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GUI
Nov 5, 2005

Phantasium posted:

Huh, the Xbox version of SotN had an update for some reason.

Maybe they added the original (and superior) credits song back.

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FanaticalMilk
Mar 11, 2011


corn in the bible posted:

I want a new Tetris Grand Master god drat it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1pzrME5kuE

Would it make you happy or mad to know that Arika is sitting on a completely finished version of Tetris Grand Master 4 that they've been unable to release due to licensing issues.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Looper posted:

America has always been the bad guy

only in squirrel and hedgehog

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

The FGC is my jam and Puyo Puyo Tetris has made a showing at events
https://twitter.com/cleargatewest/status/886069417116925952

This is nice to see since Youtube keeps recommending me videos of Tetris players getting owned by Puyo Puyo players.

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

GUI posted:

Maybe they added the original (and superior) credits song back.

Not that I thought they would, but nope. Also didn't fix the garbled graphics in the ending.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Electric Phantasm posted:

This is nice to see since Youtube keeps recommending me videos of Tetris players getting owned by Puyo Puyo players.

iirc puyo combos give you a lot more garbage for the opponent than tetris combos do and it's kind of bullshit

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Hey.


Does anyone else think that the best part of any pie is the crust?

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Electric Phantasm posted:

This is nice to see since Youtube keeps recommending me videos of Tetris players getting owned by Puyo Puyo players.

From what I know about the scene, the most popular competitive mode is swap (where you alternate between Tetris and Puyo Puyo Boards throughout the match) and yeah, for most players even the standard Puyo Puyo chains will overwhelm the majority of Tetris players.

Amemiyataiyo (the guy in the clip) is so fast at Tetris though that he can delete the garbage that three players are sending at him simultaneously.

That said, because Swap is the preferred mode it means that all the hardcore Tetris specialists aren't involved

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Jay Rust posted:

Hey.


Does anyone else think that the best part of any pie is the crust?

no

Doorknob Slobber
Sep 10, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
the vampire lady in nioh is pissing me off

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Jay Rust posted:

Hey.


Does anyone else think that the best part of any pie is the crust?

it all depends on the crust. i've had some great crust, and i've had some crust that tasted like it was made out of non toxic play-doh

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Jay Rust posted:

Hey.


Does anyone else think that the best part of any pie is the crust?

I wouldn't say that it's the best, but when the filling is too sweet I appreciate that it can restore balance

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Jay Rust posted:

Hey.


Does anyone else think that the best part of any pie is the crust?

Depends on the pie. No for apple or steak and ale, big yes for pork.

Also I know I'm late to the party but wow that what happened to America dude sucks.

Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer

Serf posted:

people asking "what happened to america" are directly responsible for what's happened to america

Well, they don't even know "US" is not the same as America, so what do you expect.

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003

spudsbuckley posted:

I'm pretty sure Funky Kong is cultural appropriation somehow so I'm off to write an essay on how you should all feel ashamed because you know that he exists and it is definitely something that should matter in your life.

corn in the bible posted:

if i was a mod this would be a mod challenge but it's not so i'm just gonna say you're a dumbass

Hello.

Spudsbuckley, you have 1 week to write a 1000 word essay on exactly what you just said.

Rules:

1) It must be serious.
2) It must use valid examples.
3) You must link it to Persona 5 and your odd views on why homosexuals "shouldn't be so thin skinned" about their portrayal.

If after a week you have not done it you can have a nice time out.

If somebody else in this thread beats you to it, then they can decide on your punishment.

Enjoy! :D

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
write me a 1000 word essay on the top gay couples in every tales game

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

The Colonel posted:

write me a 1000 word essay on the top gay couples in every tales game

I'm just gonna write "Velvet x random village girl" 200 times hope that's okay

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

The Colonel posted:

write me a 1000 word essay on the top gay couples in every tales game
heard vesperia has a lot of yuri in it, can't wait

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!

homeless snail posted:

heard vesperia has a lot of yuri in it, can't wait

well, it has at least two kinds

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
I don't remember any gay characters in the Tales games I played back in the day (Phantasia, Destiny, Symphonia, Abyss, Legendia) but it's been a real long time and I wasn't exactly looking for it

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

cheetah7071 posted:

I don't remember any gay characters in the Tales games I played back in the day (Phantasia, Destiny, Symphonia, Abyss, Legendia) but it's been a real long time and I wasn't exactly looking for it
Dist was totally into Jade.

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

Wow I didn’t think mod challenges happened anymore lol

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!

cheetah7071 posted:

I don't remember any gay characters in the Tales games I played back in the day (Phantasia, Destiny, Symphonia, Abyss, Legendia) but it's been a real long time and I wasn't exactly looking for it

wrt abyss, dist is heavily implied as being into jade. richard in graces f is sort of portrayed as having feelings for asbel, tales of xillia has a side villain who (though the english tl gets a bit odd about it) is pretty much confirmed as being gay for the main antagonist and iirc the dub voice actor even specifically played him that way as a character, sorey in zestiria is kind of consistently shown as not really being interested in women and the biggest relationship focus he gets is with mikleo. the zestiria anime also basically portrays alisha and rose as lesbian girlfriends and literally ends on them sitting on a beach together and saying they love each other

i haven't played it yet but i hear vesperia also has a lot of bits around rita mordio crushing on estelle

The Colonel fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Jun 20, 2018

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

tbh with a written essay about a literally impossible topic vs a week probation, I'd take the probe. should have made it a ban imo

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

Raxivace posted:

Dist was totally into Jade.

i mean

who wouldn't be

spudsbuckley
Aug 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

(and can't post for 5 years!)

VideoGames posted:

Hello.

Spudsbuckley, you have 1 week to write a 1000 word essay on exactly what you just said.

Rules:

1) It must be serious.
2) It must use valid examples.
3) You must link it to Persona 5 and your odd views on why homosexuals "shouldn't be so thin skinned" about their portrayal.

If after a week you have not done it you can have a nice time out.

If somebody else in this thread beats you to it, then they can decide on your punishment.

Enjoy! :D

Just give me the probe now, tia

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
the flaw in this mod challenge from the start was assuming that spudsbuckley would willingly post something funny to read

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
Eagerly awaiting the big showdown between white dragon and corn in the bible as they fight to the death in tetrisphere

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
If you take the probe now it will be a month because that is too unsporting. :(

I assumed from your assertions that there was such an untapped amount of information to be gleaned. You seemed so determined about the whole thing.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soM9BQ_Yajk

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

spudsbuckley posted:

Just give me the probe now, tia

Double sentence for refusing to entertain imo

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

tetrisphere owns

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

only two levels left in the octo expansion... and they're both Orb Levels

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009

cheetah7071 posted:

tetrisphere owns

I remember having fun with it but I also remember having no idea how to play it.

Nintendo published it, did it ever get referenced in smash bros as like a trophy or anything?

spudsbuckley
Aug 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

(and can't post for 5 years!)

VideoGames posted:

If you take the probe now it will be a month because that is too unsporting. :(


Cool. Go nuts.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

what happened to america
https://twitter.com/itssnails/status/1009352903251783680

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

VideoGames posted:

If somebody else in this thread beats you to it, then they can decide on your punishment.

Enjoy! :D
Funky Kong, Surfing, and Cultural Appropriation

Funky Kong (ファンキーコング Fankī Kongu) is a character introduced in Donkey Kong Country (1994) for the SNES. Donkey Kong Country was developed by Rare, a western company, and not Nintendo, a Japanese company and holders of the rights to Donkey Kong. This is critical information for further in this essay.



Pictured: Funky Kong's render in Donkey Kong Country (1994, Rare)

1994 was a peak year for surfing culture in the west. The former West Coast Surfing Championship expanded and became known as the US Open of Surfing. The film Endless Summer II, often regarded as one of the best surfing films ever made, was released. It is natural that Rare, a western developer with direct insight into these trends, would take them as a small influence on their work. This in itself is not appropriation - surfing is enjoyed by people of all races, and is an internationally recognized sport.

However, it is worth looking into the origins of surfing culture, to see where the problems begin to arise.

Surfing, as some readers might know, started as in Polynesia. Fishermen would ride out to sea on planks of wood, stand on them, and catch fish using the board as a platform. However, the act of riding the plank of wood itself was enjoyable enough, and so the Polynesians cultivated it into a pasttime. While it was still used to catch fish, it was also used simply for the enjoyment of riding the waves.

Even contemporary surfing began in, quite critically, *pre*-colonial Hawaii. Those higher up in society would often lay claim to the best beaches, and even the act of constructing a surfboard held religious significance. Surfing was not at the core of Hawaiian society, but it was an important aspect of it. The best surfers gained respect among their peers, even if they were commoners.

When Hawaii was colonized, surfing suffered a sharp decline. Smallpox and other diseases were common, and when the sugar plantations were built, workers from places like Japan and China, with no knowledge of surfing or any form of Hawaiian culture, took the place of native Hawaiians as more and more of them passed away from disease and poverty.

As if that was not humiliating enough, Hawaii was essentially forced by America to become a territory. Citizens had no voting rights, and Christian missionaries discouraged actions that showed any fealty to a religion other than their own. This included surfing, and the practice was rare. Native Hawaiians posed in loincloths at popular surfing locales, boards in hand, for the photographs of tourists, but this was a rare thing. The beaches that had once been home to vibrant communities of surfers were now sideshows, carnival tents for a few onlookers and the Hawaiian men that still felt the call of the ocean.

In 1907, the author Jack London came to Hawaii with his wife. London was, and still is, a respected author, with a focus on nature and its wonders. His most famous novels, White Fang and Call of the Wild, focused on wolves. The hotel they were staying at was located near a beach, and the beach had a few surfers - Native Hawaiians and those of mixed descent, a small clique called the Waikiki Swimming Club. Jack London was fascinated by this sport, and the greatest of the surfers in the clique, a young Irish/Hawaiian named George Freeth.

That same year, starting the novel while still on vacation with help from a journalist named Alexander Hume Ford, London published A Royal Sport: Surfing in Waikiki.

"Where but the moment before was only the wide desolation and invincible roar, is now a man, erect, full statured, not-struggling frantically in that wild movement, not buried and crushed and buffeted by those mighty monsters, but standing above them all, calm and superb, poised on the giddy summit, his feet buried in the churning foam, the salt smoke rising to his knees, and all the rest of him in the free air and flashing sunlight, and he is flying through the air, flying forward, flying fast as the surge on which he stands. He is a Mercury-a brown Mercury. His heels are winged, and in them is the swiftness of the sea."

London had a clear fascination and love of the sport, and as soon as his short story was published, fans were eager to see it in action. In the days before even film reels, thee was only one way to accomplish this: Freeth was invited to California by railroad magnate Henry Huntington. With Huntington's endorsement, Freeth displayed his talents and athleticism at a few events to promote Huntington's business interests.

Here we can see a clear trend emerging: surfing as a cog in the gears of capitalism. London's short story, while blatantly indulgent, can be excused. But Huntington, whatever his motivations, used surfing as a prop: a way to increase revenue, and nothing more.

Even London's actions, in later contexts, begin to sting. In later years, as surfing experienced its boom in the 1950s and onwards, many 'beach bums' - white, middle-classed, 14-30 - would describe the spiritual experience of riding the waves, how it led them to a deep epiphany. Yet these were epiphanies the Polynesians were having thousands of years ago. Without a journalist around to immortalize their words, and without the motivation of rebelling against a parent, or a government.

Which brings us back to Funky Kong.

Funky Kong is a gorilla in a surfing hat.

It's not even a particularly good surfing hat. The shades and bandana could just as easily imply a biker, or perhaps Hollywood Hulk Hogan. The only thing tying Funky Kong to surfing is, quite literally, the surfboard in his hands. He peppers his sentences with 'dude' and 'woah,' but Funky Kong is a one note joke. Donkey Kong Country features several characters like this - being a super nintendo game with no voice acting, extended cutscenes, or indeed much of a plot, its characters exist primarily for gameplay. Funky Kong exists to provide transportation to the player, quick travel back to already completed levels on his seaplane. He also hosts a small fishing minigame, perhaps a tie to the roots of surfing, but more than likely just a thing people do at the sea.

You'll note that at no point during any of this does Funky Kong actually surf.

Surfing is a prop, an adjective put in front of the word 'Gorilla.' The only thing keeping them from literally calling him Surf Kong is that a Hong Kong-based company called Surf Kong already exists, though whether Rare was aware of this is up in the air.

In fact, surfing means so little to Funky Kong that you could literally just remove it from him and it would still be, functionally, the same character.



Pictured: Funky Kong in Donkey Kong 64 (2000, Rare)

Huh.

Funky Kong, and by extension Rare, did not cause the centuries of colonization, oppression, and gentrification that led surfing to where it is today, a half-remembered fad of the 50s to 70s and occasional Olympic sport. In Hawaii, many native Hawaiians, suffering in poverty, cannot even afford a surfboard. Especially not one that would make them remotely competitive at surfing events. Indeed, Hawaii competes separately from the US in pro surfing, due to being excluded from competing officially in the past.

The people who loved this sport, who invented it, barred from competing in it by the people who adopted it as a fad.

Funky Kong is an example of that 'fad's short shelf life - his mannerisms were fairly dated even in the 90s, and in 2018 the only part of him that is even recognizable to modern youth is the surfboard in his hand. Even then, surfing is a rare sport. Hard to practice due to geography, and how much coordination it requires.

Surfing has been chewed up by capitalism and spat back out, pro surfboards that can cost upwards of a thousand dollars, decorated in the emblems of corporations. Funky Kong did not do this, but Funky Kong is a disquieting example of how easily this has filtered down through American society, and how few people stop to notice it. The creators of Funky Kong probably had little to no idea of any of this. Certainly, very few of the children that played Donkey Kong Country back in 1994 would have.

Funky Kong doesn't know, either.

Funky Kong just has a new Funky Mode.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

anyway permaban that chud please

or probate him for 50000000 hours

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
you forgot to connect it back to persona 5

good post though imo

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

cheetah7071 posted:

you forgot to connect it back to persona 5

good post though imo

i presumed that since it said 'your views,' that i, being a person who does not share those views on homosexuality and persona 5, did not have to do that. if video games would like me to redo the essay in order to incorporate this, i am willing to do so within the allotted time of a week, but only in the case that they hold off on probating spuds until that week has passed, or I submit the redone essay. This way, I am allowed to pick his punishment, as the original offer entailed.

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