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CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.

Shirec posted:

Let me know if this is too personal, I can take it down.

How dare you! (j/k, :justpost:) I'm glad you're getting a chance to recharge. I'm especially glad you're aware, at least on some level, of how much trash these two men are. I look forward to the celebration in this thread when you finally announce that you've broken free!

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Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Today my live debugging efforts sent out a couple Airbrake emails with fun fun subjects like “RuntimeError: invalid boolean ‘poop’” and I’m definitely a professional guys, for real.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Shirec posted:

Aren't I opening myself up to lawsuits if I get too specific? I doubt my current employer would ever find out but you never know

Truth is an absolute defense against libel, and many places have SLAPP laws if they tried.

Shirec posted:

I think I def have a really good idea of what to say if I did quit before having a job secured.

This is probably too e/n, but in regards to that advice, I'm probably going to try and tough it out for a while longer. I made the mistake of talking to my low/no contact father last night about my plans (yay being a lesbian), and for those wondering why I put up so much with this current job and my boss, it's because my dad is a worse version of him, except he knows me way better. So most of my surety of what was best to do is mostly gone now.
I want to take whatever step I do with confidence, and the one of proactively quitting is terrifying to me. I can't let go of that fear.

On a nice note, my boss is on vacation or on business trips until Wednesday. So I have some time to build back up, so I can handle the next shitstorm. Let me know if this is too personal, I can take it down.

You should quit Shirec. That is what you should do.

Keetron
Sep 26, 2008

Check out my enormous testicles in my TFLC log!

Pollyanna posted:

Today my live debugging efforts sent out a couple Airbrake emails with fun fun subjects like “RuntimeError: invalid boolean ‘poop’” and I’m definitely a professional guys, for real.

This is a prime reason I defaulted bad variable names to stuff like "a" or "somethingHere" or even "changeMe", as those can be committed by accident without making my colleagues look down on me more.

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?

I'm not a lawyer, or even in the same country, so big grain of salt to be taken here (and frankly for any legal question the only appropriate answer really is "ask a lawyer!"). But the point of libel and slander is the defamation aspect. You're not damaging a company's image by claiming you worked there for longer than you actually did, so there would be no point in suing you for it. The only potential damage is to you, where your potential new employer might not trust you as a result. But the references from your other past employers should settle that easily enough.

The HIPAA violations are actually where I would be worried. Given that the company is likely to go under as a result (whether from the fines or the subsequent loss of all of their customers), they might be tempted to gamble on trying to silence you by suing. It would be a spectacularly dumb move but the management of the company is dumb enough to get into this situation so you can't make any assumptions. And the funny thing about truth as an absolute defence is that you might still have to convince a judge.

Basically I don't think you need to worry about explaining the circumstances to a new employer, whether you quit in advance or not and whether you pad the numbers or not. But I would get legal advice before reporting the HIPAA stuff.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


vonnegutt posted:

slander/libel (I forget which is spoken and which is printed)

Slander is spoken, libel is written.

Janitor Prime
Jan 22, 2004

PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean

Fun Shoe

ultrafilter posted:

Slander is spoken, libel is written.

What about in meme form?

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.

Janitor Prime posted:

What about in meme form?

Then it's steamed hams.

geeves
Sep 16, 2004

Shirec posted:

Aren't I opening myself up to lawsuits if I get too specific? I doubt my current employer would ever find out but you never know

HIPPA isn't a trade secret.


BurntCornMuffin posted:

Boiled Water posted:

She could also lie and just put down working there while actually having quit.

Anyone worth a drat will run a run a background check.

Any background check worth a drat will catch this.

That's not what background checks are for or do.

Background checks are for arrests, sex offenders, maybe credit (which is shady), etc. In this case Shirec only has to worry if she decided to shoot someone in cold blood (which if she shot her current boss, would be met with leniency by a good judge)

geeves fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jun 9, 2018

redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters

Shirec posted:

I think I def have a really good idea of what to say if I did quit before having a job secured.

This is probably too e/n, but in regards to that advice, I'm probably going to try and tough it out for a while longer. I made the mistake of talking to my low/no contact father last night about my plans (yay being a lesbian), and for those wondering why I put up so much with this current job and my boss, it's because my dad is a worse version of him, except he knows me way better. So most of my surety of what was best to do is mostly gone now.
I want to take whatever step I do with confidence, and the one of proactively quitting is terrifying to me. I can't let go of that fear.

On a nice note, my boss is on vacation or on business trips until Wednesday. So I have some time to build back up, so I can handle the next shitstorm. Let me know if this is too personal, I can take it down.

I hope by "tough it out" you mean "keep working there while still actively looking for a new job", and not "stop looking entirely"!

Volcano
Apr 10, 2008


I've been lurking this thread and the interviews thread just to see when Shirec will get a new job with a boss who isn't an actual loving demon.

Good luck, Shirec! You really do seem way too good for your current place and I hope something works out for you soon. I'd love to hook you up a job but I'm pretty sure I'm on the wrong continent.

Also, I'm gonna hug all my unit tests on Monday.

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

redleader posted:

I hope by "tough it out" you mean "keep working there while still actively looking for a new job", and not "stop looking entirely"!

Oh yeah, I'm not giving up in that regard. I've been sending out applications like crazy and I'm going to a hackathon on Tuesday to meet folks/network/learn things.

Thanks everyone for the encouraging words, it means the world to me.

BurntCornMuffin
Jan 9, 2009


You mentioned being a Chicagoon in the past, are you willing to relocate, or do you want to stay in the region?

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

BurntCornMuffin posted:

You mentioned being a Chicagoon in the past, are you willing to relocate, or do you want to stay in the region?

I'm willing to relocate but my funds are pretty depleted from my first move. My only big thing is I want to stay in areas with good LGBT protections (big reason to move to IL/Chicago) and population. I've always wanted to live in/around a big city as well, so Chicago was supposed to be this big dream fulfillment haha (right now I'm in a tiny town 2 hours outside Chicago)

Mniot
May 22, 2003
Not the one you know

geeves posted:

Background checks are for arrests, sex offenders, maybe credit (which is shady), etc. In this case Shirec only has to worry if she decided to shoot someone in cold blood (which if she shot her current boss, would be met with leniency by a good judge)

I actually just had one done as part of a job change. Since I'm in MA I got a copy of the background check so I can see that they looked up my last three employers, my job title there, and the day that I started and left. They also did criminal checks in the last three states I lived in.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost

ratbert90 posted:

Where are you located and what do you normally do? We are looking for a Devops/IT person that knows Linux. I have been doing it but it's slowing me down doing everything else.
I’m probably going to be back on the market in the next few months, I’ve been working with Linux professionally for 14 years and in prod SaaS for 12 of them, willing to relocate anywhere including Mars, and am looking for a company that is growing actually somewhat fast and doesn’t treat their operations people like they’re expendable and that their suggestions slow down development. Doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen where I live now or for three states in any direction.

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

necrobobsledder posted:

I’m probably going to be back on the market in the next few months, I’ve been working with Linux professionally for 14 years and in prod SaaS for 12 of them, willing to relocate anywhere including Mars, and am looking for a company that is growing actually somewhat fast and doesn’t treat their operations people like they’re expendable and that their suggestions slow down development. Doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen where I live now or for three states in any direction.

PM me your resume if you want. My team is hiring and I know if a few other places that are decent.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Shirec posted:

(right now I'm in a tiny town 2 hours outside Chicago)

Milwaukee? Haha, just kidding - pretty sure it takes less than two hours to get from Milwaukee to the loop, but it's been a while since I made that drive.

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

Munkeymon posted:

Milwaukee? Haha, just kidding - pretty sure it takes less than two hours to get from Milwaukee to the loop, but it's been a while since I made that drive.

Nah, small town. I think we also have a higher violent crime rate than Milwaukee? It's still in IL as well, I wouldn't have moved to a red state, lol. I kind of thought I could manage the small town aspect, and I probably could if I loved my job, but I hate having no culture and the most exciting thing here is the mall.
Also, not kidding, there are an insane amount of murders/assaults where I live.

I'm feeling really behind on my skillset atm, I really need to buckle down and learn more front/back end skills. I'm thinking I'm going to learn React and Python, but is there any other backend that I should consider first? There doesn't seem to be any particular favorite language in Chicago. I'm sorry if this is a terribly generic question, I'm feeling I'm not competitive at all, and feel less so every day.

BurntCornMuffin
Jan 9, 2009


Shirec posted:

I'm feeling really behind on my skillset atm, I really need to buckle down and learn more front/back end skills. I'm thinking I'm going to learn React and Python, but is there any other backend that I should consider first? There doesn't seem to be any particular favorite language in Chicago. I'm sorry if this is a terribly generic question, I'm feeling I'm not competitive at all, and feel less so every day.

Don't think in terms of "favorite language". Languages are tools, with varying degrees of suitability for different jobs.

So, think of the job you want to do:
Python is frequently used for data science and in the security scene to POC exploit code.
React is most used for UI design.

Also, yeah...this isn't exactly a small-town friendly industry. Infrastructure, demand, and tech-friendly culture is a lot more prevalent in the cities, even smaller ones.

BurntCornMuffin fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jun 11, 2018

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Shirec posted:

I'm feeling really behind on my skillset atm, I really need to buckle down and learn more front/back end skills. I'm thinking I'm going to learn React and Python, but is there any other backend that I should consider first?

Python is a perfectly valid choice. Python has Django and Flask as its most popular frameworks with the former being a full featured batteries included framework and the latter being considerably more lightweight.

Within the webstack, you've got Python, .NET and Node.js as your most common technologies. Python and Node are going to be the most popular at technology companies and startups. .NET MVC is perfectly fine, but doesn't have a lot of traction outside of enterprise companies. Node has a lot of warts that seem to be coming to the surface, but I don't think that's affected its popularity yet.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

Shirec posted:

I'm feeling really behind on my skillset atm, I really need to buckle down and learn more front/back end skills. I'm thinking I'm going to learn React and Python, but is there any other backend that I should consider first?

Another vote in favor of Python. It's actually growing in use and really lends itself well to heavy data applications (Pandas will be your best friend), and as noted above you can just plug in the front end of your choice.

Lately I've been learning Vue.js, which seems like a great entry-level framework. It's not quite as formidable as Angular, and I loathe React.

withoutclass
Nov 6, 2007

Resist the siren call of rhinocerosness

College Slice
Python is bad forever because it cares about whitespace.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

withoutclass posted:

Python is bad forever because it cares about whitespace.

Sorry that you have unreadable formatting

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


withoutclass posted:

Python is bad forever because it cares about whitespace.

I used to think that, but then I realized that it was a bad opinion.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Java has Jersey and, uh, Spring [Boot], I think is pretty popular, but you might have to slum it and actually write Java instead of getting to use Kotlin :whitewater:

e: but, yeah, the 'right' answer is figure out where you want to work and then proactively learn whatever they use. Easier said than done for Shirec right now, though.

Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 11, 2018

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

Hmmmm.... if I had to choose between Python and Java, I'm not sure which to go with. I know Node.js and Ruby currently. Java seems like it might translate beyond just web dev, which would be nice.
I want to learn them all tbh, I love getting into this nitty gritty haha

BaronVonVaderham posted:

Lately I've been learning Vue.js, which seems like a great entry-level framework. It's not quite as formidable as Angular, and I loathe React.

I know AngularJS, I wonder if it would be easing to get into Angular vs trying to learn React. My very cursory experiences with React are very meh. Vue.js I hadn't heard of!

BurntCornMuffin
Jan 9, 2009


Shirec posted:

Java seems like it might translate beyond just web dev, which would be nice.

It absolutely does. Outside of web, Java sees a lot of use in the Big Data scene (which also uses Python in analytics), as well as any situation where you want an Enterprise app or server to just work anywhere. Also, it's used in Android development.

Keetron
Sep 26, 2008

Check out my enormous testicles in my TFLC log!

In my region, I would say that half of the roles I encounter are some variant of Java with Spring(Boot). But that might be my observation bias as I focus on exactly that.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
Java might be good to learn. It's widely used, so there's lots of opportunity. Working with a static typed, compiled language will also help broaden your horizons as a programmer if you're coming from a JS/Ruby background.

reversefungi
Nov 27, 2003

Master of the high hat!

fantastic in plastic posted:

Working with a static typed, compiled language will also help broaden your horizons as a programmer if you're coming from a JS/Ruby background.

Agreed. As someone with a largely JS background (and a little bit of C/Python), having to work in C# for the last few months has been huge in helping me learn OOP, SOLID, etc. and just overall thinking about larger design considerations from a different perspective.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Oh, if I'm shaking my cane at the youngins, I guess I'd say you should know how to write a reasonably complex SQL without using a dang ORM!

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

Munkeymon posted:

Oh, if I'm shaking my cane at the youngins, I guess I'd say you should know how to write a reasonably complex SQL without using a dang ORM!

I actually know SQL really well, that was the first thing I learned after Visual Basic haha (I don’t count VB)

withoutclass
Nov 6, 2007

Resist the siren call of rhinocerosness

College Slice

Munkeymon posted:

Java has Jersey and, uh, Spring [Boot], I think is pretty popular, but you might have to slum it and actually write Java instead of getting to use Kotlin :whitewater:

e: but, yeah, the 'right' answer is figure out where you want to work and then proactively learn whatever they use. Easier said than done for Shirec right now, though.

Spring boot is just fine with Kotlin. The problem with spring is the plug-in support for intellij requires Ultimate. Ktor is pretty rad and I've been doing some side projects with it.

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

Think I'm gonna go Java for now but Python will still be in the future slate.

Munkeymon posted:

e: but, yeah, the 'right' answer is figure out where you want to work and then proactively learn whatever they use. Easier said than done for Shirec right now, though.

I feel like everything is easier said than done for me currently lol, I'm gonna be the poster child for bad luck with dev jobs. Unless like a previous poster mentioned and someone literally works for Satan, then I'll gladly take #2.

Ither
Jan 30, 2010

Munkeymon posted:

Oh, if I'm shaking my cane at the youngins, I guess I'd say you should know how to write a reasonably complex SQL without using a dang ORM!

If I wanted to write complex SQL, I would have become a DBA :colbert:

Pedestrian Xing
Jul 19, 2007

Who needs SQL? Just read the entire table in and filter it in your program.

Janitor Prime
Jan 22, 2004

PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean

Fun Shoe

Pedestrian Xing posted:

Who needs SQL? Just read the entire table in and filter it in your program.

ORMs normally filter in the DB and not in app right?

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

Janitor Prime posted:

ORMs normally filter in the DB and not in app right?

Only if you tell them to. You can do stupid poo poo with ORM as well.

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Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Shirec posted:

Think I'm gonna go Java for now but Python will still be in the future slate.

Come, join us on The Dark Side

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