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Dual Monarchy posted:I'm just going to take solace in the fact that Stephen Donnelly defected to the objectively incorrect party He was supposed to restore socialism to Irish politics, not destroy it! 
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To be fair at least this way he'll get a ministerial position in the next government and actually be able to influence the country. Catherine Murphy does good investigative work but the Social Democrats aren't going to achieve anything lasting by refusing to ever go into government.
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Blut posted:To be fair at least this way he'll get a ministerial position in the next government and actually be able to influence the country. Catherine Murphy does good investigative work but the Social Democrats aren't going to achieve anything lasting by refusing to ever go into government. Yes everyone should just join FF or FG
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DepoProvera posted:Yes everyone should just join FF or FG Better yet merge FF and FG into one big party - it's what Pearse would have wanted!
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May 27, 2018 17:12
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 Stephen Donnelly has no convictions and that's what I appreciate about Roisin Shortall. He'll influence the country at the cost of reputation and getting in bed with all the corrupt Fáilers. I doubt it'll happen but it would be really funny if Fianna Fáil split into smaller parties again over this. Either way, a lot of sitting TDs who were against this with lots of egg on their face with their constituencies voting overwhelmingly in favour.
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May 27, 2018 20:18
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Stephen Donnelly is smarmy boiled egg and can gently caress off.
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The number of No supporting TDs who have suddenly seen the light and have indicated they will back the 12 weeks proposal does seem to indicate that some of them where hedging their bets based on what they roughly thought rural Ireland wanted, there are undoubtedly staunch pro-lifers in the party (Butler, O Cuiv) but I doubt the poor showing for No will endear them to try to to break off and go it alone - the legislation vote upcoming will give the No backers who want to try to hurriedly save face an opportunity to say "we've learnt our lesson" and mitigate the damage, though I wouldn't bank on FF making major Dublin inroads next go around
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May 27, 2018 20:45
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I do find it grimly funny that Harris has emerged from this stronger than ever and the CervicalCheck outrage seems to have been defanged
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kustomkarkommando posted:I do find it grimly funny that Harris has emerged from this stronger than ever and the CervicalCheck outrage seems to have been defanged Yeah timing of that couldn't have worked out any sweeter for him. I'm anticipating a leadership run from Harris whenever it looks like Leo has gone off the boil
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May 27, 2018 20:51
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Judging by Donegal if we up North ever get round to having this it's going to be a disaster. I guess what I'm saying is THANKS FOR ABANDONING US WITH THESE LUNATICS, YOU FUCKERS
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There's been a couple of British folks calling for a referendum here (royal college of midwifes etc) - though frankly I don't have a baldies what the referendum would be on exactly; a series of point by point questions on areas to change the law, extending the '67 act, decriminalization? The campaign here has always argued against a referendum because this is a legislative issue in a much more clear cut fashion, I know Stella Creasey is talking about a amendment to force a law change but again hopefully it will focus on decriminalization first and foremost as the local campaign does not particularly want the '67 act and its unique fudgery (and SF has long opposed its introduction here). UK-wide decriminalization is something which can extract the issue from the devolution argument and deliver a crushing hammer blow to the legislative regime here.
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May 27, 2018 22:26
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DepoProvera posted:Stephen Donnelly is smarmy boiled egg and can gently caress off. He sure can. I appreciate Micheal Martin changing his tune on the 8th after listening to evidence but by gently caress I still won't touch FF with a 10ft pole when it comes to voting. Simon Harris deffo got a boost out of this, he might weather this CervicalCheck shambles with the momentum and I can see him stepping up to FG leadership contention down the line if he survives the Dept of Health.
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DepoProvera posted:Yes everyone should just join FF or FG No not at all. Smaller parties in Ireland have been proven to be able to have a very large influence while in government, ie the PDs or Greens. But the problem with the Social Democrats is they had the opportunity to go into this current government in 2016, when they could have extracted a prince's ransom from a desperate FG for their seats. But Shortall in particular was resolutely against it, preferring instead to play the "long game". Which given herself and Catherine Murphy are only likely to last one more election or so given their age is a very risky proposition. Its why I can see the merits of Donnelly's decision to leave, with the crux of his argument being "if you're not willing to go into government now, then when will you be?".
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John McGuirk has been extremely Not Mad and Definitely Not Crying on Twitter today. It's s truly spectacular meltdown but I'm also sorta thinking that it's best if no one engages with any of it and we just let him evaporate into dust like a beloved Marvel character https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1000750664593571840?s=20 This tweet is not a tweet of honor…no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here… nothing valued is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive to us. This message is a warning.
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tbf to Harris, the cervical check thing was before his time (although that's never stopped a sitting Minister from being blamed for something), and once it came to light he moved quickly to begin making amends with the redress scheme etc. It is probably still true though that the timing of it just before the Referendum was fortuitous (or maybe intentional, who knows). God I can't believe I'm defending a Fine Gael government. e: Regarding McGuirk/Ganley et al, I wish people would stop giving them air now. Don't RT them, don't screenshot them about how caremad they are, don't @ them. Just loving ignore them. e2: Also gently caress anyone who gives Donegal poo poo (even jokingly) over the Constituency voting no (and with Roscommon over the Marriage Referendum). Campaigning is tiring, thankless work, and particularly in rural areas it must be extraordinarily difficult. Donegal has been continually hosed over by successive Governments and basically has no job prospects for young people. irlZaphod fucked around with this message at 10:05 on May 28, 2018 |
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May 28, 2018 09:40
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Countdown to the next unusual natural occurrence (like a flash flood or maybe Dooagh beach disappearing, again) being blamed on arlord showing his displeasure 
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May 28, 2018 15:21
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I heard people already saying the lightning storm the other night was God's anger....
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It's rather enjoyable watching the vacuum left by the successful repeal movement suck in every campaign for social or political progress as they all move to pick up the momentum.
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May 28, 2018 15:37
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It'd be nice if we got into a tradition of a monumental piece of socially liberalising legislation/amendment being implemented every 3 years.
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Well Divorce and Blasphemy are still scheduled for October this year - but I doubt that will be much of a fight
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Drugs, sex work and the housing crisis next lads yeah?
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Southpaugh posted:Drugs, sex work and the housing crisis next lads yeah? I see the housing crisis as being the biggest task of those tbh.
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Same, the other two are things easily co opted and monetized by the ruling class, solving the housing crisis, through social housing or even through putting more property on the market takes money out of their pockets.
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Decriminalising drugs (being worked on by Aodhan O Riordan, although I haven't seen much on it lately) and sex work Housing Crisis Secular schools and hospital ownership 27th Amendment
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Decriminalising drugs would be great. But secularising schools and hospitals is probably a more important issue. Its ridiculous how involved the Catholic church is in both of these today.
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Well that was fast: http://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/05/29/flings-duster/ quote:Co-leader Róisín Shortall TD said: Go the SocDems! It'll probably be ignored by FG, but we'll see.
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May 29, 2018 15:54
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“Long fingering exercise” 🤔
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Good on ye Roisin, tho yeah, might've done with better wording.
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I think we've something else which needs fixing pronto https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1001465661888049154 Just seriously shoot all of the religious orders in this country into the sun.
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I mean it's not a great policy as a matter of record, but what's so bad about never knowing you were adopted? Seems like a fairly harmless white lie.
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There can be some medical implications (conditions passed down etc), but I think just in general people who are adopted feel that they have a right to know that, and a right to contact their birth mother/father if they choose to do so.
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Baronjutter posted:I mean it's not a great policy as a matter of record, but what's so bad about never knowing you were adopted? Seems like a fairly harmless white lie. It's illegal, and falsifying govt. documents. And the implication is that the docs were changed for money. And also, if it comes out now that you were adopted, and you now have no way of knowing who your parents are, it can be massively upsetting.
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May 31, 2018 09:52
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Good news! David David is proposing that Northern Ireland lease 10 miles along its borders to Ireland!
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Goodbye Derry
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Samovar posted:Good news! David David is proposing that Northern Ireland lease 10 miles along its borders to Ireland! Did anyone from the DUP drop from an apoplectic fit at the very idea?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44347570 I hope y'all are ready for your first DUP TD in Donegal! 
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I admit I'm a bit of an amateur regarding Irish politics, but... I don't think Arlene there has quite understood why people vote D.U.P. in the first place.
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I've popped into /r/northernireland a couple of times since the vote and there are a shockingly large amount of Unionists taking this narrative and running with it wholesale. If there are any of you out there seriously considering that our community would vote for the people who specifically targeted, oppressed and abused us over a period of the guts of a century because of an abortion vote that passed massively in the country that we want to rejoin - it won't.
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