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Zenithe posted:What we know is that he was at some point diagnosed with ASD. This means literally nothing without further information. He raped and murdered someone.
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Like for example if this was a sex interaction and questions of consent emerged thrpugh social cues autism can be a mitigator as those involve inability to differentiate at a biological level through lack of proper social comprehension and bewilderment. That is a difficult area and more so as those forms of sexual assault are far more common than stranger danger but added to tge complexity is one of the participamts having a disorder of social comprehension but without malice. This is not what we are discussing - this wasnt a sexual encpunter between two people in a personal environment, this was a park woth a woman headed home where she was ambushed, raped, and murdered. This is not a hill to die on.
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Jun 15, 2018 00:02
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JBP posted:It doesn't mitigate anything he's done. It describes how complicated the situation is and adds another level of complexity to saying you shouldn't have to take any responsibility for your own safety. People aren't simple enough that education will make all of them act perfectly. Ok so this isnt about autism at all - this is you saying there are bad people so no amount of education will stop the monsters among us sp take personal responsibility from the Ivan Milat's and Peter Dupas'. Which is deep and i am 14.
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Lid posted:Like for example if this was a sex interaction and questions of consent emerged thrpugh social cues autism can be a mitigator as those involve inability to differentiate at a biological level through lack of proper social comprehension and bewilderment. That is a difficult area and more so as those forms of sexual assault are far more common than stranger danger but added to tge complexity is one of the participamts having a disorder of social comprehension but without malice. Yeah all of this is fine but to me it's less important than people just accepting they might have to take care of themselves walking at night. The world is complicated (like this offender is complicated) and it's not going to be any different tomorrow. You don't know what might be happening with any one of four million people at any time and should protect yourself.
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Lid posted:Ok so this isnt about autism at all - this is you saying there are bad people so no amount of education will stop the monsters among us sp take personal responsibility from the Ivan Milat's and Peter Dupas'. Which is deep and i am 14. Trying to build in protection for yourself and your friends to not be dead is dumb. Ok.
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Jun 15, 2018 00:07
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JBP posted:The police didn't even say responsible, the age did. They did, in a presser before the arrest. Later headlines paraphrased "urge community to take responsibility" etc without repeating the direct quote, which I think is misleading, especially since this is now turning into a tone-policing brouhaha as everybody tries to shove a woman's rape and murder into their pre-existing notions about the broader structural patriarchy or whatever the gently caress
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Jun 15, 2018 00:10
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JBP posted:Yeah all of this is fine but to me it's less important than people just accepting they might have to take care of themselves walking at night. The world is complicated (like this offender is complicated) and it's not going to be any different tomorrow. You don't know what might be happening with any one of four million people at any time and should protect yourself. A van could crash into you at any time, killing you instantly. You should take steps to protect yourself from this, you never know what might happen. Don't walk anywhere, just drive. Like, she was already doing what she could to protect herself, what more can you do to stop someone who wants to loving murder you from catching you unawares and loving murdering you. How do you protect yourself from that and still live a reasonably normal life. It's absurd to suggest that general personal responsibility can prevent crimes like this
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Jun 15, 2018 00:12
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bell jar posted:A van could crash into you at any time, killing you instantly. You should take steps to protect yourself from this, you never know what might happen. Don't walk anywhere, just drive. It's mitigation. It's also about people feeling safer. The women in my theatre community want this to happen and created a map for people to travel together. If this is your perspective then why do anything about anything. Travelling together and using your community is actually within your power to do right now. There's nothing abnormal about taking an extra ten minutes to walk home from a gig with a female performer or from a bar with a friend if you're already out.
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Jun 15, 2018 00:17
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I'm very interested in how having difficulty with social communication translates into 'being unable to understand that carrying out a premeditated sexual assault and ultimately murder is wrong' and how he was helpless to stop himself because of the media saying that killing people as revenge for your perceived oppression is bad. Wait no I'm not there's no point loving arguing with JBP because he will never concede anything at all ever and just pretend to be surprised by people calling him a disingenuous idiot for his disingenuous idiot posts.
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Jun 15, 2018 00:20
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Ten Becquerels posted:I'm very interested in how having difficulty with social communication translates into 'being unable to understand that carrying out a premeditated sexual assault and ultimately murder is wrong' and how he was helpless to stop himself because of the media saying that killing people as revenge for your perceived oppression is bad. He probably has internet poisoning.
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Jun 15, 2018 00:20
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If tomorrow it turns out this was an incel this conversation can change, but saying "he is somewhere on the spectrum" is meaningless without context - won't help though some people still try to claim Elliot Rodger was autistic when nothing in his apthology suggests it, it's just a scapegoating evolution from "all nerds on the internet are autistic, men on the internet are misogynists, therefore autistics are misogynist".
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Jun 15, 2018 00:23
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JBP posted:One of the core aspects of committing a murder is the mental state of the offender. I'm fairly sure having autism can impact mental state and it should be accounted for by police prosecuting him. i don't think you understand how mental health works
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Jun 15, 2018 00:24
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And it wont change from "see autism is relevant" it'll change to "oh look another incel raped and murdered someone because of their violent pathological ideology that gets treated like a joke in the mainstream because lol nerds while overlooking the violence and hatred it has perpetuated as vile as Nazism, the KKK, or any other ideology built on hate and supremacy replacing race with gender".
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Jun 15, 2018 00:25
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Having autism while murdering doesn't add another can of pal to an already unappetising mix. - AusPol 2018
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Jun 15, 2018 00:25
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The gently caress are you even talking about
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Jun 15, 2018 00:26
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JBP posted:Having autism while murdering doesn't add another can of pal to an already unappetising mix. nice meltdown
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Jun 15, 2018 00:27
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Recoome posted:nice meltdown Thank you for giving up.
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Jun 15, 2018 00:28
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JBP posted:Thank you for giving up. does having autism mitigate you from being wrong on the internet (and in life generally?)
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Jun 15, 2018 00:31
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Recoome posted:does having autism mitigate you from being wrong on the internet (and in life generally?) I don't know, are you saying I have autism?
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Jun 15, 2018 00:32
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JBP posted:Having autism while murdering doesn't add another can of pal to an already unappetising mix. Nowhere is it said that he has autism.
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Jun 15, 2018 00:32
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you know if you can't afford travel insurance, you can't afford the trip? if you can't afford a safe way to get home, you can't afford to go out. Live within your means (don't go out late)
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Jun 15, 2018 00:33
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Zenithe posted:Nowhere is it said that he has autism. Victoria Legal Aid lawyer John Riordan said it was Mr Todd's first time in custody and stressed his vulnerability in that environment due to his youth and diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.
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Jun 15, 2018 00:34
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Maybe you should have a working understanding of these definitions before you talk poo poo? Those are not the same thing.
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Jun 15, 2018 00:35
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first JBP killed poultry, now he’s killing this thread.
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JBP posted:Victoria Legal Aid lawyer John Riordan said it was Mr Todd's first time in custody and stressed his vulnerability in that environment due to his youth and diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. yes but that's just about his current situation about being in custody, it doesn't speak to his frame of mind during the rape/murder (which is actually more important in deciding whether mental health was a factor). realtalk JBP you are really demonstrating you have no loving idea what you are talking about haha
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The other article I read simple said "has autism and needs medication" but I think it was the hun and I don't have a sub.
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Recoome posted:yes but that's just about his current situation about being in custody, it doesn't speak to his frame of mind during the rape/murder (which is actually more important in deciding whether mental health was a factor). I'm talking about community safety. You all latched onto autism because you love it. It was auxiliary to anything I care about in the situation.
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bell jar posted:
If only we could have the 1970's again. Half joking. I try not to think too hard about what kind of danger I and my siblings put themselves in for years. But in the 70's such militancy would have been seen as proactive, now politicians would make snarky comments about times of the month. It's no win in the patriarchy.
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Recoome posted:yes but that's just about his current situation about being in custody, it doesn't speak to his frame of mind during the rape/murder (which is actually more important in deciding whether mental health was a factor). Can people with autism form memories of things they have done and be asked about that at a later date?
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The solution is simole: burn Melbourne to the ground Seriously though that poo poo is hosed up. Most liveable city in the world and a woman still can walk home through a populated area with out being murdered out of hand.
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JBP posted:Can people with autism form memories of things they have done and be asked about that at a later date? I don't understand, are you trying to undermine your own argument here?
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Recoome posted:I don't understand, are you trying to undermine your own argument here? Can you ask him how he felt while murdering?
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JBP posted:It doesn't mitigate anything he's done. It describes how complicated the situation is and adds another level of complexity to saying you shouldn't have to take any responsibility for your own safety. People aren't simple enough that education will make all of them act perfectly. Got it. Need to protect ourselves from roving murderous :sperg:s Edit: woah a whole extra page since I refreshed norp fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Jun 15, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/channeltennews/status/1007409222907072512
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mentioning the 'tism in anything resembling a negative context is possibly the single most surefire way of uniting goons against you
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Jonah Galtberg posted:mentioning the 'tism in anything resembling a negative context is possibly the single most surefire way of uniting goons against you But TISM are poo poo?
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I am poo poo
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I really wish the government actually started doing something about men terrorising women. Maybe all men need to either be locked up after dark or only allowed out in pairs at night. Ya know, to keep them from raping and murdering women. And to protect them from false rape accusations. 
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Gridlocked posted:The solution is simole: burn Australia to the ground
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Jonah Galtberg posted:mentioning the 'tism in anything resembling a negative context is possibly the single most surefire way of uniting goons against you close, its "he has autism so its a mitigator" when the others are syaing he is a murderer with autism, like a murderer with a bad back, or a murderer with only one arm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS74e-4dQLU
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