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learnincurve posted:Why the gently caress are people deliberately ignoring that cycle helmets are rated to 12mph and will be as useless as a chocolate teapot over that speed, all they are are plastic wrapped polystyrene, not Kevlar. learnincurve posted:Im at one with the idea that people are being deliberately obtuse in ignoring that bike helmets are only rated for a fall off of a bike going 12mph, and not rated for being hit by a car going 60. No, the rating is because when you fall off a bike, your head is likely to hit the ground at a speed of 12 mph because of gravity. The speed at which you're riding has nothing to do with the rating, since gravity pulls downward and people don't generally ride into walls with their heads first. If you factor in a car any rating is meaningless because a car will kill you no matter how much "kevlar" you're wearing.
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So what we're saying is the main problem with helmets is psychological. Both the increased likelihood of the cyclist to act like a daredevil but also that other road users, car drivers are, for whatever reason, more likely to act unsafely around a helmeted cyclist. The solution is car drivers who do not suffer from this peculiar flaw, the answer is robot cars as I said last week.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Lots of non-cyclists in this thread getting remarkably heated over the choices that people who do cycle make about wearing or not wearing a helmet There are EU countries with a hefty fine for children not wearing a helmet while cycling, or for that matter skiing. It did help lower the injury rate somewhat actually.
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I do have to wonder what is going on in the mind of a driver that sees someone wearing a helmet and thinks "hmm, yes, I can drive closer to them, because the helmet protects them" I can only assume they own a lot of magical talismans to keep tigers away.
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May 31, 2018 19:40
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Why does cyclist chat always bring the worst out of UKMT?
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OwlFancier posted:I do have to wonder what is going on in the mind of a driver that sees someone wearing a helmet and thinks "hmm, yes, I can drive closer to them, because the helmet protects them" it's probably that if you look like someone who's bad at cycling then people will assume you're going to fall off at any moment and give you a wider berth
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May 31, 2018 19:44
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Rarity posted:Why does cyclist chat always bring the worst out of UKMT? It's because all cyclists are arseholes, just like all drivers are The difference is only one set of arseholes tend to get killed in the interaction between the two
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Private Speech posted:There are EU countries with a hefty fine for children not wearing a helmet while cycling, or for that matter skiing. It did help lower the injury rate somewhat actually. We have one. Unfortunately, there's nothing in the law about making helmets available, so I'm effectively banned from cycling because nobody will sell me one.
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May 31, 2018 19:46
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Rarity posted:Why does cyclist chat always bring the worst out of UKMT?
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XMNN posted:it's probably that if you look like someone who's bad at cycling then people will assume you're going to fall off at any moment and give you a wider berth I assume that's going to happen anyway and I don't see why wearing a helmet makes you look better at cycling, surely it means you expect to fall off?? Plus how do you even see whether they're wearing a helmet cos they always have their heads buried in the handlebars and their arses in the air. All I ever see is a pair of lycra shorts wiggling up and down. I entirely believe there are insane people out there who believe that helmets are like a magic circle against cars +1 but I can't say I understand them.
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Skarsnik posted:It's because all cyclists are arseholes, just like all drivers are
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Rarity posted:Why does cyclist chat always bring the worst out of UKMT? Well the worst parties to this have their sandwiches cut in the wrong way, with a side of the wrong monster munch (not even the "meh" ones) and they also mispronounce scone Doomed etc
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Bloody hell 300-odd posts in a few hours, what’s happening in British politics? Oh. It’s loving bike chat again.
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May 31, 2018 19:49
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OwlFancier posted:I do have to wonder what is going on in the mind of a driver that sees someone wearing a helmet and thinks "hmm, yes, I can drive closer to them, because the helmet protects them" Is there much evidence this is true? I can only find a story about one guy who rode through Bristol on a handful of occasions and measured the gap cars left for him. I can certainly see it being true, but it's hardly a wealth of evidence. I mean he put on a blonde wig and used that to extrapolate that women get given more space, instead of using an actual woman. He's a few steps from being published in Nature. A Buttery Pastry posted:Implant all cyclists with bombs that trigger on serious injury. If there's one thing this thread tells us it's that cyclists have enough triggers.
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DesperateDan posted:Well the worst parties to this have their sandwiches cut in the wrong way, with a side of the wrong monster munch (not even the "meh" ones) and they also mispronounce scone loving pickled onion monster munch dammit I'm triggered
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May 31, 2018 19:51
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*shrug* no idea but it doesn't sound any stupider than anything else I expect people to do on a regular basis.
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cycling chat needs to be added to the banned topics jfc
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May 31, 2018 19:54
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When I was driving into and out of Weymouth, there were matrix signs advising of a weather warning and some nasty looking clouds seemed to be forming up, but it looks like I missed it. And then when I went to leave Weymouth, my satnav honestly said my second best choice of route to go home was to drive to Lymington, catch a ferry to Yarmouth on the Isle Of Wight, drive from Yarmouth to Fishbourne, then get a ferry back to Portsmouth. I love technology
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May 31, 2018 19:57
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Jose posted:guardian at least giving the 2 actually major bits of news the headlines I admire the protest, but I hope they used fake pills. Authenticity is awesome but you might as well avoid the two weeks of abdominal cramps and vaginal bleeding, no-one's gonna know.
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CoolCab posted:cause it will be stolen and/or smashed, people are dicks Hence the lock. I feel if they're going to steal/smash your helmet they'll do the same to your bike tbh
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May 31, 2018 20:00
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May 31, 2018 20:02
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I feel like mandatory helmets and five point safety harnesses in cars would save more lives than mandatory cycle helmets
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Are cycle helmets zero-rated for VAT? I know motorcycle helmets are, as are other items of legally-mandated PPE like hard hats and steel-toecap boots, but motorbike leathers aren't as they're not a legal requirement for riding on the road. Yes they are, as long as they're up to EU safety standards and stamped accordingly.
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bump_fn posted:its biscuit chat now discuss this chart and why you think its wrong A Jaffa Cake is, by definition, a cake.
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bump_fn posted:its biscuit chat now discuss this chart and why you think its wrong That might actually be the wrongest chart I've ever come across if applied to me. Party Boat posted:five point safety harnesses in cars Those things look great honestly and I kinda want one.
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bump_fn posted:its biscuit chat now discuss this chart and why you think its wrong fig roll is my favourite of those and everyone in gbs is well aware of my thoughts about pegging
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't that just "wear a motorcycle helmet" ? The fundamental problem with bicycle helmets is they don't protect anything like enough of the head:  Here's a diagram showing the most common impact zones on a motorcycle helmet. Obviously the standout area there is the face - almost a half of impacts with absolutely no protection - but the actual killers are the areas at the bottom/back of the head. Injuries there are almost always serious, and almost no bicycle helmets cover that area. You don't actually have to abide by the ECE motorcycle helmet standards - in particular the abrasion resistance, which adds a considerable amount of weight and basically requires the helmet shell to be unbroken. You're unlikely to be sliding along at 100kph, which is the basis of the ECE standards, after a bicycle crash and if you are there are going to be a lot more problems. Of course a mostly-unbroken helmet shell is going to be loving terrible for ventilation, and a large solid chinbar likewise. You absolutely *can* make helmets that match ECE standards for impact and penetration resistance but still allow proper ventilation for cooling and breathing, and indeed Bell and Troy Lee both sell lightened versions of their MX helmets for that purpose. They also look way cooler than normal bike helmets: 
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^^depends on your mood I guess?Tijuana Bibliophile posted:none of those look remotely edible All your favourite biscuits, lovingly rendered as clip art.
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Wear your loving bike helmets Jesus Christ. You're one erratic pedestrian brandishing a bag away from a wheelchair.goddamnedtwisto posted:Here's a diagram showing the most common impact zones on a motorcycle helmet. Obviously the standout area there is the face - almost a half of impacts with absolutely no protection - but the actual killers are the areas at the bottom/back of the head. Injuries there are almost always serious, and almost no bicycle helmets cover that area. I've never seen a bike helmet that didn't extend so far out the back that it let the back of the head strike the ground before the back of the helmet/shoulders. It would have to be like a precision landing across a guard rail. Katt fucked around with this message at 20:10 on May 31, 2018 |
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goddamnedtwisto What’s the mouth ventilation like on that for breathing? (Also it’s exact name so I can google?)
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The fundamental problem with bicycle helmets is they don't protect anything like enough of the head: Ah yeah I've seen cycle cross people wear those I think and they're sensible, big spur to stop your face smashing into everything. I'd probably want one of those if I was on a bike.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:none of those look remotely edible gently caress off. And yes, Cafe Noir is truly the Neutral Evil biscuit
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Party Boat posted:I feel like mandatory helmets and five point safety harnesses in cars would save more lives than mandatory cycle helmets Not likely. I've said it before but cars are basically magic boxes of survival these days. Multiple airbags, seatbelt pretensioners, crumple zones, side-impact bars, automatic braking, etc. etc. A new Mercedes will even use the stereo to play a very loud burst of 'pink noise' the instant before a crash, because it's been shown to protect your ears against hearing damage from the noise of the impact. It can't really be overstated how much safer you are in a multi-million pound engineered cocoon of protection than riding about with or without a polystyrene box on your head. jabby fucked around with this message at 20:15 on May 31, 2018 |
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learnincurve posted:goddamnedtwisto What’s the mouth ventilation like on that for breathing? (Also it’s exact name so I can google?) It's a Bell Full 9 but make sure you're sitting down before you see the price - it's at the pricey end even for motorbike helmets. I've not used one personally, I have a nice sensible Shoei GT-Air, but MX helmets in general are very very good for breathing - the beak is entirely open at top and bottom, so it's no impediment at all.
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There is so much impact protection on my parents Nissan cash ki (not know how to spell it) fake 4x4 thing that there is less room inside than a Ford Focus.
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