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Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

DatonKallandor posted:

Yeah, travelled all over the Inner Sphere at the best universities and then ending up in the backwater working technological magic is incredibly suspicious.

Also I still find the first contact with Centralla hilarious when she goes "I'm contacting you via HPG because I don't want Comstar to know what we are up to". Girl you're using their phone lines. They hearing every single word you're saying.
Easy answer is that two Comstar officials had a bet riding on the main plot.

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

DatonKallandor posted:

Yeah, travelled all over the Inner Sphere at the best universities and then ending up in the backwater working technological magic is incredibly suspicious.

Also I still find the first contact with Centralla hilarious when she goes "I'm contacting you via HPG because I don't want Comstar to know what we are up to". Girl you're using their phone lines. They hearing every single word you're saying.

I wonder what the state of encryption is in the post Succession Wars era. Even if you are using public phone/telecom, you figure they'd encrypt everything.

Unless.....guys, is the Comstar coming from inside the Argo? Are we actually a proxy Comstar Unit? :tinfoil: :ohdear:

Sunning
Sep 14, 2011
Nintendo Guru
Paradox Interactive to acquire Seattle-based Harebrained Schemes

Hookers and Blackjack mechs for all.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'


this is... Good?

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
Seems good, other than for my wallet with all the DLC.

And I already own Stellaris....

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Captain Foo posted:

this is... Good?

Paradox has been pushing to break out of the grand strategy mould for awhile and acquire competencies elsewhere in the RPG or tactical space. They tried (and failed) to develop their own IP (Runemaster) into a tactical RPG a few years ago, and it seems like they decided buying a studio that already matches that competency was the best call. And their Battletech collaboration seems to have been really good.

PDX have also just announced their new board gaming division as well. Please, for the love of God, let this mean that there's now a Very Competent Game Company out there (PDX) who sees the value of the Battletech franchise and will potentially seek to consolidate the IP.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Captain Foo posted:

this is... Good?

At the very least in the sense it means HBS Btech did a good enough job for the megacorps to feel it worth it to absorb them.

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010

Captain Foo posted:

this is... Good?

I mean off the top of my head?

This gives HB more legal wiggleroom for anything else Harmony Gold wants to pull. Gives them the resources to really stack huge expansions/content for Battletech.

Also gives HB room going forward with their games. Each of the Shadowrun games, plus Battletech were obviously made on a shoestring budget. Now they can actually make games on a full AAA budget under a real publisher. Gotta be crazy for them coming from trying to break into the games scene with Shadowrun Returns after the nightmare of phone game development.

Does HB own the rights to Battletech? Would this open up a path for Paradox to make a Grand Strategy game set in the Battletech universe?

Sunning
Sep 14, 2011
Nintendo Guru
Short video from Jordan and and Mitch about the acquisition.

They seem pleased with their relationship with Paradox, will continue to act like an indie studio, and promise more Battletech.

Captain Foo posted:

this is... Good?

If the alternative is that Harebrained Schemes struggles to find work as a mid-sized independent developer in a fast moving industry, then it's good to be acquired up by a boutique publisher like Paradox that specializes in strategy games. Battletech must have done well enough for them to make this move.

SEGA also would've been a good pick since they've become a top PC strategy publisher.

SirFozzie
Mar 28, 2004
Goombatta!
I think Microsoft owns the Btech computer game rights still.. but I would not be surprised to see Paradox look to bring Shadowrun/Battletech under their umbrella completely. (RPG, console games, computer games etcetera)

edit: Also looks like a pretty good payday for the HBS folks, 7.5 million plus a percentage for 5 years (I think that's the deal)..

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
I'm sorry, the important part of the news is there are multiple legal documents with the phrase "Harebrained Bag of Holding Inc." on them

how did I not know about this before???

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Rookersh posted:

Does HB own the rights to Battletech?

This is hopefully a possibility with the acquisition. I may be a bit wrong on how the Battletech license works, but I thiiiink it's something like this?:

The Battletech IP belongs to Topps. It's possible there's still a tabletop/video game split between Topps and Microsoft, but I don't know.
Topps licenses out the distribution of the board game and roleplaying game to Catalyst Game Labs.
Topps licenses out the video game license to Piranha and HBS, who (maybe somewhat begrudgingly on Piranha's part?) share certain assets (3D models of the PGI mech redesigns)
Catalyst Game Labs produces some miniatures in-house, but also continues (???) to sub-license production of metal minis out to Iron Wind Metals / Ral Partha Europe.

Ideally Paradox figures out some way to just buy the IP from Topps, but that might just be a pipe dream. Paradox is seven times larger than Topps in terms of overall annual revenue (and is publicly-traded), so the purchasing power is definitely there if they choose to invest it.

IMO a complete acquisition of the IP isn't really necessary, so long as Paradox is able to convince Topps to give CGL the finger and hand over the overall caretaker role of the franchise to Paradox (and with it, the ability to breath life into the tabletop games again).

Drone fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jun 5, 2018

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!

Drone posted:

PDX have also just announced their new board gaming division as well. Please, for the love of God, let this mean that there's now a Very Competent Game Company out there (PDX) who sees the value of the Battletech franchise and will potentially seek to consolidate the IP.
Who even owns the Battletech IP now?

Wikipedia lists it as Topps (which maybe owns WizKids?), but Catalyst was still creating and publishing the tabletop game last I checked.

And getting a little off-topic, but did anything ever happen with the fiction after the FedCom Civil War? I know there was that Dark Ages stuff, but I think I remember reading that in-canon this was retconned or disregarded.

As far as the fiction goes, I checked out after Word of Blake revealed their magical army of several hundred thousand battlemechs that somehow nobody knew about.

Edit: Well, the post above answered the first question.

WhiteHowler fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jun 5, 2018

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
Pretty cool that Paradox seems to be flourishing as a publisher, giving small to mid-size studios the independence they want while still maintaining a mutually beneficial relationship.

DeepThrobble
Sep 18, 2006
She messaged you to bring you to the system where she was you she could skype you directly. Face on the holoscreen != HPG message. While one might be able to shell out for real-ish time audio or video transmissions, she's only a minor periphery noble and there's a war to run and all.

As for the Locura, it's a prototype Star League AI created to autonomously operate a space warship. The Terran Hegemony was better off than the Houses, but still far smaller and surrounded on all sides, so paranoid First Lords built continent-spanning tunnels and fortifications like Nautilus on many worlds so they could hold out for years, and entire fleets of drone fighters, dropships, and warships governed by AI patterned after their best admirals. The SLDF bled itself white trying to liberate the Hegemony because even when outmatched the drones could suicide themselves on transports and command ships, and that was before the ground forces landed and started charging their own murder holes. Comstar wouldn't have much knowledge or experience regarding the Locura because Amaris murdered the drone's programmers, and Kerensky scrapped the ships and took whatever remained with him.

edit: Wow! Hope that's a sign of great things to come!

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
CGL is about to release a new box for BT, but it'd be nice if they lost both BT and Shadowrun tabletop licenses and Paradox made better versions.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Colonial Air Force posted:

CGL is about to release a new box for BT, but it'd be nice if they lost both BT and Shadowrun tabletop licenses and Paradox made better versions.

I haven't watched any of it beyond the first episode, but hasn't HBS been sorta in-house alpha-testing a replacement for the tabletop game with their Death From Above series on HyperRPG? Under the guise of it just being a "homebrewed RPG system"?

DeepThrobble
Sep 18, 2006
DFA uses the initiative system, though I haven't seen enough to know if there's more to it. The tabletop and video game parts of the IP are separate, though it'd be a welcome change to the lack of content and questionable stewardship of Catalyst.

FASA spun off the electronic game rights to FASA Interactive, which was acquired and later dismembered by Microsoft. I think a few Bungie devs were with them, or at least knew them, because how MS treated them came up in a Halo retrospective I read.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

Drone posted:

Paradox has been pushing to break out of the grand strategy mould for awhile and acquire competencies elsewhere in the RPG or tactical space.

Too bad, now they're obligated to give us grand strategy battletech

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

Sunning posted:

SEGA also would've been a good pick since they've become a top PC strategy publisher.

Cursed sentence

novaSphere
Jan 25, 2003

Who actually owns the designs/assets that HBS and PGI share now? Is it PGI, or Topps, or what?

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!

Azhais posted:

Too bad, now they're obligated to give us grand strategy battletech
The in-universe fiction of Battletech isn't all that different from a typical Crusader Kings 2 campaign.

Warring nation-states, political marriages, contested thrones... heck, there's even a massive barbarian invasion!

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

WhiteHowler posted:

The in-universe fiction of Battletech isn't all that different from a typical Crusader Kings 2 campaign.

Warring nation-states, political marriages, contested thrones... heck, there's even a massive barbarian invasion!

Well, if "barbarian invasion" means the barbarians get invaded...

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Azhais posted:

Too bad, now they're obligated to give us grand strategy battletech

Crusader Kings 3: This Time In Space would be just fine for me.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

DeepThrobble posted:

She messaged you to bring you to the system where she was you she could skype you directly. Face on the holoscreen != HPG message. While one might be able to shell out for real-ish time audio or video transmissions, she's only a minor periphery noble and there's a war to run and all.

As for the Locura, it's a prototype Star League AI created to autonomously operate a space warship. The Terran Hegemony was better off than the Houses, but still far smaller and surrounded on all sides, so paranoid First Lords built continent-spanning tunnels and fortifications like Nautilus on many worlds so they could hold out for years, and entire fleets of drone fighters, dropships, and warships governed by AI patterned after their best admirals. The SLDF bled itself white trying to liberate the Hegemony because even when outmatched the drones could suicide themselves on transports and command ships, and that was before the ground forces landed and started charging their own murder holes. Comstar wouldn't have much knowledge or experience regarding the Locura because Amaris murdered the drone's programmers, and Kerensky scrapped the ships and took whatever remained with him.

edit: Wow! Hope that's a sign of great things to come!

Where'd you get that from? I'm genuinely curious.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Azhais posted:

Too bad, now they're obligated to give us grand strategy battletech

would

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!

Pornographic Memory posted:

Well, if "barbarian invasion" means the barbarians get invaded...
Close enough!

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

I can't wait for the spicy takes from grogs that the acquisition is The Worst Thing Ever. Somehow.

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

novaSphere posted:

Who actually owns the designs/assets that HBS and PGI share now? Is it PGI, or Topps, or what?

The likenesses are owned by Microsoft or Topps, but I would bet Microsoft, but the particular models and that specific take on them are owned by PGI.

Drone posted:

Topps licenses out the video game license to Piranha and HBS, who (maybe somewhat begrudgingly on Piranha's part?) share certain assets (3D models of the PGI mech redesigns)

I'm also going to guess that there's no begrudging in there, since Russ Bullock, king poo poo of PGI, backed Shadowrun at the top tier and has his name in the game a place besides the credits, PGI invites HBS to their mech con thing every year, and PGI and HBS have explicitly mentioned that they are working together by choice rather than because they have to.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Drone posted:

Crusader Kings 3: This Time In Space would be just fine for me.

I won't lie when I say this has been my dream game since Crusader Kings II came out. They could call it First Lord and have it start immediately after the end of the Amaris Coup and and and

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Successor Lords would be a better name, wouldn't it? :v: Funny, I just posted about this in the PDX thread too.

armchairyoda
Sep 17, 2008
Melman

CommieGIR posted:

Where'd you get that from? I'm genuinely curious.

Lol, as if all BT lore isn’t pulled straight out of somebody’s rear end.

Hearsay is canon. :parrot:

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Successor Lords would be a better name, wouldn't it? :v: Funny, I just posted about this in the PDX thread too.

It wouldn't, since the goal is to become the First Lord of a new Star League.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

CommieGIR posted:

I wonder what the state of encryption is in the post Succession Wars era. Even if you are using public phone/telecom, you figure they'd encrypt everything.

Or quantum computing is a thing now and encryption doesn't work any more

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

aniviron posted:

I'm also going to guess that there's no begrudging in there, since Russ Bullock, king poo poo of PGI, backed Shadowrun at the top tier and has his name in the game a place besides the credits, PGI invites HBS to their mech con thing every year, and PGI and HBS have explicitly mentioned that they are working together by choice rather than because they have to.

Everything I've seen suggests a cordial relationship, yeah.

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

CommieGIR posted:

Where'd you get that from? I'm genuinely curious.

So am I, because that last line is blatantly false. Comstar totally has those kind of systems, because the Wobbies extensively deploy SDS systems during the Jihad. The only thing really limiting them is that while they're certainly easier, cheaper and faster to field than actual manned Warships, it's still a fair bit of construction needed to deploy the larger command ships and the like.

Technically the Clans do too, and it was indeed a major plot point in the first book of the invasion of Huntress (as in the IS forces felt the need to sneak infiltrators in first to shut down their suspected system), but the writers basically forgot about that plot point afterwards. The Wars of Reaving saw basically all honor rules thrown out the door, so it's not like various Clans wouldn't have activated them just to spite everyone else.

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

PoptartsNinja posted:

I won't lie when I say this has been my dream game since Crusader Kings II came out. They could call it First Lord and have it start immediately after the end of the Amaris Coup and and and

A game where you are controlling a whole mercenary battalion or clan trinary but combat is a bit abstracted for managements sake while still being represented visually would rule.

Omar_Comin
Aug 20, 2004
Dark Jedi Carebear

PoptartsNinja posted:

It wouldn't, since the goal is to become the First Lord of a new Star League.

I look forward to replacing Karling with Kerensky as the bloodline I must eradicate.

Gyshall
Feb 24, 2009

Had a couple of drinks.
Saw a couple of things.
dlc when

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Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)
Honestly a CK2 BattleTech game would just be called Succession Wars to maintain some form of continuity with the old board game.

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