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Wheat Loaf posted:What I heard was that he wanted to do Man of Steel 2, then Batman v Superman, but WB wanted Batman in because MoS hadn't been as successful as they wanted it to be whereas Dark Knight Rises made a billion dollars. One of the thing Snyder came out on social media about was that his plan was to got MoS -> BvS -> JLpt1 -> JLpt2 -> unknown fifth movie. Given the amount of details he's shared over the past two months or so I'd say that Batman V Superman coming after Man of Steel was always his plan. You don't put that amount of tlc on a studio mandated project.
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I think the major misstep was the decision to rush into their team up film as the second outing in their new universe. A Batman film, a Superman sequel, WW and then JL would have been a far better plan but everyone saw those Avengers box office numbers and thought they could do that right away.
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May 31, 2018 22:27
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Sgt. Politeness posted:I don't agree with most people's criticism of Wonder Woman, I really liked it. I thought it was good up until the Ares fight. That just seemed like every other superhero fight.
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May 31, 2018 22:41
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Vintersorg posted:Man of Steel gets poo poo on for being "SO BAD" yet is still discussed to this day about it's themes and what things meant. And the discussion is a 3/1 split of people saying it's poo poo to people trying to defend it. What's better, people spending a few months talking about how much they liked something and then only bringing it up when it's relevant, or people constantly making GBS threads on a movie and it's defenders trying to assign worth to it anyway? And more importantly, why?
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May 31, 2018 22:44
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Works being discussed don't really mean they are good, yeah, it just means you have some combative people who like it.
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May 31, 2018 22:46
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David D. Davidson posted:One of the thing Snyder came out on social media about was that his plan was to got MoS -> BvS -> JLpt1 -> JLpt2 -> unknown fifth movie. Given the amount of details he's shared over the past two months or so I'd say that Batman V Superman coming after Man of Steel was always his plan. You don't put that amount of tlc on a studio mandated project. Maybe it was by the time MoS released, but it certainly wasn’t always the plan. MoS wasn’t intended to be part of a broader shared universe at all, and Snyder said as much a couple months before it started filming.
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site posted:i like this notion that winter soldier, and movie that is extremely clear about its anti-surveillance, anti-militarization stance and both their connections to fascism, and is widely regarded as one of, if not the best marvel movie actually does not have any message to discuss nor is it popular FlamingLiberal posted:Black Panther made more money than JL
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May 31, 2018 23:14
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The first 1/3 was okay, the middle 1/3 was good, but the last 1/3 was bad. The weak part isn't a whole third. Rhyno posted:I think the major misstep was the decision to rush into their team up film as the second outing in their new universe. A Batman film, a Superman sequel, WW and then JL would have been a far better plan but everyone saw those Avengers box office numbers and thought they could do that right away. Eh, WB failing to do it has nothing to do with how many lead up movies they did. Especially when your movie only has 1 character (Cyborg) the general public doesn't already know all about. They've done introducing the entire Justice League in a 90 minute movie about 4 times, usually with 2 extra characters even. And they were all better than Justice League.
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I thought BvS and Justice League were ok. It's just that I have no desire to ever watch them again in any capacity. Granted, I also don't have any desire to watch Wonder Woman again. To be honest, the most positive I came out of a DCEU movie was Suicide Squad. It was so bad and I liked it so much. A.I. Borgland Corp posted:That's Kelly, he's the Onion's political cartoonist I'm familiar. Though admittedly it's because of the edits for Final Fantasy XIV.
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May 31, 2018 23:28
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Aphrodite posted:Especially when your movie only has 1 character (Cyborg) the general public doesn't already know all about. I disagree, there's an entire generation that watched Teen Titans, he might be as well known as Flash and Aquaman.
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Rhyno posted:I disagree, there's an entire generation that watched Teen Titans, he might be as well known as Flash and Aquaman. Yeah but I figure the audience for this stuff is closer to 40.
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Aphrodite posted:Yeah but I figure the audience for this stuff is closer to 40. I have no idea but I saw a ton of chatter about Cyborg saying "booyah" in the film.
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Y'know what I think? They shouldn't have rebooted after Green Lantern. ...look, hear me out. I know that film wasn't super great and wasn't leading anywhere particularly great. But part of the problem of the current DCEU is that it didn't have the pieces set up that well, because they keep having to start from scratch even after setting things up already. And one thing the GL film did do was set up this world and this character. The work is already done. Just recast the guy if you have to, or bring in John Stewart and say that he took over for Hal, or whatever, but don't just throw out the work that you already did 'cuz buddy, it's not like you got that much you can spare! I understand that WB probably omitted the GL character for Justice League because they didn't want to associate their masterpiece crossover with that film that no one likes. But isn't it kind of dumb that the one C-list team member that they already had a film for is also the one that they wouldn't put on the roster?
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Well as of Deadpool 2, Green Lantern never happened.
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Ryan Reynolds would’ve been a better Guy Gardner and Deadpool just proves it 
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I remember thinking that when they cast him. But I also thought Chris Evans was going to be wasted on serious Captain America and I was wrong about that.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:I remember thinking that when they cast him. Not gonna lie, sometimes I watch Captain's Orders when I'm feeling down. I love that scene so much.
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zoux posted:Lay off Star Lord says Chris Pratt Star-Lord sucks and Chris Pratt sucks
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Jun 1, 2018 07:50
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Nasty foul thoughts from an anus.
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Which movies, from any studio, do you think have the most creative or impressive use of powers? One thing that I think the First Class movies do very well is powers. The dystopia-future stuff in DoFP are as good as I've seen, I think.
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'Wanted' and 'Twilight'.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:The steel ban is cause everyone was losing their fuckin poo poo, people seem to be being call and respectful about this in their disagreements Underrated imo. A ton of kids are gonna be citing that as their Goonies in a few years I think.
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Jun 1, 2018 15:15
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The moratorium of steel also applies to China, Canada and Mexico now.
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zoux posted:Lay off Star Lord says Chris Pratt I agree with Chris Pratt. I though sacrificing a bunch of Wakanda lives to keep Vision alive was a much more egregious thing. I’ll defend the Star Lord part all day
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Jun 1, 2018 15:18
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The only casting I haven't enjoyed for a Marvel movie is Norton as Banner. Luckily we have Ruffalo now.
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zoux posted:Which movies, from any studio, do you think have the most creative or impressive use of powers? One thing that I think the First Class movies do very well is powers. The dystopia-future stuff in DoFP are as good as I've seen, I think. At least out of the MCU I think this was a high point of the Avengers. Stuff like Thor charging up Iron Man's suit and all the team up attacks in the final battle was very cool. You get some of that in Infinity War also with the battle on Titan. Mostly super powers aren't weird enough though.
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Star Lord owns and Chris Pratt owns Characters who do not always make perfect decisions are the most interesting to watch
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Aphrodite posted:The moratorium of steel also applies to China, Canada and Mexico now. But not Korea because Trump is a marvel fanboy and he knows lots of Marvel scenes are in Korea
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Mulva posted:And the discussion is a 3/1 split of people saying it's poo poo to people trying to defend it. What's better, people spending a few months talking about how much they liked something and then only bringing it up when it's relevant, or people constantly making GBS threads on a movie and it's defenders trying to assign worth to it anyway? If people would just say "I liked BvS", either in a "because this thing was cool" or "despite it's flaws" way, it wouldn't be an issue. The problem arises when people try to argue that the really blatant flaws actually don't exist, and that the critics just don't understand what makes the movie work, and then ignore any and all demonstrations that show, "No, we got the intent and symbolism, it just didn't work and here is why." Like, I argue about this movie a lot, likely too much, but I'm never doing it to try to convince someone that their wrong for liking the movie, or to claim they HAVE to like the Marvel films more. I just get tired of reading really flawed arguments in it's favor, while decent arguments against it are dismissed as a matter of course. Like what you want, but if your going to keep going to bat for a largely unpopular film, you need a better argument than "you just don't understand." I mean, look at the reverse. It's not uncommon for someone who doesn't like the Marvel films to point out how often they use similar narrative formulas. These discussions usually don't last long because, well, even the fans recognize that as a legitimate point, at least for the origin films, so it's not worth arguing against. It's only when really out there and unsubstantiated claims are made, like Winter Soldier somehow being forgettable, that any kind of pushback occurs, and even then it's only a handful of posts making fun of the opinion.
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Winter Soldier is pretty forgettable. It doesn't really have any super impressive or interesting aesthetic considerations and it's entire thesis ultimately is 'freedom is difficult to maintain and Obama sucks' and most people know both of these things already.Fangz posted:Stuff like Thor charging up Iron Man's suit and all the team up attacks in the final battle This is lame and there are two, if you stretch your definition of a team-up.
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zoux posted:Which movies, from any studio, do you think have the most creative or impressive use of powers? One thing that I think the First Class movies do very well is powers. The dystopia-future stuff in DoFP are as good as I've seen, I think. There's something greater than the sum of its parts about the fight Hulk has against the sound cannons in Incredible Hulk when they're on the university grounds (UofT!). I know most fans prefer the brief bout he has with Blonsky as part of the same scene but it's the sound cannon part that does it for me. I guess this would classify as "impressive use" of powers for Hulk being able to withstand it and then destroy the trucks, including an off-the-turnbuckle-style elbow drop.
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Dan Didio posted:Winter Soldier is pretty forgettable. It doesn't really have any super impressive or interesting aesthetic considerations and it's entire thesis ultimately is 'freedom is difficult to maintain and Obama sucks' and most people know both of these things already. Case in point. I'd LOVE to go further into this, but I think site had a nice, concise response to your criticisms. site posted:i like this notion that winter soldier, a movie that is extremely clear about its anti-surveillance, anti-militarization stance and both their connections to fascism, and is widely regarded as one of, if not the best marvel movie actually does not have any message to discuss nor is it popular
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I am somehow less than shocked by this development. https://twitter.com/ercboxoffice/status/1002574881332981760?s=21
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Dan Didio posted:Winter Soldier is pretty forgettable. It doesn't really have any super impressive or interesting aesthetic considerations and it's entire thesis ultimately is 'freedom is difficult to maintain and Obama sucks' and most people know both of these things already. TWS has some of the best MCU Cap moments that we will ever see. And the "this isn't freedom, this is fear"speech. It's far from forgettable
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It could be some recency bias, but Domino in Deadpool 2 is definitely one of the most impressive on film. Quicksilver was great in all of his Fox Marvel appearances. Creative is a bit tougher, I feel like most powers translate to film how I would expect them to. Except maybe Wanda since her powers have always confused me.
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Every Avengers movie has at least one good power combo, but everyone ganging up on Thanos while Strange portals them around and makes things for them to jump off of was a standout. Pretty much anything with Strange in that movie, really. E:Ant Man, too. The tank keychain not being a keychain was brilliant. Obvious, but it was a fantastic idea.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Every Avengers movie has at least one good power combo, but everyone ganging up on Thanos while Strange portals them around and makes things for them to jump off of was a standout. Yeah as much as AoU sucks, the moment where Tony, Thor and Vision all simultaneously blast Ultron rules hard.
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I thought Iron Man's use of his powers when he went balls out for a single drop of blood against Thanos was extremely impressive. Just pulling out every single trick the suit could do, all the tech, it was really cool looking.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:everyone ganging up on Thanos while Strange portals them around and makes things for them to jump off of was a standout. Pete yelling "magic" each time he went through a portal was a delight.
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