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The actual number of homeless people in Israel is over ten times the number in that image. It's just that strict government criteria over the definition of "homeless" excludes 90% of homeless people from the Ministry of Welfare's programs. (source) Groups not counted include minors, released prisoners, homeless families, domestic violence victims, people who don't look dirty and beaten (no, I'm not exaggerating with this one!), and more. Basically, only those who are completely incapable of bettering their situation, people who are obviously going to be permanently homeless due to an inability to function in society, are counted as "homeless" by Israeli authorities (and they're also the only ones who are eligible for homeless welfare programs). No discussion of free education in Israel is complete without the massive disparity in spending between Jewish schools and Arab schools. Although the gap has narrowed over the past two decades, Israel's per-student spending is still 20% lower for Arab students than for Jewish students. And so on, and so forth. You can try to make Israel out as some kind of progressive wonderland, but it has a serious inequality problem, with a rich-poor divide rivaling that of the US.
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I was given a pro-Israeli pamphlet in Helsinki, Finland and its primary arguments for how the Israeli treatment of Palestinians can't be genocide are that - Gaza has a lower population density than the Warsaw ghetto, and - Gaza's population is growing, not going down In other words, the defense against the charge of genocide is that the genocide isn't efficient enough to be called genocide. That struck me as rather innovative. Maybe I should screencap and translate choice bits of it, but I have a feeling it's already translated from English in the first place and there's not really anything else novel in it (like the logic of Israel simultaneously being at war with Palestinians yet Palestinians are not a sovereign entity Israel could be at war with; Palestinians don't have enough water because
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Many of these are inaccurate, and also you pay us just to kill palestinians. It was posted by Americans most likely. And besides being wrong it’s also ironic in that the very pro Israel folks in the USA probably voted for Trump.
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VideoGameVet posted:It was posted by Americans most likely. And besides being wrong it’s also ironic in that the very pro Israel folks in the USA probably voted for Trump. This isn't necessarily true. I shouldn't have been surprised but was profoundly disappointed that the liberals I know from Jewish family functions are posting pro-BLM stuff online and blaming Palestinians for getting murdered at the same time. Nationalism is a hell of a drug.
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Jun 3, 2018 23:50
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Nebalebadingdong posted:This isn't necessarily true. I shouldn't have been surprised but was profoundly disappointed that the liberals I know from Jewish family functions are posting pro-BLM stuff online and blaming Palestinians for getting murdered at the same time. All I know is from my contacts. The lefties are posting the Gaza news with a sense of horror, the Republicans are gleeful about the deaths.
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Jun 4, 2018 02:41
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Sulphagnist posted:It's ominously called "Israel - the only democracy in the Middle East." lol "Israel - the only democracy in the Middle East. Since Tunisia is NORTH AFRICA, and Cyprus is IN THE EU. So DON'T THINK TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS STATEMENT."
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Grape posted:lol also if we're going with roughly Israeli definitions of democratic, turkey is in europe, except when it's not lebanon doesn't exist and that's without me being a disingenous rear end in a top hat and citing Morocco (constitutional monarchy!) / Iran / Egypt or a slightly more disingenuous rear end in a top hat: Algeria, prewar Syria, prewar Yemen, Kuwait (also constitutional monarchy!), Iraq* * - arguably more democratic than the previous category, but there are a few logistical issues
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Jun 4, 2018 06:00
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Turkey threw out the legit d card recently, and Lebanon is uh spotty to say the least. The other two are straight up bonafides, one of which has been that way for decades but yet still the Israeli nationalists endlessly roll that old chestnut out. But of course the subtext is the best anyway, "We're actually the only civilized country in the area, so you see it's actually fine if we act nothing like that at all."
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Jun 4, 2018 08:38
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Grape posted:Lebanon is uh spotty to say the least. No more than an apartheid-practicing racial supremacist ethnocracy.
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Jun 4, 2018 12:48
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Cat Mattress posted:No more than an apartheid-practicing racial supremacist ethnocracy. Yeah, this is part of what I was actually saying - I'd put Lebanon-Turkey-Israel in basically the same basket. Each one's democracy is systemically flawed at this point, in different and exciting ways.
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Jun 4, 2018 13:16
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https://972mag.com/once-charged-with-killing-palestinian-teen-two-israeli-soldiers-will-walk-free/135955/ Two soldiers executed a palestinian teen, their defendant claimed selective prosecution and the court dropped the case. That sure is something.
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Jun 5, 2018 05:38
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emanresu tnuocca posted:https://972mag.com/once-charged-with-killing-palestinian-teen-two-israeli-soldiers-will-walk-free/135955/ Wow. We prosecute so few cases that we can't prosecute any more. Purity of justice right there.
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Jun 5, 2018 08:58
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emanresu tnuocca posted:https://972mag.com/once-charged-with-killing-palestinian-teen-two-israeli-soldiers-will-walk-free/135955/
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Probably one of a dozen cases this month. Israel is a joke
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Jun 5, 2018 12:58
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On a slightly positive note Nikki Haley, US ambassador to the UN, who made news by walking out when a palestinian envoy started speaking, was completely humiliated and displayed clear-as-day the hilarious contrast of opinion between the US and the rest of the world.
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Jun 5, 2018 13:04
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emanresu tnuocca posted:https://972mag.com/once-charged-with-killing-palestinian-teen-two-israeli-soldiers-will-walk-free/135955/ Ah, the old "everyone else is getting away with it!" defense. Truly a hallmark of the Most Moral Army in the World.
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Jun 5, 2018 14:41
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Neurolimal posted:On a slightly positive note Nikki Haley, US ambassador to the UN, who made news by walking out when a palestinian envoy started speaking, was completely humiliated and displayed clear-as-day the hilarious contrast of opinion between the US and the rest of the world. Slowly but surely this is going to be the American public someday.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Ah, the old "everyone else is getting away with it!" defense. Truly a hallmark of the Most Moral Army in the World. Technically, it wasn't actually a legal argument that won this: the defense requested that the prosecution provide official statistics regarding prosecution rates for soldier misconduct, and the prosecution dropped the case rather than provide numbers almost certain to be extremely embarrassing.
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https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5279594,00.html Argentina national team cancels its scheduled friendly match against Israel that was set to take place in Jerusalem this saturday.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:11
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What is with Khamenei? Most of the world is upset with Israel right now, the Nuke deal is on the table and he tweets how Israel is a cancer and needs to be eradicated. Way to give some ammo to Israel's moves in the region...
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Jun 5, 2018 23:26
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pro starcraft loser posted:What is with Khamenei? Most of the world is upset with Israel right now, the Nuke deal is on the table and he tweets how Israel is a cancer and needs to be eradicated. it's a pretty smart move, tbh with the US looking to pull out of the Iran deal he's looking to make sure that the European interests that were the only reason we negotiated the deal in the first place have every incentive available to play nice with him and give the US the finger conveniently, he has a button he can push to make the rest of the world like him more (call an apartheid state engaged in the wholesale slaughter of populations whose existence it finds inconvenient a monstrosity that should not be) and the US and Israel like him less (because How Dare You Sir) isn't politics fun
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Jun 5, 2018 23:31
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Ze Pollack posted:it's a pretty smart move, tbh You have an interesting idea about how European leaders perceive Israel. They're not happy about the way they treat the Palestinians, but they're even more unhappy when Iran says poo poo like this. Plus Iran doesn't have a lot of moral authority to point to anyone's wholesale slaughter these days given that they're supporting Assad next door. Merkel just agreed with Netanyahu recently about Iran needing to remove their forces from Syria, so I don't know where you get the idea that Europe loves Iran and hates Israel.
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pro starcraft loser posted:What is with Khamenei? Most of the world is upset with Israel right now, the Nuke deal is on the table and he tweets how Israel is a cancer and needs to be eradicated. He's often the voice of the extreme right in the country. But, even though he technically has absolute authority, don't consider his statements to be policy. When the nuke deal was being negotiated he said several times that Iran would never give up so and so, only for it to be done later. I think his message is mostly for a domestic audience.
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Sinteres posted:You have an interesting idea about how European leaders perceive Israel. They're not happy about the way they treat the Palestinians, but they're even more unhappy when Iran says poo poo like this. Plus Iran doesn't have a lot of moral authority to point to anyone's wholesale slaughter these days given that they're supporting Assad next door. Merkel just agreed with Netanyahu recently about Iran needing to remove their forces from Syria, so I don't know where you get the idea that Europe loves Iran and hates Israel. they dislike Israel, they widely despise the present US administration, and Khameni would very much enjoy a world where European leaders are given a choice between being seen to be knuckling under to Trump and Netanyahu or working with Reliable Trading Partner Iran nobody appreciates the guy kicking at the open wound but if the wound is adequately kicked this does not super matter
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Jun 6, 2018 00:56
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Ze Pollack posted:they dislike Israel, they widely despise the present US administration, and Khameni would very much enjoy a world where European leaders are given a choice between being seen to be knuckling under to Trump and Netanyahu or working with Reliable Trading Partner Iran They want to work out a deal with Iran if possible, but in no way does Khameini calling Israel a cancer make that more appealing to European leaders than it was before. You're projecting super hard. Germany in particular is very sensitive about this sort of thing, and Merkel's obviously the most important leader in Europe.
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Count Roland posted:He's often the voice of the extreme right in the country. khameini's ideological position is weird and difficult to track at this point I'm almost inclined to go with the dictator-exonerating "he'll go with whatever makes the most internal factions least unhappy" (also the Iranian extreme right is completely loving nuts, and I have a kneejerk reaction that Khameini, embodiment of the regime, will invariably not be the voice of the Iranian extreme right) edit but hating Israel is not exactly an extreme right position
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i think one of the things that fucks me up personally is that im the same age as her
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Ze Pollack posted:they dislike Israel, they widely despise the present US administration, and Khameni would very much enjoy a world where European leaders are given a choice between being seen to be knuckling under to Trump and Netanyahu or working with Reliable Trading Partner Iran The choice they'll make is knuckling under to Trump and Netanyahu, because they are little bitches. They might make a few fancy speeches but the acts are what matters. And the EU, by design, is utterly incapable of acting.
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Cat Mattress posted:The choice they'll make is knuckling under to Trump and Netanyahu, because they are little bitches. there's an awful lot of money they leave on the table if they do that, and the whole reason we negotiated the iran deal in the first place is that it had been made quietly clear to the US tha the EU was uninterested in keeping sanctions going expecting them to do the right thing is of course idiotic naivete, expecting them to vote with their wallets is... significantly less naive
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Jun 6, 2018 01:46
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Ze Pollack posted:they dislike Israel, they widely despise the present US administration, and Khameni would very much enjoy a world where European leaders are given a choice between being seen to be knuckling under to Trump and Netanyahu or working with Reliable Trading Partner Iran quote:Germany approved a license for a company to sell military applicable technology to Iranian companies which were subsequently used by the Syrian regime to commit chemical weapons attacks, German publication Bild revealed yesterday. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180206-germany-sold-technology-to-iran-used-in-syria-chemical-attacks/ Doing a great job of wooing European leaders let me tell you.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:58
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Ze Pollack posted:there's an awful lot of money they leave on the table if they do that, and the whole reason we negotiated the iran deal in the first place is that it had been made quietly clear to the US tha the EU was uninterested in keeping sanctions going European countries are incapable of protecting their companies from being under the full jurisdiction of US law. So, the vote with wallets is what European companies are doing -- choosing to comply with US sanctions, because Washington can hurt them a lot more than Tehran could possibly help them. It'd take balls to take an effective stand against American bullying. It'd require counter-sanctions by attacking US companies present in Europe for as much if not more as the US would attack European companies. That's not going to happen, though, because, again, EU leaders are little bitches and the EU is by design incapable of acting.
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I severely doubt one tweet is going to meaningfully change European policy. It's much more likely to be aimed at domestic Iranian politics, and possibly Israeli politics as well. After all, it's only been a couple of days since it came out that Netanyahu repeatedly tried to secretly order military strikes on Iran, only for his own security apparatus to deny the order. While the main reaction in international media has been to see that through the lens of Israeli politics as a humiliation for Bibi, it's also one hell of a provocation toward Iran, and I wouldn't be surprised if Iranian hardliners were demanding some confrontation with Israel.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:khameini's ideological position is weird and difficult to track I suspect if a right wing government was in power Khameini would be less supportive like that. But I also find it hard to understand his moves. He has theoretical dictatorial powers but lets government and courts actually run things. Its an unusual arrangement.
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Count Roland posted:I suspect if a right wing government was in power Khameini would be less supportive like that. The head of the judiciary is directly appointed by him, and he and the head of the judiciary together appoint the Guardian council which has to approve any electoral candidate. It really just boils down to delegating responsibilities to people further down the chain while making sure all of it is still accountable and subservient to the inner circle. It's pretty common in totalitarian governments.
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It's funny how the analyses of Netanyahu and Khamenei's actions as mainly catering towards mollifying their extremists bases are exactly the same. I don't really take either seriously, but we should apply a consistent level of scrutiny to both. They're both hanging on by a thread politically - in that Netanyahu keeps barely winning elections, although he's polling well at the moment with a conflict bounce.
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Cat Mattress posted:It'd take balls to take an effective stand against American bullying. It'd require counter-sanctions by attacking US companies present in Europe for as much if not more as the US would attack European companies. That's not going to happen, though, because, again, EU leaders are little bitches and the EU is by design incapable of acting. iran is not worth a trade war between the EU and the US and everyone knows it
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please knock Mom! posted:iran is not worth a trade war between the EU and the US and everyone knows it The trade war is happening, Iran or not, and it's the US who started it. But it's a one-sided war because the EU is incapable of fighting back.
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Cat Mattress posted:The trade war is happening, Iran or not, and it's the US who started it. this is a new take to me and probably not suited to this thread
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Jun 6, 2018 08:00
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BDS struck one of it's biggest victories so far, possibly the biggest. Just fyi.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:BDS struck one of it's biggest victories so far, possibly the biggest. Just fyi. poo poo Now Israel will reveal where Hitler was in Argentina
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