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Surprise Giraffe posted:my phones are secure People with phones whose batteries exploded had never had a problem with their batteries exploding. (FWIW, there's millions of compromised phones around the world in use today. I've posted info here about them in the past.) Desk Lamp posted:You are essentially saying that by running a fork of Android, Samsung phones must be buggier, a law of nature you called it even, and since: This is accurate, but also you're missing the forest for the trees. Any single instance of any phone that adds more code to Android may or may not have extra bugs and those extra bugs may or may not be in areas that matter. Your S9 may be more secure and more reliable than a Pixel XL 2. You don't know and I don't know if that's true. What we can know is that on average, phones made by manufacturers who add code to Android are going to have more faults than Android without added code. The problem is that us end users have no idea and cannot tell if our phone is "buggier" (for reasonable values of "buggy") than some other phone and we cannot tell if those bugs are going to be bugs that lead to security vulnerabilities or lower reliability. The one thing we can do if we're so inclined is minimize our exposure to software faults. edit: Oh, also, saying that worrying about this is like polishing a turd presumes that we can know the relative risks between, say, a Pixel and a Galaxy. For all we know a Galaxy might be 4 times as secure as a Pixel...or the other way around. We can't know, we can only make our best guess. Thermopyle fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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After skipping the 2 I will probably buy the 3xl because I like big cellphones and do not mind notches
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Ars got to spend time with Duplex. (Duplex is the thing where a Google AI calls and talks to restaurants to make reservations for you and sounds amazingly human while doing it) Thermopyle fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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Jun 27, 2018 17:10
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Pixel 3 goes on sale September 16, 2018 I know this cause the $50 referral coupons they are giving out expire September 15, 2018
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Jun 27, 2018 17:15
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Yeah, I really doubt they are launching a phone on a Sunday. So signs point to it being Oct 4th like before, I just hope they can ship promptly and have all color combinations available AT launch.
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Jun 27, 2018 17:25
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I wonder if they'll do something like "Preorder and get Pixel Buds!" considering all the flack they got from no headphone jack and forcing everyone to buy new headphones. ...Though it's Google so probably not. I could see them just doing a "25% discount" or "50% discount" on them instead. Or just another Google Home Mini. They give those away like candy. Or, to be pure Google, a free or discount on whatever the supposed watch will be called.
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I do wonder what they might do for Trade Up this time. The P2's got a pretty good Warranty extension as well as good software support length, but I still feel they will do a incentive to get you to buy the 3. I just can't imagine the battery alone making it over 2 years, and God knows what sort of long term death clock is lurking inside these phones. At least the worst thing on my phone has been the top speaker and (so far) no other issues like the Pixel 1's Mic Issue or some such... One thing is for sure, the DP3 update has made this 2XL nearly perfect software wise. No crashes, Not a single slowdown like I was getting every time I fired up Maps and plugged in for the commute home, nothing. Its running amazingly which I don't think it's ran this good ever.. Love it. Also from the reply earlier, The Display on the V30(+) isn't quite the same as the P2XL. They both are LG OLED's but then they differ quite a bit after that. Also the Vibration on the P2XL is good, but the V30(+) has I believe the haptic feedback similar to the Switch remotes, HTC Vive Remotes, Steam Controller, HTC12+, etc where instead of a motor its that new haptic generator which I don't know a ton about, but I don't feel the P2XL has... (I put + in the V30(+) because I am not sure what else the + brings that might have changed from the plain V30. As I am on Sprint, I have only seen the V30+ in person as well and it does look drat nice..)
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Thermopyle posted:
This is why I don't think updates!!! are worth the extra cash. Security isn't as big a deal as exploding doomfones. Either so few people have a problem with security no one really bothers quantifying the differences in how secure s9 and pix2 etc. are or Google and Samsung et all can't be bothered themselves.
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Hard to quantify when if they knew about security flaws they would fix said security flaws...
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Surprise Giraffe posted:This is why I don't think updates!!! are worth the extra cash. Security isn't as big a deal as exploding doomfones. Either so few people have a problem with security no one really bothers quantifying the differences in how secure s9 and pix2 etc. are or Google and Samsung et all can't be bothered themselves. The Pixel, for example, gets security updates every month that include long lists of found vulnerabilities that are fixed. The compromised phones are the phones not getting these. Of course, there are the vulnerabilities that no one but some bad actor knows about, but we know for a fact about lots of security vulnerabilities that are being used right now on phones all over the world that do not work on phones with the latest security updates. The reason you don't see a lot of info from Google and Samsung is that people generally don't care about security. They care about price and a few different features. They're happy if the guy in the store says "yah its secure", but they're equally happy if they don't hear a thing about security. Thermopyle fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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Here's a real simple example as to how it can matter. There could very well be a root vulnerability lurking undiscovered in all Android phones (just as there could be in iOS, Windows, etc.) That vulnerability might lead to a RCE that allows a botnet to be installed. That botnet then proceeds to chew up all your data and drain your battery. You factory reset, but since you can't be patched you get infected all over again in a matter of minutes after connecting back to the internet. Your phone basically becomes a useless brick since you can't connect it to the network without blowing through your data cap and battery in a few hours. So, now you have to buy a new phone (make sure you researched and find one that has been patched), and potentially wait a month for your data cycle to reset before it really becomes useful again.
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I see where you're coming from but at that point its the manufacturers liability, either legally or in reputation. Is that something that's actually going on? How much safer are Google's phones? Not a clue. More to the point, is the risk so drastic its worth the premium?
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Relevant https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/06/27/samsung-messages-bug-could-be-sending-your-photos-without-you-knowing-it/ Better hope Samsung messages isn't sending your dick pics to Grandma.
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Thermopyle posted:The reason you don't see a lot of info from Google and Samsung is that people generally don't care about security. They care about price and a few different features. They're happy if the guy in the store says "yah its secure", but they're equally happy if they don't hear a thing about security. The things that 99% of customers care about are is if the phone is an iPhone or Galaxy. They do not want a Droid phone because they heard one time from a friend in 2009 that they are slow in comparison.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:54
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 why would you design a phone that looks like this the O二O notch is ugly and then they give it a major bottom bezel On the upside the phone reveals after I bought my Mix 2S have been great for preventing buyer's remorse
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Jun 27, 2018 21:22
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That phone looks pretty decent. Much like the previous two generations.
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Do you want stereo front facing speakers? I mean, that's what is dictating the design of both bezels.
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bull3964 posted:Do you want stereo front facing speakers?
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butt dickus posted:I'd be happy with the speaker where it is on the original Pixel and no front camera at all. Getting rid of the USB port would be another plus, as would having an eSIM that works across all carriers. I've wanted a sealed all-wireless device since I got the Nexus 4 with Qi charging. Hope it never runs down or glitches or you'll be out a phone for a month unless you buy a second one.
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It feels like one year people are ok with the look of the phone but as soon as the next year hits, the old phone is immediately "ugly" and no one wants it. Maybe if everyone is so adamant on buying the smaller one, the bigger one won't go out of stock immediately..
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butt dickus posted:I'd be happy with the speaker where it is on the original Pixel and no front camera at all. Getting rid of the USB port would be another plus, as would having an eSIM that works across all carriers. I've wanted a sealed all-wireless device since I got the Nexus 4 with Qi charging. Wait are you the guy who shrink-wrapped his phone in styrofoam
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dont be mean to me posted:Hope it never runs down or glitches or you'll be out a phone for a month unless you buy a second one. My Qi chargers have worked fine since the Nexus 4, I'm sure they'll continue to work fine. Plus, I'm betting a wireless charge only phone will probably include one in the box so wouldn't I already have another?
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LastInLine posted:My Qi chargers have worked fine since the Nexus 4, I'm sure they'll continue to work fine. Plus, I'm betting a wireless charge only phone will probably include one in the box so wouldn't I already have another? You've managed to Qi charge a phone when it didn't even have enough battery power for that 'not enough battery to boot' screen?
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dont be mean to me posted:You've managed to Qi charge a phone when it didn't even have enough battery power for that 'not enough battery to boot' screen? I've never seen such a screen.
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Thermopyle posted:I've never seen such a screen. Same. Every "completely dead" Android I've ever seen would boot to the splash and die immediately which is obviously still enough to initialize Qi charging. Remember when Blackberry made the Playbook and if they discharged entirely (by, say, sitting unsold in warehouses) they were completely broken forever? CLAM DOWN posted:I like the looks of the 3XL I... do not, but I'll buy one anyway.
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Yeah, relying on qi charging for vehicles or in a backpack sounds fun. I look forward to bespoke Google branded rubber bands. That USB port doesn't need to go anywhere. My N7 would absolutely get to a state where you needed to charge it for a bit via USB before it would recognize a wireless charger. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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Oh, I haven't used our N7 in forever, but now that you mention it I have seen the screen where you've got to put it on the charger awhile to use it.
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Malloc Voidstar posted:
...I know hyperbole is a time-honoured tradition in Androidland, but let's maybe take a breath here. ThermoPhysical posted:It feels like one year people are ok with the look of the phone but as soon as the next year hits, the old phone is immediately "ugly" and no one wants it. Gotta keep those influencers churning through devices somehow. This is what it looks like in my hand, this is a photo of a plant and a cat, there's a brand-new battery in the thing so that's good, something happened at last year's Big Company Event, and there's a lot of GBs on the spec sheet. 8/10, upload article, wait a few weeks for the next box in the post. spincube fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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FistEnergy posted:Normal Pixel 3 is definitely on my radar  I wonder if the handset will have the same physical dimensions as the Pixel 2. Hope it doesn't get any bigger.
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Jun 27, 2018 22:52
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If the article that the renders came from is correct, both devices are virtually identical to their outgoing counterparts. There's like .1mm difference in some dimensions.
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bull3964 posted:If the article that the renders came from is correct, both devices are virtually identical to their outgoing counterparts. There's like .1mm difference in some dimensions. Oh happy days  Has anyone gone from a device with a Snapdragon 835 to one with an 845? I know the performing difference depends on a lot of factors but wondered if there were any anecdotal experiences. Diminishing returns won't stop my itch to switch to the newest Pixel. I'm such a failure.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Oh happy days The 845 uses the same 10nm process as the 835, so I don't think it would be anything like the insane battery life improvement I saw going from the Nexus 6p to the Pixel 2 XL.
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I'll skip this gen, 2XL has been chugging along fantastic. I'm looking to see what sort of potential miracle comes out of a Pixel Watch and if they can somehow make the buds not mediocre.
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Anyone know what the hole in the top of the pixel 3 renders is? It doesn't look large enough to be a 3.5mm port but doesn't really look like a microphone either
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gwrtheyrn posted:Anyone know what the hole in the top of the pixel 3 renders is? It doesn't look large enough to be a 3.5mm port but doesn't really look like a microphone either It's definitely 100% a microphone, for noise cancelling.
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Well at least I don't have to confuse it with a speaker. I thought one of the speakers on the pixel xl was broken for a long time until I looked it up and turns out only one of the two identical looking things at the bottom was a speaker that always gets covered up when i'm playing games Still not buying a pixel 3 when i still have a year worth of security updates left to coast on
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gwrtheyrn posted:Anyone know what the hole in the top of the pixel 3 renders is? It doesn't look large enough to be a 3.5mm port but doesn't really look like a microphone either Maybe they're bringing the 2.5mm jack back!
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Maneki Neko posted:Maybe they're bringing the 2.5mm jack back! See I was half hoping this was the case but on the other hand that's really dumb
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spincube posted:...I know hyperbole is a time-honoured tradition in Androidland, but let's maybe take a breath here. Seriously, that bezel is nothing compared to the 1's gigantic loving chin, plus it even has a reason for existing with the little speaker there
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