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Starshark posted:I see the editorial standards at the ABC are as good as ever. ABC had a "give Trump a chance" opinion piece written by some MRA-ish type this week http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-20/why-we-should-all-give-donald-trump-a-chance/9887104
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:05 |
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Gonna go against sentiment here and say that I just renewed my greens membership for the year. But I’m in electorates that could go green at the state and federal level. Either way, they’re the least poo poo option in a field filled with terrible options.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:05 |
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AgentF posted:Would like to hear more opinions on this. Although local charitable works is undoubtedly important, I've always thought there is value in working on the high-level, long-term fight as well. A single government decision to slash social security or imprison refugees or abolish HECS/HELP could offset the charitable work of hundreds of volunteers, right? It seems that politics is a harder, longer-term struggle, with few short-term results but still one that cannot afford to be ignored. History is not a long march towards inevitable progress. In the long run we'll all be dead. Political parties favour sycophants (Even the greens). The data-driven campaign model has been exposed as unreliable. We live in a representative democracy and the quality of local representative is directly related to the nature of the community they are from. Thread punching-bag United Nations Association of Australia (as an example of non-political party activism) has a greater effect on government policy than political opposition. Pros: politicians get on tv
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:05 |
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Dude McAwesome posted:Gonna go against sentiment here and say that I just renewed my greens membership for the year. But I’m in electorates that could go green at the state and federal level. I don't think that's been disputed, but I'm interested (and Agent F kicked this off) in seeing if there are more effective options for our cash money; a better return on investment.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:14 |
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Beetphyxious posted:I don't think that's been disputed, but I'm interested (and Agent F kicked this off) in seeing if there are more effective options for our cash money; a better return on investment. investing is kulak behaviour, gulag 4 u
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:17 |
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Birdstrike posted:investing is kulak behaviour, gulag 4 u an yet u live in capitalism
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:19 |
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Beetphyxious posted:I don't think that's been disputed, but I'm interested (and Agent F kicked this off) in seeing if there are more effective options for our cash money; a better return on investment. I’m sure there would be at the micro level, but what does $90/$180 get you on a macro level?
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:20 |
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:23 |
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"If I say it enough, people will think it's true!"
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:33 |
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I’m sure that the very wise voting public will consider the current fiscal environment and conclude that the LNP taxcut is a costly exercise that ultimately will not stimulate the economy and will be to the detriment of services, therefore deciding to vote ALP in the next election. Certainly they won’t listen to the usual suspects saying TAXCUT GOOD and vote LNP because they’re very stupid.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:37 |
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:43 |
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Dude McAwesome posted:I’m sure there would be at the micro level, but what does $90/$180 get you on a macro level? I'm going to be the only person donating to X cause / group / institution / paper?
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 00:44 |
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these loss edits are getting very abstract
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 01:21 |
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Wouldn't they need to print a retraction on this fairly quickly, given it's entirely un-factual? Also the Left Wing versions of the IPA include the Australia Institute, the Grattan Institute I think, is another one, there's the Asylum Seeker Resource Centre, and Getup! Itself. You got heaps of options there, but it depends what type of change you're seeking to affect. If you want to change government policy, you can't really beat involvement in politics - but that comes with great sacrifices. Not many people are willing to step up, especially if you don't live in or adjacent to Canberra. The commute would be pretty punishing, and then you have the Murdoch sycophants constantly trying to make you look like poo poo in front of the whole country. (And goons ITT eat it right up so I can imagine the rest of the country has a sizable helping themselves).
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 01:24 |
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Don Dongington posted:Wouldn't they need to print a retraction on this fairly quickly, given it's entirely un-factual? Nah, that'd only be needed if it didn't fit the LNP narrative.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 01:27 |
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Anidav posted:Issue is LNP has no one leadership material in the ranks after Turnbull. Shorten can easily play the status quo. Beetphyxious posted:I'm interested in this too, because I let my Greens membership lapse late last year for a number of reasons and would rather put that money elsewhere.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 01:29 |
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Cartoon posted:From his appearance on AM this morning I think Scott Morrison is positioning himself as the next leader while grooming Mathius Corman for treasury. How and when this plays out is less certain but given LNP politician's short attention spans I'd say immediately Malcolm Turdball implodes. red all the way through baby
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 01:34 |
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Lets all join the SALTies IRL
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 01:35 |
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Guys I've made a terrible mistake,
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 01:36 |
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Don Dongington posted:Wouldn't they need to print a retraction on this fairly quickly, given it's entirely un-factual? Ha Ha Ha! Very funny joke!! Also in my experience the Grattan Institute has been very much a centrist third way think tank. The Australia Institute is better (the neoliberalism thinkpiece in the guardian was by their chief economist) but not as left as many in this thread would like.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 01:36 |
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Don Dongington posted:
That's them. I've had my coffee so things are coming back to me now. I was talking about more long term attitude changes. I guess I could just wait around for all the boomers to kick it. That'd produce a swing in the right (heh) direction and is technically a long term strategy.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 01:39 |
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BBJoey posted:not as left as many in this thread would like.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 02:16 |
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Gargasoulas (Bourke St Driver) jury has been discharged after being unable to determine whether he's fit for trial.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 02:23 |
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GIVE HIM THE CHAIR
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 02:24 |
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JBP posted:GIVE HIM THE CHAIR An odd request, but in fairness, he'd probably be more rational than our last few Speakers,
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 02:30 |
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JBP posted:GIVE HIM THE CHAIR
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 02:41 |
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I miss chair memes
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 03:00 |
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Former Auburn deputy mayor Salim Mehajer will spend at least 11 months in jail for electoral fraud. A magistrate imposed a 21-month sentence for 77 cases of electoral fraud in 2012.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 03:08 |
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https://twitter.com/Kon__K/status/1009935384883556352 answered by: https://twitter.com/hereistash/status/1009939897195433984 edit: @jarrodmckenna's origina tweet: https://twitter.com/jarrodmckenna/status/1009776019778068480
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I really need to sit down one day and write down my farming rants because I learnt a lot at my last job and have a lot to say about farming and why it's utterly hosed. But today in farming news: Farm workers entitled to overtime, farmers lose their loving minds. To put it bluntly - if the only way for you to turn a profit is to exploit your workers, you shouldn't be in business.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 13:05 |
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-22/food-fight-over-vegetarian-product-in-meat-fridge/9899404 More MPs upset about that one faux meat being sold next to the meat quote:A Government politician representing beef industry heartland has taken issue with the labelling and placement of a vegetarian product, describing it as a "traitorous protein" that should not be stocked on supermarket meat aisle shelves.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 13:13 |
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The kind of personality vacuums who get so up in arms about "I'm a fucken carnivore mate nyeah" and waste their time alliterating on it have more in common with the vegans they mock than anyone actually doing the shopping.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 13:19 |
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Lol lab meat and meat substitutes are probably the only viable and sustainable source of protein you idiot fucks. Didn't care about killing the car industry mistah speakah
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 14:11 |
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Soybeans undermining masculinity. Trojan horse mung beans lying in wait. I'm sure chickpeas are up to some sinister poo poo too.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 14:20 |
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So I made it back to Australia. I now have things normal people have, like a bank account and a therapist. Also I may not need to go on the dole after all.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 14:58 |
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froglet posted:But today in farming news: Lol the threats of "illegal behaviour" if the overtime is paid, uh bro that's undermining your argument. You have to go back to 2011 for ABS figures, but the demographics of farming is not a very cheerful outlook compared to its potential as an industry.
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 17:17 |
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I'm no expert but I'd bet farmers get hosed 10x worse by major supermarkets and brokers than by employees pay/conditions. Maybe they should join some sort of... Farmers Union e: gently caress now I want iced coffee
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# ? Jun 22, 2018 18:06 |
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Don Dongington posted:Lol lab meat and meat substitutes are probably the only viable and sustainable source of protein you idiot fucks. My dude, I have some huge news. Beans exist. quote:When red-blooded Australians peruse the aisle for red meat to feed their hunger, they are looking for good, wholesome, natural, Australian beef a) get hosed that commercial animal agriculture is somehow natural b) Red meat, such as beef, lamb and pork, has been classified as a Group 2A carcinogen which means it probably causes cancer.
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[quote="Zenithe" post="485346238"] My dude, I have some huge news. Beans exist. get a load of this guy i bet he farts a lot
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