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DoctorWhat posted:nobody loving won anything. his fanbase is still rabid and cruel and his legacy is a shitshow. And what, do you want him to tell them to stop?
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Leal posted:And what, do you want him to tell them to stop? Either way, no one here is praising or glorifying his death. But that doesn't stop his history and life from being free from scrutiny. No one said he was doing nefarious or illegal or reprehensible. He was just an rear end in a top hat and pretty open about it.
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May 25, 2018 22:58
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discworld is all I read posted:Yes? Though it might have worked better before his death. And again, you're throwing shade at a dead man. How is that being any less of an rear end in a top hat? Generally one should be the bigger man, but you all want to storm in to get your final licks in to a corpse.
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May 25, 2018 22:59
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It's not as if you can't criticize TotalBiscuit. Even if you remove gamergate from the equation, you can still grill him for acting like a smug know-it-all dick. I know that it was once brought up that ages ago, he used to post here on SA, and did some long diatribe about how he took an IQ test or something. But cripes, like, wait a couple weeks, or a month or something. Plus, if Slowbeef and Jim Sterling are willing to offer condolences to his passing, that must say something redeeming of him.
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May 25, 2018 23:10
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Whatever, I'm ducking out. Ya'll have fun calling a corpse an rear end in a top hat, I can see I'm not gonna convince you that there should should be more tact to a dead man, and you're not gonna convince me that you can be selective in which corpses are fair game to insult. Glory of the internet, everyone digs their heels in and screams "gently caress you" at each other.
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May 25, 2018 23:10
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May 25, 2018 23:17
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Love 'em or hate 'em, TotalBiscuit's death provided a brief reprieve from people tut-tutting Dark Side Phil for not respecting video games enough in this thread. And for that I'm thankful.
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May 25, 2018 23:17
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Cancer is a motherfucker. Nobody deserves it, or death generally. There are some other things that nobody deserves, but that some got anyway. Nobody is obliged to feel any particular way, or say or refrain from saying any particular thing, today (the forum rules notwithstanding).
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May 25, 2018 23:31
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May 25, 2018 23:34
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Leal posted:And again, you're throwing shade at a dead man. How is that being any less of an rear end in a top hat? Generally one should be the bigger man, but you all want to storm in to get your final licks in to a corpse. Being dead doesn’t make you special and whitewashing someone is more disgusting as it’s actually harmful. But if being morally superior is more important to you keep on being a sanctimonious shitheel.
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May 26, 2018 01:30
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TotalBiscuit owned up to his mistakes and strived to become a better person, which he did. We should all be so lucky.
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May 26, 2018 01:44
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There's middle ground between "Don't say anything ill about the dead" and "He's a shithead who deserved to die". I know, SA and the internet and all, but let's try to be respectful and use tact and not scream at each other. You can talk about his flaws/strengths and all that while keeping it civil and not diving into intense anger at the drop of a hat. That said, judge reinhold posted:Love 'em or hate 'em, TotalBiscuit's death provided a brief reprieve from people tut-tutting Dark Side Phil for not respecting video games enough in this thread. And for that I'm thankful. TotalBiscuit died for our sins.
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May 26, 2018 01:48
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not sure how this relates to lovely GBS grave dancers and The Wokest Man Alive
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Dabir posted:not sure how this relates to lovely GBS grave dancers and The Wokest Man Alive Yardbomb posted:Never said anything like it's good he's dead, but it's incredibly uncomfortable to keep having "HE WAS A GOOD BOY, THE MOST ETHICAL GAMES MAN" shoved in my face all day when like, not only are the previously mentioned people's stories around but a friend got harassed like crazy too after some petty spat with them.
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Leal posted:Yeah, you aren't exactly being the paragon of virtue by taking this chance to tap dance on his grave and shout out that he's a terrible person and its good that he is dead. Leal posted:Then whats your angle with bringing that stuff up? Surprise, when somebody that a person likes dies they say nice things about them. Jumping up on a soapbox and going "Well ACTUALLY" is nothing more then an attempt to bring down the mourners. Every time someone tries to pay their respects there is someone who barges in with "Actually he is a gigantic cock" Max Wilco posted:It's not as if you can't criticize TotalBiscuit. Even if you remove gamergate from the equation, you can still grill him for acting like a smug know-it-all dick. I know that it was once brought up that ages ago, he used to post here on SA, and did some long diatribe about how he took an IQ test or something. Leal posted:Whatever, I'm ducking out. Ya'll have fun calling a corpse an rear end in a top hat, I can see I'm not gonna convince you that there should should be more tact to a dead man, and you're not gonna convince me that you can be selective in which corpses are fair game to insult. Glory of the internet, everyone digs their heels in and screams "gently caress you" at each other. Mega64 posted:There's middle ground between "Don't say anything ill about the dead" and "He's a shithead who deserved to die". I know, SA and the internet and all, but let's try to be respectful and use tact and not scream at each other. You can talk about his flaws/strengths and all that while keeping it civil and not diving into intense anger at the drop of a hat. When Justice Scalia died I did a touchdown dance for what felt like 20 minutes straight. Also, people here are shitpoting about a guy on a forum that's breaking the servers if 100,000 people log on at once. It's not like they're saying this stuff at his wife of Jesse and Dodger on Twitter like how when it turned out someone in ChannelAwesome was grooming other co-workers and broke-brained nutjobs then went to ask the victims if it's cool if they still like that guy's stuff.
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Jamesman posted:TotalBiscuit owned up to his mistakes and strived to become a better person, which he did. We should all be so lucky. This, 100%. Even that IQ nonsense people love to bring up here, he joked about and took it in good stride. DoctorWhat posted:nobody loving won anything. his fanbase is still rabid and cruel and his legacy is a shitshow. People utterly unrelated to him other than that they consume his content are bad, and his 'legacy' is bad. Are we talking about the same guy who very vocally slammed bad ports, DMCA abuse, undisclosed advertisements and sponsorships, did so much to support Starcraft 2 e-sports going so far as to fund his own team and running his own tournament? Yeah, he was a bit of a twat at times. Everyone is. Yes, he had strong opinions on certain things. Everyone does. And blaming people that he himself distanced himself from as much as possible? That's just daft. But he was a person who did a lot for a lot of people. RIP TotalBiscuit. It was him mentioning the LP Archive, recommending the God Hand LP by Kung-Fu Jesus, that brought me here in the first place. And this is a place that loves to poo poo on him. Jamesman posted:TotalBiscuit owned up to his mistakes and strived to become a better person, which he did. We should all be so lucky.
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This. It's much healthier to ask why someone's taken a negative stance than to admonish them for taking it. Unless it's directed directly at them you're not helping a grieving family when you try and shut this stuff down. It's also easy to say 'he apologized and grew as a person' if you're not someone who actually suffered abuse because of him.
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May 26, 2018 14:43
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Oh yeah, because TotalBiscuit was like TotalInternetHitler! He caused so many poor little dudes and dudettes to be abused in the many ovens of the internet! He was a NAZI! Or a Nazi supporter or some bullshit like that He was a bad man, that caused bad bad feelings! He said a mean thing on the internet! His IQ was GENIUS level autistic Doesn't that about cover it? I didn't like the dude, but the sperging at him after he died is loving hilarious. There are plenty of other people out there with good/bad opinions to talk about. This is literally beating a dead horse. If he'd done something truly heinous against people or the human race or whatever then cool. poo poo on him unto death...like Hitler and Stalin blah blah blah. But he said things on the internet. Big whoopidy loving do. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Total Biscuit was NOT a horse!
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judge reinhold posted:Total Biscuit was NOT a horse! Redaction: BMS posted:This is literally beating a dead horse's rear end.
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BMS posted:Redaction: I have to go bump that thread in C-Spam thanks to this.
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Does the uncut commentary version of CC&GI’s new MGSV LP contain spoilers for later parts of the game?
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Ariong posted:Does the uncut commentary version of CC&GI’s new MGSV LP contain spoilers for later parts of the game? Nah, it's just poo poo-shooting.
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Considering the best parts of their LPs is Ironicus blindly reacting to things it's for the best too.
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Do chipcheezum and ironicus not post here anymore? I enjoyed a few of their lps.
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ilmucche posted:Do chipcheezum and ironicus not post here anymore? I enjoyed a few of their lps. I think they left during the Great Bitchfit during the whole Shmorky fiasco.
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Dias posted:I think they left during the Great Bitchfit during the whole Shmorky fiasco. Yeah, Voidburger is the girlfriend of ChipCheezum, so its kind of a given they'd have to stop posting here.
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Chip and Ironicus did post their Beyond Good & Evil HD LP here not too long ago, so I'm not sure why they decided to go LP Zone only this time around. I didn't really follow that thread, so I don't know if there was a bunch of shitposting going on or whatever.
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I was pretty sure that the 'Beyond Good and Evil' LP was still here as of a couple months ago while that drama happened over a year ago at this point. I more figured that the LP Zone was more accommodating and he had a closer connection with that than these forums, and it's probably just easier to keep everything to one forum than trying to split it between two?
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discworld is all I read posted:it's probably just easier to keep everything to one forum than trying to split it between two?  (  )
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Doc Morbid posted:My LPs have no problems getting mostly ignored on both forums!
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They still don't let you do it because reddit is stupid and their format is nonsensical. CJacobs cannot post his LPs on reddit, but his 'friend' JCacobs can just fine.
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Even then, I can't imagine you would get any traffic if you could post lps there. It seems very much to be a place for LPers to trade SEO secrets.
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Personally I really don't get that aspect of it either. Is it really such a deep secret-they-don't-want-you-to-know that you can put your username and the name of the game in the tags and people will find your video easier? Surely it's obvious that putting "part 8" in the tags for part 8 of your let's play will make it show up in the recommended videos for part 7.
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CJacobs posted:Personally I really don't get that aspect of it either. Is it really such a deep secret-they-don't-want-you-to-know that you can put your username and the name of the game in the tags and people will find your video easier? Surely it's obvious that putting "part 8" in the tags for part 8 of your let's play will make it show up in the recommended videos for part 7. The goal of people on the LP subreddit is to become the next PewDiePie, Markiplier, Jacksepticeye, etc. They want to become famous and rich by playing video games because it means they don’t have to work a real job. SEO obsession is just one part of their general goal of fame and money, which they attempt to achieve through purely formulaic means.
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Doc Morbid posted:Chip and Ironicus did post their Beyond Good & Evil HD LP here not too long ago, so I'm not sure why they decided to go LP Zone only this time around. I didn't really follow that thread, so I don't know if there was a bunch of shitposting going on or whatever. I don't actually know the LP Zone that well but I'm under the impression that it doesn't have a paywall so that makes it more accessible to people. Also the weirdest part of Voidburger and Psych getting shadowbanned was that they were talking about how hosed up the Shmorky thing was but I'm mostly sure that neither of them actually tagged or @ed- or whatever the term is on Twitter- Lowtax they were just talking.
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Clear up some terminology here: Shadowban: Everything appears normal to you but your posts are not visible to others. A.K.A. Hellban. SA doesn't do this (I have heard of some creative things being done with user permissions but apparently those massively strain the server because radium). Twitter does though. Panel Ban: When admins ban someone directly using the admin panel rather than using the punishment buttons on a post. This was done to Voidburger and PsychEyeball. This can create a rapsheet entry but I think only if a reason is specified, and it won't link to any post. (A telltale sign of a panel-banned user is that they retain their previous avatar but it turns into a link to their rapsheet. This is because radium. More specifically because the rapsheet-link thing is a feature of the "banned" user group but assigning the "banned" avatar is a part of the moderation action.) As far as I know, neither VoidBurger nor PsycheEyeball are permabanned and are welcome to return for  . I don't think anyone ever told them this, though at this point it seems like that no longer matters.
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SEO is treated like an industry secret because ultimately, traffic is supposed to be routed to the place it is most relevant to the user, and, by extension, where it makes the companies the most money. i want to start it off by clarifying that in case someone finds it suitable to go straight to the whole 'greedy corporations late stage capitalism' place, because that's wildly irresponsible in this case. the ultimate goal of these algorithms is to fill peoples' days with stuff they want to watch 100% of the time, because if they want to watch things, they'll tolerate ads (not MANY more, people have a pretty binary limit) and those ads will be worth a lot more money to advertisers. i have actually written these algorithms so the motivation is not a mystery to me. unsurprisingly, though, these algorithms are incredibly hard to reason about. when you make them too simplistic, nobody gets anything that is relevant to them, and when you make them too complicated, you can't provide good data to advertisers about predicted results and your analytics are a lot harder to make work properly. so the overall goal is an 'elegant simpleness' without being simplistic. this balancing act inevitably leads to quirks that make the systems favor certain permutations of terms, certain hierarchies, etc. even the algorithm creators frequently don't know about these things, really - and if they did, they would probably try to engineer them out because these quirks are generally not desirable. they are not desirable precisely because it causes content that adheres to these arcane rules to go viral unfairly, which leads to a lot of resentment among creators and a lot of annoyed disinterest among viewers. these quirks are precisely the ones that gave PDP his current audience - in 2011, algorithms were written to absurdly favor content with what's called "velocity". that is, a certain number of users viewing things, and with a certain percentage of growth. 1000 views in a day isn't interesting if you already have 1 million views, but if you have 100, that's something to take note of, algorithmically speaking. as a result, anyone who could post their poo poo hard enough back in 2011 got bang on effects by the youtube algorithms and got recommended to anyone looking at the same category. turns out that makes you 'go viral' pretty quick. cats who were banging out content on the reg and had a place to post it in 2011 (that is to say, NOBODY here, but PDP, crit1kal, etc) got huge benefits from this mostly-unintended SEO. the thing is, after this was understood, the algorithms changed very quickly. "velocity" is not a very highly valued concept anymore precisely because herd exuberance really only gives positive results for memes that people can ignore trivially. this is why you still see the concept of what's 'trending' on twitter, but it's third or fourth priority on content delivery platforms like youtube or steam. when you're clogging up a content feed with stuff other people are arbitrarily excited about, engagement is low. this is why Steam will prefer to show you older games that match your tags, rather than new or popular releases (1 or 2 of the latter versus 6-8 of the former on any given day on the Store). nevertheless, these quirks are presumed to exist. and if they exist, you really don't want too many people talking about them or using them, since the more publicized it becomes, the more likely the quirks are to change. this is the rationale behind the attitude on reddit. now personally, the problem i have with all of this is that sure, we can definitely agree that these quirks exist, but the quirks are presumed to be able to give you the massive bang-on effects of 2011. this is a rather bold assumption with no real data. consequently, spending so much time trying to 'crack the code' is rather silly because there's no evidence that it would help you much, even if you had a clairvoyant understanding of the technology -which nobody does. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 08:41 on May 28, 2018 |
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