JBP posted:

Which aspect of restorative justice applies when the family of the dead person has not and will never reconcile with the offender and wants them jailed forever?

JBP posted:

If a cop is raped and murdered in a park, let's say as a conversation starter, would you have this extremely hosed up attitude?

bell jar posted:

I had a brainfart and said restorative instead of rehabilitative, I thought you would get that from context but I guess your cop boner makes you more pedantic than usual

MysticalMachineGun posted:

Setting different sentencing levels depending on the victims job is segregation and a way of saying one person's worth is more than another due to their profession, which is the opposite of equality and socialism. The relationship of the murderer to the victim should definitely be taken into account with regards to sentencing but you can't say cop killers automatically never get parole as that is a slap in the face to all families of victims of similar crimes where parole is an option.

JBP posted:

It's less that it's a cop and more that he staged a bombing which killed someone.

quote:

The Victorian Government introduced the legislation that was the subject of the challenge in late 2016, to prevent people who killed police officers from being released.

JBP posted:

It's less that it's a cop and more that he staged a bombing which killed someone.

MysticalMachineGun posted:

Then it's about the nature of the crime and not the victim's occupation which is what the discussion was framed around

E: bell jar clarified

JBP posted:

Yeah for sure. I was caught up dealing with Bell Jar being foul. There shouldn't be tiers, but this guy shouldn't be leaving prison.

JBP posted:

e: also when you look at what the bomb was built to do, the intent was to kill way more than one.

JBP posted:

Undo it asap and lay down enormous public gently caress yous at every opportunity.

trunkh posted:

The problem with this is it requires bravery in the face of an inevitable hostile media landscape. There are many words that can be used to describe politians in Australia. Brave is not on that list.

bell jar posted:

That's fine, and for the parole board to decide under the sentence handed down when tried. Making a law specifically targeting this guy for killing cops, and then promising to pass more laws targeting this guy specifically to appease cops, is insanely hosed and a corruption of what you'd expect from due process in this country.

gently caress cops.

JBP posted:

I wonder if it is less about appeasing cops and more demonstrating support for are emergency services given all the poo poo being thrown at dandew recently.

bell jar posted:

Its not emergency services that are covered, only police. See my post above

Birdstrike posted:

lmao that the lnp has put all its eggs in the aspiration basket

Birdstrike posted:

aspirations? yeah I aspire to affordable housing, multinationals paying their fair share, a pay rise above CPI and full communism now.

checkmate libtards

The Before Times posted:

heck I'd settle for the first bit.

JBP posted:

The market is starting to provide on that front. Going to be a bit awkwarrrrrd in 2020 when there are all these developments sitting at stage one because no one wants to buy the $500k apartments that the developer must sell to fund stage two and three.

Intoluene posted:

Know what I aspire for? For all the people in the liberal party to get

JBP posted:

You realise there are LNP members that chose the career because they think it's a moral imperative to help people pick themselves off their bootstraps and get into work?

JBP posted:

The market is starting to provide on that front. Going to be a bit awkwarrrrrd in 2020 when there are all these developments sitting at stage one because no one wants to buy the $500k apartments that the developer must sell to fund stage two and three.

bell jar posted:

The Before Times posted:

I'm talking about affordable rentals, which it's going to take a while for that knock-on effect to happen (if it does at all, AirBnB seems to be absorbing a lot of the rental market in inner Melb). Mainly I want affordable rentals so I can save a deposit for those post-2020 rock bottom prices.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Embattled

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Embattled Liberal senator Lucy Gichuhi was taken to court seven times for failing to pay $8,359 worth of council rates and $1,372 in water bills.

Court documents obtained exclusively by Daily Mail Australia show the Kenyan-born federal MP faced legal action from City of Port Adelaide Enfield council, Whyalla City Council and the South Australian Water Corporation in 2013, 2014 and 2017.

The Turnbull Government senator, who is on a $203,000 salary, was ordered by local court magistrates to pay $9,731 in seven unpaid bills, related to two investment properties in Adelaide and one in regional Whyalla.

One unpaid council bill went to court just three weeks before she was sworn in last year as a senator, and another bill was taken to a magistrate four months after she became a member of Parliament.

G-Spot Run posted:

I disagree with her politics and I know they're trying to make her sound like a dodgy gently caress but all I'm getting from this article is "Kenyan-born lady may have been poor prior to getting a highly paid job".

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Embattled Liberal senator Lucy Gichuhi was taken to court seven times for failing to pay $8,359 worth of council rates and $1,372 in water bills.

Court documents obtained exclusively by Daily Mail Australia show the Kenyan-born federal MP faced legal action from City of Port Adelaide Enfield council, Whyalla City Council and the South Australian Water Corporation in 2013, 2014 and 2017.

The Turnbull Government senator, who is on a $203,000 salary, was ordered by local court magistrates to pay $9,731 in seven unpaid bills, related to two investment properties in Adelaide and one in regional Whyalla.

One unpaid council bill went to court just three weeks before she was sworn in last year as a senator, and another bill was taken to a magistrate four months after she became a member of Parliament.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Her multiple investment properties.

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This Young Woman Was Told To Take Off Her Union T-Shirt In A Busy Public Area At Parliament House

21-year-old apprentice Jasmyn Smith was shocked when a security officer told her to remove the t-shirt she was wearing, which featured a small Communications, Electrical and Plumbing Union (CEPU) logo, in the middle of the public foyer at Parliament House.

Smith told BuzzFeed News:

We had walked through security at the public entrance and were waiting in the main foyer.
A security guard came up and said: "Sorry, you can't wear union shirts here you need to take them off".
He specifically spoke to me and straight up said: "You need to take that off," referring to my jumper which says CPEU Tasmania.
I said that I had a CPEU shirt on underneath and he said: "You'll have to take that off as well."
I said, "I can't".
He said: "Take it off and turn it inside out".
I said, "I can't really take it off", because we were surrounded by people.
He pointed and said I could go over to the side of the foyer.
He was pretty aggressive and he specifically said "no union".
I didn't know what to do until someone gave me their jacket to put on and cover up my shirt.

Smith said the male guard specifically told the group that union material was banned from Parliament House.

This is despite earlier groups of apprentices entering in CPEU and ETU clothing, and Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union officials wearing union shirts around the building earlier in the week.

"He pinpointed us, he walked straight to us," she said. "He was abrupt...and I know if we didn't take our shirts off there would be an issue."

Smith said the group walked past a number of security guards outside and inside the building, but only one officer singled them out.

Mark Burgess, the national apprenticeship officer with the ETU was accompanying the group and was also asked to remove two badges with the union's logo. He refused, but was still permitted to enter the building.

"It's not campaign material, it's not offensive, it's our logo of our business," Burgess told BuzzFeed News.

"And where we're from, if someone from Apple came in, wearing an Apple logo, are they going to tell them to take their shirt off?" Smith added.

BuzzFeed News spoke to a number of unions which said staff routinely wear clothing emblazoned with union logos in Parliament House, and don't know why this group was targeted.

This was Smith's first visit to Parliament House, and it's left a sour taste in her mouth.

"I think these rules are stupid, if it is a real rule," she said. "If it was an issue for the other groups, or there was another security guard who explained that we would need to cover it up when we first came in, it probably wouldn't have been such a big issue. But because it was just that one security guard who came up after all these other ones had walked past us and left the situation alone, it made it seem political."

Smith was hoping to focus on talking to politicians about TAFE funding, low and inconsistent wages for apprentices, insecure work and the casualisation of TAFE teachers.

This isn't the first time someone has been asked to remove an item of clothing in Parliament House.

In 2015 a journalist was told to remove his t-shirt (emblazoned with the famous New York Post headline "Headless body in topless bar") by parliament security officers as it was deemed "offensive".

The Department of Parliamentary Services, which manages the security staff at Parliament House, did not answer BuzzFeed News' questions seeking clarification on the rules around clothing and whether union material is banned within the house.

drunkill posted:

https://twitter.com/SquigglyRick/status/1009593597383938050

Guardian Liveblog posted:

Peter Dutton is up to talk about how safe we are and how unsafe we could be.

He says he has cancelled “more visas of criminals in the last 12 months than Labor cancelled in six years”.