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Truga posted:that's a false equivalence Okay so, with how this game handles gear, how do you think Crafted Current Savage IL gear would work?
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Jun 19, 2018 13:40
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Man, who the gently caress cares
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Jun 19, 2018 13:42
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First of all, by not having poo poo stats on gear. I know, expecting a MMO to do better is futile, so how about "how do you handle your savage and tome gear having poo poo stats currently?" You just deal with it, and that option still exists. Also I never said I want to craft savage gear, I just want bound gear to be gone from the game.
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Jun 19, 2018 13:42
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Truga posted:First of all, by not having poo poo stats on gear. I know, expecting a MMO to do better is futile, so how about "how do you handle your savage and tome gear having poo poo stats currently?" You were explicitly talking about someone not liking crafted gear being endgame cause it means if you're not constantly crafting or doing money making decisions you just kinda would get screwed.
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Jun 19, 2018 13:44
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Why? You can still grind savage for gear like you can now. You could also trade for it if it wasn't bound, and that's completely off the table currently. e: I also never said anything about crafting and endgame. Truga fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jun 19, 2018 |
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Jun 19, 2018 13:45
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I think crafted gear in this game could afford to be a bit better if only because it feels super sad to see your incoming coming from other crafters because no one really cares about the combat gear.
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Jun 19, 2018 14:02
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Aren't some of the i360 accessories included in some of the current BiS builds? Also, an i360 crafted weapon is the easiest way to get a weapon that can basically do any content you need currently. Min/Maxing stats in this game is kind of useless outside of progression, if you're not clearing content it's not because there's spell speed on your hat instead of crit.
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Jun 19, 2018 14:07
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Honestly it doesn't matter that much. Crafting in itself is pretty fun if the process of gathering poo poo and maxing out byregot strikes your fancy, it'd be better if you could sell your poo poo to players doing dungeons, but as it is you mostly only sell it to other crafters/gatherers. If anything, making combat gear should be easier and/or cheaper, so people could buy poo poo off of MB when they hit 70. With less dungeons, there's a lot less opportunity for free tomes for newbies after all.
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Jun 19, 2018 14:16
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edit: nm, early morning reading comprehension issues
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Jun 19, 2018 14:27
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Ouhei posted:Min/Maxing stats in this game is kind of useless outside of progression, if you're not clearing content it's not because there's spell speed on your hat instead of crit. While this is true a lot of people's primary motivator is the skinner box of getting better gear whether they admit it to themselves or not. Although this didn't seem as much of an issue for me in FFXIV players as it was in WoW.
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Jun 19, 2018 14:28
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I really loving hate getting a ton of spell speed on my gear I have literaly zero use for and will go out of my way to avoid it, to the point of clearing savage content in pf if I have to. I wish they just let me choose which stats I want for my character like in literally every other game grenre, but I guess that's too complicated for the mmo audience these days. 
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Jun 19, 2018 14:33
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I'm gay and love the aniki tribe around the dawn throne
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Jun 19, 2018 14:45
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Truga posted:I really loving hate getting a ton of spell speed on my gear I have literaly zero use for and will go out of my way to avoid it, to the point of clearing savage content in pf if I have to. The monkey paw curls a finger inward. A plan to introduce crafted gear with customizable base stats is announced. Komoto is placed in charge of the customization system. I think City of Heroes was the only MMO I've played where your could go crazy with stat customization and still find viable builds even if you ran way off the reservation. I suspect most publishers are terrified of giving people too many options, not just from the standpoint of the balancing nightmare, but out of fear that players will either gimp themselves terribly or feel overwhelmed and then leave. And even if they do give you freedom to do anything, nerds will still math out the One True Build anyway and everybody who doesn't adhere to it is a loser. MMOs are just kind or weird and fucky, man.
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Jun 19, 2018 14:54
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Kitfox88 posted:I'm gay and love the aniki tribe around the dawn throne I thought their main problem was that they were way too heterosexual?
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Jun 19, 2018 15:24
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It would be cool if dungeon and 24 man gear became tradeable when it is no longer current content. Crafted gear being BIS can gently caress right off, though. Tank accessories are already like that and it's awful.
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Jun 19, 2018 15:29
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If you're actually upset that crafted accessories (and therefore huge amounts of strength) are the best for tanks, you need to make more crafter friends. I couldn't construct my way out of a paper bag, but I know a dozen different people that will shower me in rings if I throw enough materials at them.
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Jun 19, 2018 15:35
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Darth Walrus posted:I thought their main problem was that they were way too heterosexual? Not the yellow clothed ones, the blue dudes. quote:Buduga: An all-male tribe which only increases its ranks through battle and kidnapping. They're the dudes who come and ask for hien in exchange for trade concessions in the second doman enclave cutscene
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Jun 19, 2018 15:48
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Ouhei posted:Aren't some of the i360 accessories included in some of the current BiS builds? Also, an i360 crafted weapon is the easiest way to get a weapon that can basically do any content you need currently. Might be different for other classes but I know Samurai (and presumably Monk)'s BiS right side is all either augmented Mendacity gear or O5S accessory drops. In fact thats basically exclusively across the board for the BiS gear I've looked at. It's either all augmented Mendacity Gear or the Savage drops. I don't have an opinion on bound gear in that I dont really think its that much of an issue and most of the stuff you cant trade/sell is actually proper rare unless you're grinding old dungeons for glamour.
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Jun 19, 2018 15:52
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So is Magnai's Au Ra buddy in the MSQ cutscene a Buduga he conscripted? Because that guy seemed really into Hien.
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Jun 19, 2018 15:53
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Crafted accessories being tier bis is actually really good cause there's like 25 of them, they only come from the first floor of the tier where you get two RNG offerings weekly, they cost 4 pages to buy when it really should just be two, and theres the very unlikely but still possible chance there may come a day where you need to fill out possibly 5 slots with all dropped accessories and that is an absolutely terrible thought.
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Jun 19, 2018 15:54
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Kitfox88 posted:I'm gay and love the aniki tribe around the dawn throne If only most of their members weren't complete assholes. Hobgoblin2099 posted:So is Magnai's Au Ra buddy in the MSQ cutscene a Buduga he conscripted? Because that guy seemed really into Hien. They have an alliance.
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Jun 19, 2018 16:03
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Confession: I had to politely ask a healer to stop DPSing so much and heal me (after she let me die 2-3 times last night because she was just spamming Holy) and I feel dirty and wrong ever asking a healer to DPS less. 
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Jun 19, 2018 16:30
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Just imagine that they were acting out after being told to DPS more, and now feel justified in believing that honest healing is the best healing.
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Jun 19, 2018 16:36
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The.Goldilocks zone of "casts Holy a bunch but also the tank doesn't die" tends to move back and forth depending on how good the tank is, and as a result some people make no effort to find it.
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Jun 19, 2018 16:55
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Relax Or DIE posted:Just imagine that they were acting out after being told to DPS more, and now feel justified in believing that honest healing is the best healing. You either die a sicko, or live long enough to see yourself become honest.
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Jun 19, 2018 16:56
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Truga posted:Also I never said I want to craft savage gear, I just want bound gear to be gone from the game. That's loving stupid.
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Jun 19, 2018 17:31
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Still no healer top yet. Also too many pf sellers on aether.
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Jun 19, 2018 17:45
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:So is Magnai's Au Ra buddy in the MSQ cutscene a Buduga he conscripted? Because that guy seemed really into Hien. I mean, who isn't really into Hien at this point?
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Jun 19, 2018 18:15
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Speaking of dragon people, has anybody actually figured out yet where dotharl cloth to craft the Sadu minion comes from? It looks like it's notrade so it'd be weird for it to be a drop from hidden canals. If it's been posted online I may be bad at looking in the right places.
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Jun 19, 2018 19:22
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Thundarr posted:Speaking of dragon people, has anybody actually figured out yet where dotharl cloth to craft the Sadu minion comes from? It looks like it's notrade so it'd be weird for it to be a drop from hidden canals. If it's been posted online I may be bad at looking in the right places. Data miners think a shop will open up in the Doman Enclave when you get the second reconstruction achievement. That hasn't happened yet, but the cutscenes this week seem to indicate the reconstruction is almost done, so it seems likely it'll unlock next week.
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Jun 19, 2018 19:28
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Old gear should remove trade restrictions so people can have an easier time playing dress-up but current gear (lighthouse gear, tomestone gear, sigma gear, and savage gear) shouldn't
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Truga posted:No, it means it's the *only* way. What the gently caress does bound gear even have to do with crafting If you can buy bis gear because savage drops are tradeable, then the best way to get your gear is to farm money instead of playing the actual real game, which is dumb Mostly pointless drops like dungeon stuff being tradeable wouldn't really matter and the price would probably settle around the average value of the desynth e: to clarify a bit, while crafted and bound are wrapped up in this game (and I think most modern MMOs?) there's no reason they have to be. You could have bound crafted gear or unbound uncrafted gear. My only argument is that the gear people are chasing should be obtainable through playing the game, not through side activities, and being bound is part of that. cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jun 19, 2018 |
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Jun 19, 2018 19:35
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Not to be crass but the only thing to do with the making GBS threads gear is play the game so who even cares? It'd be nice to be able to buy some obscure dungeon drops for glamour, otherwise I don't get the fuss.
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Jun 19, 2018 20:36
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Jose Valasquez posted:Old gear should remove trade restrictions so people can have an easier time playing dress-up but current gear (lighthouse gear, tomestone gear, sigma gear, and savage gear) shouldn't I'm 1000% down for this.
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Jun 19, 2018 20:38
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Shere posted:Not to be crass but the only thing to do with the making GBS threads gear is play the game so who even cares? Honestly they should really just bump the guaranteed loot at the end rules up to be universal for all roulettable instances and apply only to left side pieces. Getting full sets of their gear from dungeons over the course of 5 runs isn't going to stop people from queuing for roulettes. Personally, I'll just continue to do what I do and convert the rewards to seals anyway.
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Jun 19, 2018 21:49
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The stated reason for the guaranteed drops in 51-59 and 61-69 dungeons is because you won't be running them much compared to level cap dungeons But uh I gotta say it's been months since I ran a level 50 or 60 dungeon, or any of the early stormblood dungeons. If that logic is the real reason, it should be a feature of every dungeon except the current expert roulette dungeons.
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Jun 19, 2018 21:53
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Alternative Monkey's Paw curling on customization: the Novus Relic step. For all of your gear.Thundarr posted:And even if they do give you freedom to do anything, nerds will still math out the One True Build anyway and everybody who doesn't adhere to it is a loser. This is half of the problem. It's really, really, really hard to have lots of meaningful choices. The meaning gets diluted the more choices you add. Which is why most recent MMO's nowadays with customizable stats generally stick to the 'doing your thing harder, critting harder, doing things faster' model (in FFXIV terms: focusing Det, focusing Crit, focusing speed.) Even that tends to get mathed into 'Optimal Builds' by people. I mean, Damage is a formula after all. It can be solved for. The only way FFXIV can make 'sub' tiers of gear (two items of equal ilvl, one 'better' than the other) is by messing with the substats on them. The other half is the inevitable conflict between players and devs on how fast content is completed. Player's typically want to complete content as fast as possible, while dev's want their content to last for awhile. Limiting access to gear and making it's acquisition random is extending the life of the content. Unbinding gear allows it to be acquired easier (due to players being able to trade/market it) but the content life would suffer since people could just market mogul their way to the rewards without doing the content. It's not perfect (RNG proofing drops to be relevant to the classes present is an idea worth exploring IE: You have a tank, healer and two casters, so you only see tank, healer and caster gear) but it's a problem they have been looking at, judging by how they upped the drops from EXDR to 2 items per boss chest and 1-2 per extra chest.
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It won't even take like Nerds mathing it out. It's pretty obvious what substats are good for your class by just kind of knowing what your class does. Spell Speed (especially before this current patch) was a mostly bad past a very small minimum on AST because your class is about weaving poo poo between casts. Similarly, BRD really really Wants Crit all day all night because their class gimmick is based on DoT ticks criting. WAR's bezerk/IR guarantees True Crits so Crit is your A #1 stat because it increases the size of the crits. Basically unless they start introducing skill tress with split abilities there's kind of just the one stat spread any one class wants and it's usually pretty easy to figure out. There's not a lot of space meaningful choice in gear unless they drastically changed how classes and combat work.
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Jun 19, 2018 22:49
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To each their own - IME the 50/60 DR is a solid source of newbie bonuses for Poetics/WT and Creation tomes for crafting.
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https://twinfinite.net/2018/06/ffxiv-e3-2018-interview Yoship himself confirming that Eureka is indeed killing ffxiv.
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