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MrJacobs posted:My point was killing Johnathan Kent, who had been a fixture of Superman books for a long time wasn't a great idea. it worked for the film, but it took away one of the more interesting aspects about Clark as a person and required some jumping through hoops just to have him show up again. I think perhaps you're substituting "interesting" for "comforting".
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RBA Starblade posted:What the hell is your new av btw Don't try to keep up with the kids, man, it's uncool.
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May 31, 2018 18:41
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I think perhaps you're substituting "interesting" for "comforting". I found it interesting since him losing his father had been shown in a lot of versions, including the Donner version of Superman. Seeing him be able to have a heart to heart with him as well as his mom made the character more interesting to me since how often to you see a superhero able to do that? Aunt May never knew Parker was Spider-Man for a long loving time, and most everyone else was kind of a loner or an Orphan. Are there any other A-listers who can call their folks and get some kind of support when poo poo gets rough?
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May 31, 2018 18:44
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Batman and Alfred springs to mind right away.
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May 31, 2018 18:45
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Barry Allen and his dad.
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May 31, 2018 19:02
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Superman calling his mom in the middle of the night because he doesn't know what to do is great. That might be my favorite bit of characterization in any comic book movie.
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May 31, 2018 19:04
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MrJacobs posted:I found it interesting since him losing his father had been shown in a lot of versions, including the Donner version of Superman. Seeing him be able to have a heart to heart with him as well as his mom made the character more interesting to me since how often to you see a superhero able to do that? Aunt May never knew Parker was Spider-Man for a long loving time, and most everyone else was kind of a loner or an Orphan. Thor
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May 31, 2018 19:09
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The problem here of course is that you don't realize the movies are contingent, and the authors could have done anything with the storyline rather than have the "heroes" return to their bullshit rebellion. They're a rebellion on the brink of death of which this group is attempting a last ditch effort to help. You're asking them to write the movie about completely different things, not just a more altruistic ending. That's not criticism or critical thought, that's fan fiction. bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 19:19 on May 31, 2018 |
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May 31, 2018 19:17
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bushisms.txt posted:They're a rebellion on the brink of death of which this group is attempting a last ditch effort to help. You're asking them to write the movie about completely different things, not just a more altruistic ending. That's not criticism or critical thought, that's fan fiction. It's a rebellion that deserves death. It would be good if the creators wrote stories about actual heroics instead. The same applies to the Avengers franchise.
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May 31, 2018 19:27
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Beavis should've ended with Batman dying after sacrificing his life, not Superman.
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May 31, 2018 19:30
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Davros1 posted:Beavis should've ended with Batman dying after sacrificing his life, not Superman. Beavis should have been the 5th or 6th movie in the franchise, not the 2nd
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May 31, 2018 19:33
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NTRabbit posted:Beavis should have been the 5th or 6th movie in the franchise, not the 2nd Third at most, and blame Warner Brothers for it
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May 31, 2018 19:36
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They could have just made it a good movie and people wouldn't care what order it was in.
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May 31, 2018 19:40
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NTRabbit posted:Beavis should have been the 5th or 6th movie in the franchise, not the 2nd It is. Christopher Nolan made three Batman movies. That makes Beavis the fifth movie.
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May 31, 2018 19:41
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It is. Christopher Nolan made three Batman movies. That makes Beavis the fifth movie.
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May 31, 2018 19:44
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They could have just made it a good movie and people wouldn't care what order it was in. This is also a strong point
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May 31, 2018 19:45
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If you haven't caught the discussion before (and I don't blame you) a good chunk of us believe that "cinematic universe" is nothing more than a marketing term. The "universe" is one of theme, not of cannon. See for example: Batman 1989/Batman Returns vs Batman Forever/Batman and Robin.
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May 31, 2018 19:46
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I think if they took Wonder woman and YouTube trailers out of the film it would have been markedly improved.
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May 31, 2018 19:47
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I really liked Wonder Woman in the movie, but yeah, if I had to make one change to BvS it would be the superhero trailers. There are funny aspects to them (mostly that Luthor branded them) but they don't add much for me.
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May 31, 2018 19:49
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:I think if they took Wonder woman and YouTube trailers out of the film it would have been markedly improved. SMG did his best to try to justify them and I like his explanation, but I think it just absolutely slaughters the momentum of the film. If they had even moved that scene before Lex Luthor's diatribe to Superman it would have been more tolerable. Superman flies off to fight Batman, the plot reaches fever pitch...we cut to a hotel room where we dick around for 5 minutes watching previews of Justice League.
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May 31, 2018 19:50
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Crows Turn Off posted:You aren't actually implying that Man Of Steel and the DCEU movies following it are part of Nolan's Batman timeline, are you? We are talking about franchises, not timelines.
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May 31, 2018 19:51
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NTRabbit posted:Beavis should have been the 5th or 6th movie in the franchise, not the 2nd Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They could have just made it a good movie and people wouldn't care what order it was in. Both points are partially accurate. WB mangled the movie at the last minute to cut 20+ minutes out of it to get more showings per day, so it feels like there's stuff missing or that it is rushed. That gives the impression that we needed some Batman standalone movie to prepare us for the idea that Batman would react super weirdly/badly to his friends and family dying in a way that is beyond his control. Crows Turn Off posted:You aren't actually implying that Man Of Steel and the DCEU movies following it are part of Nolan's Batman timeline, are you? The idea seems to be that 1) the MCU succeeded because it gave everyone the backstories for these characters before the big teamup and that 2) BvS needed to also do that (although 4 or 5 previous movies seems wayyy excessive). So while Nolan's movies aren't "canon" to the current universe, they give you enough of a background on an aging Batman who has finally figured out how to step away from the cowl, only to be brought back by a massive tragedy.
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May 31, 2018 19:54
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:I think if they took Wonder woman and YouTube trailers out of the film it would have been markedly improved. They were Quicktime files, sir! .FLV couldn't contain Cyborg! Only a .MP4 could hold that kind of power.
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May 31, 2018 19:55
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:SMG did his best to try to justify them and I like his explanation, but I think it just absolutely slaughters the momentum of the film. If they had even moved that scene before Lex Luthor's diatribe to Superman it would have been more tolerable. Superman flies off to fight Batman, the plot reaches fever pitch...we cut to a hotel room where we dick around for 5 minutes watching previews of Justice League. Even if the trailers weren't dumb, the fact that they decided to have an extended 20+ minute climax AND cut away in the middle of the climax to spend 5 minutes watching Wonder Woman scroll through a folder and double-click quicktime files is a baffling editing, writing, and directing choice. A 20+ minute climax is inevitably going to lose momentum after a certain point, but going out of your way to kill it makes no sense.
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May 31, 2018 19:59
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Bruce Wayne not having the mansion is to put us in mind of Dark Knight Batman, who has gone full corporate and operates a batcave out of Wayne Enterprises with the assistance of Lucius Fox. So when Zod/Superman tank the Wayne Enteprises building, killing the Lucius Fox exec figure, it's not just an attack on Bruce Wayne. It's implicitly an attack on Batman, who has had to skulk back up to the shadow of the burned-out mansion to his backup Batcave.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:We are talking about franchises, not timelines.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Even if the trailers weren't dumb, the fact that they decided to have an extended 20+ minute climax AND cut away in the middle of the climax to spend 5 minutes watching Wonder Woman scroll through a folder and double-click quicktime files is a baffling editing, writing, and directing choice. Yeah another legit problem I have with the film - and the thing that makes it a lesser movie to Man of Steel IMO - is that the movie's arc seemed to be "Can Superman convince this broken man - a stand-in for society - in his power for good?" And...he does! Hell yeah! And then we spend another hour goofin' off with Human Cudgel Batman and Troll Doomsday. I mean, I wouldn't want to miss the Batman Warehouse Fight and Superman vs Doomsday Laser Eye Battle, but from a thematic point everything that comes after it feels a bit perfunctory (until Superman rides the lightning, of course, which is right back on theme)
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Crows Turn Off posted:I mean, I thought it was pretty clear he was referring to the current generation not the Batman movies as a whole. If you do that, then you might as well including Batman 66, Burton's Batman generation, the animated movies.... It isn’t exactly an entire generation between now and The Dark Knight Rises in 2012.
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Crows Turn Off posted:I mean, I thought it was pretty clear he was referring to the current generation not the Batman movies as a whole. If you do that, then you might as well including Batman 66, Burton's Batman generation, the animated movies.... I mean, why not? Marvel obviously thought Spider-Man had been well established enough to put him in a crossover movie without first being established in the MCU canon. We don't really need specific moments from canon Batman's life in order to appreciate BvS more, we just need to know what he is about and why seeing a building full of his employees destroyed would cause him to go on an insane crusade. Any Batman media would be sufficient for that, the Nolan movies were just recent and super popular, and kind of segue perfectly into the opening of BvS (Bruce is basically retired from Batmaning and only returns because of a second traumatic event on the level of his parents being murdered).
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May 31, 2018 20:11
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And then they cast Ben Affleck.
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May 31, 2018 20:14
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Ben Affleck was good though Although I agree they couldn't have cast a person more designed to piss off nerds
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Affleck's performance was better suited for a Schumacher Batman film.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Ben Affleck was good though Work with me on this Just Stay with me Idris Elba Batman
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May 31, 2018 20:24
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Burkion posted:Work with me on this Only if he does his American accent that inexplicably slips into a British accent halfway through each sentence from Pacific Rim as the Batman voice.
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May 31, 2018 20:26
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Burkion posted:Work with me on this Elba would've been good for either Batman or Superman. Denzel Washington would've been a far better choice than Affleck.
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Davros1 posted:Affleck's performance was better suited for a Schumacher Batman film. He's amazing in the attack on metropolis scene. He establishes himself as Batman without the suit and toys while the audience is being launched into the middle of a disaster movie climax.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:SMG did his best to try to justify them and I like his explanation, but I think it just absolutely slaughters the momentum of the film. If they had even moved that scene before Lex Luthor's diatribe to Superman it would have been more tolerable. Superman flies off to fight Batman, the plot reaches fever pitch...we cut to a hotel room where we dick around for 5 minutes watching previews of Justice League. It's placement in the film is so bad that I'm almost convinced Snyder did it as a joke after being told it had to be in the movie
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Almost Blue posted:It's placement in the film is so bad that I'm almost convinced Snyder did it as a joke after being told it had to be in the movie I believe I saw an interview with him where he really did seem to be keen on the idea. I can't find it though and keep in mind I've jumbled my memories before.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I believe I saw an interview with him where he really did seem to be keen on the idea. I can't find it though and keep in mind I've jumbled my memories before. He seems to think it was great, especially Cyborg. According to his wife, it wasn't in the original script and Snyder added it in himself during filming. quote:I think that one of the more intriguing hidden gems comes when the film is introducing the audience to other Justice League heroes. That’s the first glimpse of the Mother Box there. It was an agonizing birth. I really wanted to show Cyborg’s birth because I feel like he plays such a strong part coming up, and I really wanted to give a sense of him. I really want [the audience] to know how far he’s come. Like many births, it’s both miraculous — and painful. This is what his wife said about how they decided to add the Flash dream and the Wonder Woman PC browsing: quote:This was kind of the opposite [of Breaking Bad] because we had the script and it wasn’t in the script. As we started then we worked on our script, I think we were in the middle of shooting and we started working on the outline for the next movie and where they go, and Zack said, ‘Oh my God let’s add this moment that is gonna pay off down the road, and we’ll find out more information.’
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