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Epicurius posted:Kirk is a bookworm who plays chess, taught philosophy at the academy, reads Spinoza for fun, and figured out how to hack the Kobyashi Maru simulator so he wouldn't fail it. No idea how anybody can think he's not smart. Actually it sounds like you don't know much about Star Trek because Captain Kirk is a rebel and a bad boy who likes fast cars and getting drunk and having sex with green women. hope this helsp
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TV was different in those days. Screens were very small and they really wanted to make the colors pop, yet they also had to account for the fact a large portion of the audience still had black-and-white TVs. As you can see, this sometimes led to some questionable makeup decisions.
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Bones is a hussy
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Epicurius posted:Kirk is a bookworm who plays chess, taught philosophy at the academy, reads Spinoza for fun, and figured out how to hack the Kobyashi Maru simulator so he wouldn't fail it. No idea how anybody can think he's not smart. I’ve watched all the Start Trucks and didn’t know half of this.
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Jun 22, 2018 04:21
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I may be late to the party but can I hate on John Eaves too? gently caress him and gently caress his book.
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Jun 22, 2018 04:36
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gently caress John Eaves, always and forever.
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Kaysette posted:I’ve watched all the Start Trucks and didn’t know half of this. Hell don’t feel bad, you don’t even need to know half that poo poo to MAKE a Star Trek.
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Jun 22, 2018 04:49
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who the heck is John Eaves
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Nodosaur posted:who the heck is John Eaves A door to door knife salesman
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Big Mean Jerk posted:A door to door knife salesman 
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Timby posted:This is why I always get irrationally angry at people who insist that Kirk should have died on the blazing bridge of the Enterprise while battling Klingons or some poo poo. It displays a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. Eh, I still think that if they had a mandate in Generations to kill both Kirk and the D, both of them going out with him in the chair riding it solo to its destruction would've been the best way.
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I'm more upset at how the E-D went down than Kirk to be honest. The Federation flagship gets absolutely wrecked by some twenty year old Klingon hooptie? Who cares if they got the shield frequencies? Just target torpedoes and hold down the fire button until it's space dust.
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BrandonGK posted:I'm more upset at how the E-D went down than Kirk to be honest. The Federation flagship gets absolutely wrecked by some twenty year old Klingon hooptie? Who cares if they got the shield frequencies? Just target torpedoes and hold down the fire button until it's space dust. Probably a victim of those bad guns being changed to Klingons at the last second. There's been persistent rumors that they were meant to be Romulans (remember the dead Romulans on the observatory at the beginning that are never brought up again?) and the E-D would have gone out finally fighting a D'Deridex warbird. They were changed because they already had the bird of prey model and visual effects on file so that would be much cheaper than doing an epic space battle with a giant warship that's never been seen in combat before.
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They would've had to redo the Warbird model too, it was TV-grade, whereas the BoP was always movie-grade.
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skasion posted:Actually it sounds like you don't know much about Star Trek because Captain Kirk is a rebel and a bad boy who likes fast cars and getting drunk and having sex with green women. hope this helsp I don't see how he can't be both. He does break rules the rules, if it'll help him, he's adventurous enough to probably like the fast cars, he's not exactly sober, and he's chased plenty of dames Also I think he wanted to gently caress a mountain?
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BrandonGK posted:I'm more upset at how the E-D went down than Kirk to be honest. The Federation flagship gets absolutely wrecked by some twenty year old Klingon hooptie? Who cares if they got the shield frequencies? Just target torpedoes and hold down the fire button until it's space dust. Counterpoint, think of all the Federation starships that have succumbed to far less. The Yamato blew up and lost all hands due to the modern day equivalent of picking up a USB drive in the parking lot and plugging it into your computer. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.
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Much like all sci-fi Trek ships are as tough as the plot wants them to be. DS9 has the Odyssey hold out against 3 dominion ships that were explicitly penetrating their shields with every shot and even hit a nacelle on the first attack, which is almost always a death sentence for any other Trek ship. They were only destroyed because they got rammed. Then in the big battles and the war itself I guess every ship forgot to turn on their shields and packed their ships with explosives because they’re blowing up with single shots all the time.
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I will say that Picard seems oddly chill about the whole thing. "Eh, don't worry about it, Will. Insurance should cover it and I was planning to trade it in anyway."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQU86x3TCgQ
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BrandonGK posted:I will say that Picard seems oddly chill about the whole thing. "Eh, don't worry about it, Will. Insurance should cover it and I was planning to trade it in anyway." It's just a ship, they can always build another one. Just look at Sisko, the Defiant gets blown up by the Breen and he just gets Starfleet to rename another ship the Defiant and assign it to him. If anything, Kirk seems to be the odd one out among the captains for being so passionately attached to his ship. Sisko gets another ship of the same class right off the assembly line without missing a beat, Picard trades in for a better model.
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Cythereal posted:It's just a ship, they can always build another one. Just look at Sisko, the Defiant gets blown up by the Breen and he just gets Starfleet to rename another ship the Defiant and assign it to him. And in an age of replicators, the Sisko/Picard mentality makes far more sense. The whole point of being a post-scarcity society is that you don't have to get weirdly attached to material things anymore. I mean, not to be a total goon here, I get having sentimental value for something like Sisko's baseball, but attachment to a ship seems irrational, be attached to her crew and the memories you had, the ship itself is just bulkheads.
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Cythereal posted:It's just a ship, they can always build another one. Just look at Sisko, the Defiant gets blown up by the Breen and he just gets Starfleet to rename another ship the Defiant and assign it to him. Yeah but the carpet was all wrong
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Tsaedje posted:Yeah but the carpet was all wrong 176 episodes, still my favorite Bashir moment.
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After The War posted:Yeah, that Double Punches are Alright time for video spam, someone made clips of her favorite Kirk fight moves and they are also my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NyFC2DKWJM The Kirk Chop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPuOMDpiNtM The Kirk Drop Kick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSHCNTELFI8 The Wall of Destruction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyxCLlARP_w The Human Projectile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pighpPCNPU Bowling for Bad Guys, ft. redshirt yeoman kicking rear end
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Holy poo poo lmao
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Timely, Engadget has a write-up today about Babylon 5 picture quality. https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/22/babylon-5-digital-video-quality/
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BrandonGK posted:I will say that Picard seems oddly chill about the whole thing. "Eh, don't worry about it, Will. Insurance should cover it and I was planning to trade it in anyway." Well, he did just rip himself away from eternal bliss and immortality to save billions of lives and watched a larger-than-life legend die unceremoniously doing the same. I'd say he's probably coming to terms with impermanence at that point.
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Kibayasu posted:Much like all sci-fi Trek ships are as tough as the plot wants them to be. DS9 has the Odyssey hold out against 3 dominion ships that were explicitly penetrating their shields with every shot and even hit a nacelle on the first attack, which is almost always a death sentence for any other Trek ship. They were only destroyed because they got rammed. Then in the big battles and the war itself I guess every ship forgot to turn on their shields and packed their ships with explosives because they’re blowing up with single shots all the time. My favorite joke was that someone forgot to mention to the special effects guys that the shields were working again.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:My favorite joke was that someone forgot to mention to the special effects guys that the shields were working again. Speaking of shields, it's wild that Generations was the first time we actually saw them in a movie.
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You see them in ST:VI. It's just that prior to TNG, shields were depicted as skin tight rather than a bubble. When the Enterprise-A is taking torpedo hit after torpedo hit, the way the energy is dispersed is showing the shields. They can't fully mitigate the energy, so the hull takes scarring. It's only after the shields fail that a torpedo punches straight through the hull.
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That all said, my bigger complaint wasn't so much with ships getting instantly popped left and right (even as far as the battle composition goes, that's not my biggest gripe) as it was with the interior shots showing the ship constantly shaking and lighting off a whole fireworks stand every time the ship took a hit, no matter how glancing it was. Save the rattling for when the ship actually takes a hit, and save the pyrotechnics for when the ship's actually getting the stuffing beat out of it.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That all said, my bigger complaint wasn't so much with ships getting instantly popped left and right (even as far as the battle composition goes, that's not my biggest gripe) as it was with the interior shots showing the ship constantly shaking and lighting off a whole fireworks stand every time the ship took a hit, no matter how glancing it was. Save the rattling for when the ship actually takes a hit, and save the pyrotechnics for when the ship's actually getting the stuffing beat out of it. Next you'll say they don't need to have rocks inside the consoles.
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Sash! posted:I don't see how he can't be both. He does break rules the rules, if it'll help him, he's adventurous enough to probably like the fast cars, he's not exactly sober, and he's chased plenty of dames Also I think he wanted to gently caress a mountain? Listen if you're going to insist on a multifaceted and dynamic character instead of a 2d cardboard cutout that creates only shallow connections then you can just get outta the tv industry
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HIJK posted:Listen if you're going to insist on a multifaceted and dynamic character instead of a 2d cardboard cutout that creates only shallow connections then you can just get outta the tv industry Have you ever met good friend of this thread, Elim Garak?
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Cythereal posted:Probably a victim of those bad guns being changed to Klingons at the last second. There's been persistent rumors that they were meant to be Romulans (remember the dead Romulans on the observatory at the beginning that are never brought up again?) and the E-D would have gone out finally fighting a D'Deridex warbird. They were changed because they already had the bird of prey model and visual effects on file so that would be much cheaper than doing an epic space battle with a giant warship that's never been seen in combat before. Yeah that money was better spent on uniforms they never used and a sailboat rental
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Cythereal posted:It's just a ship, they can always build another one. Just look at Sisko, the Defiant gets blown up by the Breen and he just gets Starfleet to rename another ship the Defiant and assign it to him. The gently caress. mods????
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bull3964 posted:You see them in ST:VI. Don't forget the shields taking V'ger's shot in TMP. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jun 23, 2018 |
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TMP had loving seat belts and head rests that would activate on Red Alert. Not to mention that amazing paint job of the refit. A lot of people don't give TMP credit due to the slow pacing and the redic costumes. Like when Kirk addresses the crew they are legit multicultural and multiracial-- I think there is like a turban, sari, and Native American head dress in the single shot of the crew. jeeves fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Jun 23, 2018 |
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DrNutt posted:The gently caress. mods???? lol it's even consistent with the actor's love life
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah that money was better spent on uniforms they never used and a sailboat rental You mean the uniforms that they didn't even bother to make-- ie: Riker wearing Sisko's one? At least the set lighting of Generations was cool. That's about it.
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