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I know it'd probably piss most people off, but im unironically in support of saying gently caress migrating the posts and just kicking everyone's usernames over and letting that be that, but I guess this is more about features on this thing instead of a new forum. the arrow is good, thank you.
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Whoever said to bring the digg button back.... it's back
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Jun 15, 2018 18:33
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r u ready to WALK posted:I'm still waiting for Lowtax to integrate clippy.js into the forum experience
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Jun 15, 2018 18:39
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If there were a new forum platform called "the new SomethingAwful location" hosted somewhere with a ton of completely empty subforums laid out in the same way, they'd fill up pretty fast with new threads and people from here would pretty much know what to do. Having the existing threads there wouldn't add much value, even less so over time (they might as well slip into archives once the new place is filled up with new threads).
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Jun 15, 2018 18:40
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Yeah you'd still be paying to host the old software at the old links concurrently with the new but you're paying to host the old stuff right now anyway. Traffic would split between them as people either want to see an old thread or a new one, they wouldn't do both simultaneously. I don't know what this "exponential increase" nonsense is with the traffic costs of running both platforms concurrently for a little while.
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Jun 15, 2018 18:40
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Lowtax posted:That's really not at all how things work. aw man
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Jun 15, 2018 18:42
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Honestly don't even migrate usernames over, if you tell us it's the new location and sound certain about it I'd immediately pay $10bux+ again to register with an even cooler username than this one out of a giant pool where none are taken. The SA experience is worth more than ten dollars and it could be a great fundraiser and quality filter to just charge everyone again.
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Jun 15, 2018 18:43
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Hey lowtax I am using the awful app which basically does this stuff. Is my using this app running you if any money, or does it actually save you bandwidth? I am ad free subscriber anyway.
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Jun 15, 2018 18:47
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Honestly don't even migrate usernames over, if you tell us it's the new location and sound certain about it I'd immediately pay $10bux+ again to register with an even cooler username than this one out of a giant pool where none are taken. The SA experience is worth more than ten dollars and it could be a great fundraiser and quality filter to just charge everyone again. dibs on "Lowtax"
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Jun 15, 2018 18:50
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Also feature idea: You wisely don't let users karma hunt by having individual posts rateable. But what if you actually could rate posts but no one could actually see the karma of it? Even the poster. They'd just see how many upvotes they got in the last month. Bragging about your number would be a sixer. And there wouldn't be a downvote button. People would just be able to see if people like their posts in general.
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Jun 15, 2018 18:51
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Honestly don't even migrate usernames over, if you tell us it's the new location and sound certain about it I'd immediately pay $10bux+ again to register with an even cooler username than this one out of a giant pool where none are taken. The SA experience is worth more than ten dollars and it could be a great fundraiser and quality filter to just charge everyone again. all he would have to do is point the new software server to forums.somethingawful.com and shut down the old one and it'd be donezo at least from that aspect, as far as i know
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Jun 15, 2018 18:52
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Also feature idea: Everyone's worst and best three posts can be linked next to their avatar like a scarlet letter or a wall of shame Kind of rewards dogpiling in arguments but it instantly gives you a feel for if you're dealing with an idiot / troll or not
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Jun 15, 2018 18:54
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Hey lowtax I am using the awful app which basically does this stuff. Is my using this app running you if any money, or does it actually save you bandwidth? I am ad free subscriber anyway. If you feel guilty about being a burden on society there's always https://www.patreon.com/GamingGarbage
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Dumb Lowtax posted:If there were a new forum platform called "the new SomethingAwful location" hosted somewhere with a ton of completely empty subforums laid out in the same way, they'd fill up pretty fast with new threads and people from here would pretty much know what to do. Having the existing threads there wouldn't add much value, even less so over time (they might as well slip into archives once the new place is filled up with new threads).
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Hey lowtax I am using the awful app which basically does this stuff. Is my using this app running you if any money, or does it actually save you bandwidth? I am ad free subscriber anyway.
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Lowtax posted:Okay, say we do that. How do we migrate the purchase management system over, as well as create and migrate the different classes, such as platinum and no-ads? Also how do we style everything so it looks relatively the same? Like I said, this isn't an easy task, and no matter how you do it, very time consuming. Right, the style stuff and configuration and customization is going to take some time no matter what, I'm just saying some stuff can be left out and eventually won't be missed -- eliminating the need for a migration at all. A brand new purchase management system on the new site unconnected to the old one sounds hard but also sounds like a pretty standard challenge for setting up a site, and an easier alternative to trying to connect it to the old system. Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jun 15, 2018 |
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Jun 15, 2018 19:06
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Also feature idea: I think I know exactly how much people like my posts... 
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Honestly I don't care if I lose platinum and have to pay for it again, or even if the "platinum status" concept is erased entirely. I got my money's worth out of platinum already. I'll keep paying for access no matter what because the experience of SA is worth more than tens of dollars. If the new forum software is laid out in a way where privileged classes don't make sense (maybe it already presents features like private messages for users without extra burden or cost) then just don't have platinum and no-ads users anymore, I won't miss it.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Honestly I don't care if I lose platinum and have to pay for it again, or even if the "platinum status" concept is erased entirely. I got my money's worth out of platinum already. I'll keep paying for access no matter what because the experience of SA is worth more than tens of dollars. If the new forum software is laid out in a way where privileged classes don't make sense (maybe it already presents features like private messages for users without extra burden or cost) then just don't have platinum users anymore, I won't miss it.
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I think we could pick and choose what to carry over rather than try to make things identical from the get-go - which seems like such a barrier it'll just never happen anyway. Style can be tweaked on the fly, that can be an after-the-fact thing. It would be wise to have account usernames/passwords and whatever upgrades carry over but what would it hurt if e.g. post counts, reg dates, rap sheets, and so on were all wiped out? Clean the slate imo,, if that's the only way it's going to actually happen.
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Also an aside, I would NOT have the patience you have for people making GBS threads on the new features. I know the feeling of spending hours on something and perfecting it purely for other people's benefit (making their life easier) and then immediately having dozens of the responses rudely dismissing it. I don't know how you do this. Thanks for sticking through it and being here for the folks actually trying to be constructive.
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I should add that I know little about web development, and I do realize half the forums freak out when the font size changes by 0.2 pixels, so I am more stating my worthless opinion rather than saying "but it's so easy just do it this way"
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Lowtax posted:Okay, say we do that. How do we migrate the purchase management system over, as well as create and migrate the different classes, such as platinum and no-ads? Also how do we style everything so it looks relatively the same? Like I said, this isn't an easy task, and no matter how you do it, very time consuming. https://xenforo.com/help/user-upgrades/ As far as I understand it, you can make avatar changes a "user upgrade" as well as private messages, which is basically what plat is right? I may be oversimplifying it and you may be overcomplicating it, but I think it's somewhere in the middle and should be completely doable 
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yeah i think the all at once approach leads to the current situation of nothing happening. i think it's important to have *something* and then build on that software rewiring 101: don't shoot for 100% feature match from the get-go, that's never going to happen. once you are on the good new system though with good devs you should be able to get something even better than the original in a relatively short period of time
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:https://xenforo.com/help/user-upgrades/ Paypal? I like that it had expiring upgrades though.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Also an aside, I would NOT have the patience you have for people making GBS threads on the new features. I know the feeling of spending hours on something and perfecting it purely for other people's benefit (making their life easier) and then immediately having the first several replies poo poo all over it out of spite. I don't know how you do this. Thanks for sticking through it and being here for the folks actually trying to be constructive.
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Maybe you feel like you'd be ripping people off if all the paid stuff was wiped out and started fresh, but are you sure everyone else would feel that way? If it's a brand new website that offers different features I don't think people would have the impression that they are already owed anything on it. Maybe other people can chime in to say whether it would actually bother them. I honestly think people are eager enough to join a new forum assuming it comes with far more modern features and performance that they'd happily leave behind their paid special features on the old software.
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This is a forum where at times the tradition was "ban people whenever it is funny enough to do so" and that still continues with joke probations in the trump thread and it is still hilarious. We all thought that was great, so maybe the types of people who would not throw a fit over ten bucks and rejoin anyway are exactly the types of folks who you want around?
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Maybe you feel like you'd be ripping people off if all the paid stuff was wiped out and started fresh, but are you sure everyone else would feel that way? If it's a brand new website that offers different features I don't think people would have the impression that they are already owed anything on it. Maybe other people can chime in to say whether it would actually bother them. I honestly think people are eager enough to join a new forum assuming it comes with far more modern features and performance that they'd happily leave behind their paid special features on the old software. Chiming in with the first  Dumb Lowtax posted:This is a forum where at times the tradition was "ban people whenever it is funny enough to do so" and that still continues with joke probations in the trump thread and it is still hilarious. We all thought that was great, so maybe the types of people who would not throw a fit over ten bucks and rejoin anyway are exactly the types of folks who you want around? that too Hipster_Doofus fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jun 15, 2018 |
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Maybe you feel like you'd be ripping people off if all the paid stuff was wiped out and started fresh, but are you sure everyone else would feel that way? If it's a brand new website that offers different features I don't think people would have the impression that they are already owed anything on it. Maybe other people can chime in to say whether it would actually bother them. I honestly think people are eager enough to join a new forum assuming it comes with far more modern features and performance that they'd happily leave behind their paid special features on the old software. As much as we'd hop on in to the new stuff, there are definitely going to be some people who won't, so the userbase will go down at least temporarily. That might not be ideal.
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I think the auto refresh is unnecessary - it's a solution in search of a problem. I've never regretted that the forums display was out of date but I could see regretting that it refreshed on me, if a thread I liked disappeared to the second page or goldmine. There are some suggestions for reducing bandwidth in QCS, apparently the animals at the top of the page have a bunch of exif data being loaded on every page view. Removing that could save you some cash and should be super easy.
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Auto refresh: It's good and useful, but there's also a use to not have it auto refresh. Say if you want to have the list of threads to remain static to see them later without them jumping around. Add a little auto refresh switch somewhere and have it save that preference. Front page: Make the forums the front page, and combine some features of the front page onto the front page of the forums. This will bring more traffic and new users for more 
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Lowtax posted:I still wouldn't do that, it'd totally be ripping off everybody and I'd feel like a piece of poo poo. Plus there would still be the issue of integrating the purchase management system with user class and permissions. First off -Thank you Lowtax for running these forums, and the years of Photoshop Fridays, Klurf animations, and comedy highjinks. Some of the threads give me a smile daily (looking at you "Post your Favorite line from My 600 Lb Life") I have loved it all and appreciate your grand endeavor. Truthfully To the business at hand: -I wish we could migrate the content. Some of the stuff is priceless. A couple of weeks ago I watched a bunch of Second Life griefing. Still made me LoL -But truthfully going back is rare. I really come here for the new. Forum threads and Comedy features - I have more than gotten my value out of the 10 bucks. I would gladly re-register, and repay if you have to start completely over on a new platform to get the costs way down. Look and feel are nice, but what matters is that a couple of the main functions are there. A working forum, A front page with contributed content, the basics -Archive the old stuff to cloud storage and if someone ever gets a bug up their butt and can port it over great. But if not it is what it is. Don't be sad
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I think the auto refresh is unnecessary - it's a solution in search of a problem.
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Lowtax posted:I'm not sure about that... I specifically remember a lot of people asking for that feature a few years ago when I made a thread asking what new features people would want to see implemented on the forums. I mean, I can disable it if it's universally loathed, but I recall a lot of people saying that was something they wanted. Not that it matters but I don't need/want it, it takes more bandwidth too. Maybe make a poll on the new features idk.
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Lowtax posted:I'm not sure about that... I specifically remember a lot of people asking for that feature a few years ago when I made a thread asking what new features people would want to see implemented on the forums. I mean, I can disable it if it's universally loathed, but I recall a lot of people saying that was something they wanted. Yeah I dont care either way about the function itself, I'm just concerned about the bandwidth hit
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Lowtax posted:I'm not sure about that... I specifically remember a lot of people asking for that feature a few years ago when I made a thread asking what new features people would want to see implemented on the forums. I mean, I can disable it if it's universally loathed, but I recall a lot of people saying that was something they wanted. It's probably one of those like it or hate it things, where some people really want it and some people have zero use for it. The ideal would probably just be to let users enable or disable it according to their preference, but you've already said that doing that at the user level would be difficult because it would require adding a field to this godforsaken database. That said, it doesn't necessarily have to be at the user level. The YOSPOS stylesheet setting doesn't seem to be stored in the database, for instance.
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