't performed for me. The volume of fire Vanguard put out is way more useful overall for what I want to do. I'd happily field big blobs of Rangers otherwise cos their models are cool as hell. I'm building my first unit of Rangers at the moment. Is it best to go 2x transuranic arquebus plus an omnispex? What about Alpha loadout?
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The Deleter posted:Source your quotes. Im feeling much the same as a new Admech player. I'm just running min Ranger unit with arquebus and then bigger blobs of Vanguards. I'm now considering dropping all the special weapons in my Vanguard blobs too as they just don't seem to add enough over their standard weapon output. I was totally deleting entire guard units with just five or six Vanguards last weekend.
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May 23, 2018 09:49
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Depends what you want. If you're going full blobs of Rangers then plasma is the better option - arc isn't bad for light vehicles but plasma covers both that and T5 threats really well. For a 5 man sniper unit, go 2 arquebuses and an omnispex. I think in all cases it's never worth it to arm Skitarii Alphas with anything extra, but for a sniper unit of Rangers definitely don't give them anything - it's better to have the extra rifle shot.Serotonin posted:Im feeling much the same as a new Admech player. I'm just running min Ranger unit with arquebus and then bigger blobs of Vanguards. I'm now considering dropping all the special weapons in my Vanguard blobs too as they just don't seem to add enough over their standard weapon output. I was totally deleting entire guard units with just five or six Vanguards last weekend. Plasma owns too hard for me to give it up, it makes marines very upset. If only the special weapons could go on a separate sprue instead of having to buy three boxes or scavenging on eBay. LightReaper posted:I'm going through similar decisions at the moment and I have opted for the data tether instead. The reasoning being if I want to take advantage of the PROTECTOR DOCTRINA IMPERATIVE stratagem(!!) which gives the sniper +2 to hit rolls - I want to make absolutely sure that they hit. Is that a foolish idea? Rolls of 1 always fail and Skitarii are 3+ BS, so that's super overkill. +1 is fine. Having an extra Dominus to hang near them for the rerolls is fun, but probably too expensive on points. The Deleter fucked around with this message at 09:55 on May 23, 2018 |
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May 23, 2018 09:50
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Lungboy posted:I'm building my first unit of Rangers at the moment. Is it best to go 2x transuranic arquebus plus an omnispex? What about Alpha loadout?
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The Deleter posted:For a 5 man sniper unit, go 2 arquebuses and an omnispex. I think in all cases it's never worth it to arm Skitarii Alphas with anything extra, but for a sniper unit of Rangers definitely don't give them anything - it's better to have the extra rifle shot. This was my thinking, but getting the bitz for 2 arquebuses per 5 men is going to cost a fortune. If I'm not giving my alpha any upgrades, is there any need to build my alpha differently to a normal bum? Just use a standard rifle and maybe paint his hood a bit more fancy? Most of the time I can't see it mattering, but for something like the GW tourney at WHW your models must have what they are representing in game, so an Alpha with just a rifle needs just a rifle on the model.
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While we are talking Admech I'm considering dropping my lone Dragoon and adding a unit of Infiltrators in. Feel like they fulfil a similar role and the Infiltrators have more utility. Any views?
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May 23, 2018 10:22
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The Deleter posted:Depends what you want. If you're going full blobs of Rangers then plasma is the better option - arc isn't bad for light vehicles but plasma covers both that and T5 threats really well. For a 5 man sniper unit, go 2 arquebuses and an omnispex. I think in all cases it's never worth it to arm Skitarii Alphas with anything extra, but for a sniper unit of Rangers definitely don't give them anything - it's better to have the extra rifle shot. The +2 is for handling -1 to hit, or in the case of Dragoons it's for proccing their additional hits on 4s instead of 6s.
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May 23, 2018 10:23
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  Shieldwolf making progress on their Sisters vehicles.
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Serotonin posted:While we are talking Admech I'm considering dropping my lone Dragoon and adding a unit of Infiltrators in. Feel like they fulfil a similar role and the Infiltrators have more utility. Dragoons are vastly better, since they're hard and killy enough to bully a variety of targets. Infiltrators aren't as good. They do look super cool though.
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May 23, 2018 10:37
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Shockeh posted:Van Saar jumping out of a Corvus Blackstar, you say? I suspect X-COM would have felt slightly different if the Ranger could drop missiles everywhere.
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May 23, 2018 12:17
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I suspect X-COM would have felt slightly different if the Ranger could drop missiles everywhere. If the Enemy Unknown transport doubled as an active combat unit then half the time my surviving troopers and their alien captive would have been taking a bus home.
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May 23, 2018 12:38
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Corrode posted:Dragoons are vastly better, since they're hard and killy enough to bully a variety of targets. Infiltrators aren't as good. They do look super cool though. Makes sense but currently just running a single Dragoon seems sub optimal. Seems they may work better in twos or threes Edit-didnt even think about them getting a +2 to hit with the data tether. Doh Serotonin fucked around with this message at 12:46 on May 23, 2018 |
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I hope the kids books sell well, because then it's likely they'll release models and rules for the books' protagonists. Not only will the online grogs explode again, but imagine tabling some proud boy's nazi guard army with your gender-neutral multi-racial teenage admech trainee and their wisecracking sarcastic servo-skull sidekick.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I suspect X-COM would have felt slightly different if the Ranger could drop missiles everywhere. I mean, mine basically did with two guys without power armour standing in the back door with blaster launchers and a literal pile of ammunition. Would recommend.
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