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ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

comedyblissoption posted:

spending more and more on bombs and more and more on iraq and vietnam wars certainly cannot affect domestic policy in any tangible way

I mean yes in absolute terms, but in real terms, the amount spent domestically vs on bombs aren't really related. As far as the us budget is concerned, resources are unlimited.

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Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


ojeda!!

https://twitter.com/ojeda4congress/status/1012126314554372097?s=21

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

I mean yes in absolute terms, but in real terms, the amount spent domestically vs on bombs aren't really related. As far as the us budget is concerned, resources are unlimited.
stop thinking in terms of money and start thinking in terms of labor allocation

someone building bombs as their job can't build schools as their job

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
hey what are the loving chances that if we weren't being robbed by every single military contract that we could slash the military budget and still like... not really change all that much?

I'm not saying we shouldn't change basically everything about our FP, I'm saying that the MIC is a disgusting parasite that if we actually paid for what we get we might halve our bloated defense spending just because so much of it is grift

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

former president wet-fart getting ready to spit some milquetoast fire soon!

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012176261849010177

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Uncle Wemus posted:

former president wet-fart getting ready to spit some milquetoast fire soon!

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012176261849010177

In other words, campaigning against progressives and quashing the possibility of a blue wave.

Unironically thanks, Obama.

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

Grondoth posted:

hey what are the loving chances that if we weren't being robbed by every single military contract that we could slash the military budget and still like... not really change all that much?

I'm not saying we shouldn't change basically everything about our FP, I'm saying that the MIC is a disgusting parasite that if we actually paid for what we get we might halve our bloated defense spending just because so much of it is grift

you'd save a shitton of money by just returning those jobs to people in uniform/civil service roles

unfortunately, every slot assumes that the person is going to retire and collect the pension which is wholly unrealistic, so it's cheaper on paper to just hire a defense contractor

and lol that works so well

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
Do you guys think that Democrats will realize that Republicans will paint all of them as far left socialists like AOC regardless of their individual stated positions so they lose nothing by actually embracing and running on those popular leftist policies?

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



Uncle Wemus posted:

former president wet-fart getting ready to spit some milquetoast fire soon!

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012176261849010177

we only lost a thousand seats during his presidency so this'll help lots

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Guy Goodbody posted:

Do you guys think that Democrats will realize that Republicans will paint all of them as far left socialists like AOC regardless of their individual stated positions so they lose nothing by actually embracing and running on those popular leftist policies?

they lose their corporate bribes and golden parachute lobbyist jobs when they retire/lose, as well as their place in the economic and social elite

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Venom Snake posted:

our only saving grace is parody universe rule means harris will lose the presidential nomination to an anime tankie or something

Senator K. Harris (CA) is going to lose BIGLY (:sad:) to Senator K. Harris (DE)

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Guy Goodbody posted:

Do you guys think that Democrats will realize that Republicans will paint all of them as far left socialists like AOC regardless of their individual stated positions so they lose nothing by actually embracing and running on those popular leftist policies?

no

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Guy Goodbody posted:

Do you guys think that Democrats will realize that Republicans will paint all of them as far left socialists like AOC regardless of their individual stated positions so they lose nothing by actually embracing and running on those popular leftist policies?

You seem to be making the assumption that mainstream Democrats actually want leftist policy, and were only running as centrists to win elections. In fact, they are ideologically centrist, and would rather lose elections than shift their platform.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

loving hell. I’ve been trying to convince a friend that’s been working for the dems to join dsa and today has basically made them snap and go full “democrats are the only way, we need democrats no matter how bad”

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

really queer Christmas posted:

loving hell. I’ve been trying to convince a friend that’s been working for the dems to join dsa and today has basically made them snap and go full “democrats are the only way, we need democrats no matter how bad”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LouyX9jeZpU&t=177s

later:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH1xF4qXLH8

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 05:51 on Jun 28, 2018

Minsky
May 23, 2001

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1012189211473170432

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

the drones are on their way to ms. khan's residence

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


aoc is handling her first day after the election very well

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1012190240981778432

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

comedyblissoption posted:

stop thinking in terms of money and start thinking in terms of labor allocation

someone building bombs as their job can't build schools as their job

yes the potential is there. the reality is if we didn’t spend it on Bombs we just wouldn’t spend it at all.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/Boston_DSA/status/1012050773616799744



sleep with the vicious
Apr 2, 2010

Uncle Wemus posted:

former president wet-fart getting ready to spit some milquetoast fire soon!

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012176261849010177

Ah the perfect is ah the ah...enemy of the good

*Immediately has all his lovely corporate measures rescinded, minimum 2 judges replaced, gets continuously owned by Donald trump

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Russia co-opts another candidate. Can nothing stop Putin?!

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

:hmmyes:

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
can someone post the friendship ended with meme of aoc thanks

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


lol i missed this
https://twitter.com/mjfree/status/1012076716888600576

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them

I knew Bernie bros were all sex pests

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

goddamn lol he’s right

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

this isn’t the Morgan Freeman

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Zoran posted:

this isn’t the Morgan Freeman

oh poo poo you're right.

oh well lol

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat

Ruzihm posted:

oh poo poo you're right.

oh well lol

THE morgan freeman released some very succ commercial a while back

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

https://twitter.com/IPM_Prime/status/1012211210316591104

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china

Mods please change my name to That's Taylor ham! tia

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

gradenko_2000 posted:

Russia co-opts another candidate. Can nothing stop Putin?!

this was supposed to be a joke

https://twitter.com/NaveedAJamali/status/1012196190207729664

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Guy Goodbody posted:

Do you guys think that Democrats will realize that Republicans will paint all of them as far left socialists like AOC regardless of their individual stated positions so they lose nothing by actually embracing and running on those popular leftist policies?

They oppose those policies. Not because it's politically pragmatic to. Not (in total) because their donors pay them to. They just think those policies are wrong and fiscally irresponsible because they are conservatives.

They defend the status quo and fear change...because that is what conservatives do. They are conservatives.

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/crulge/status/1012240764338868224

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

LMAO @ calling calling Bernie a grandpa ageist

we were on the path to perfect peace then someone implied that grandpas are old!

Egg Moron has issued a correction as of 09:27 on Jun 28, 2018

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/DGreenbaum/status/1012085360459952130

:thunk: :thunk: :thunk: :thunk: :thunk: :thunk:

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I listened to the latest Citations Needed, and they had on Thomas Frank, and I wanted to check if I'm grasping his argument correctly.

He said that one of the big reasons for why the Democrats stopped being the working man's party (or at least, even less so than they already were) was that in the period 1968-1972, the Democrats, or at least what would become the McGovern faction, was running against the Vietnam War, but organized labor like the AFL-CIO under George Meany was in support of the war, and the Democrats decided to abandon them in order to run on that anti-war plank, but it set off an arc that would only propel the party into becoming this "professional, upper-crust, technocratic" party.

Is that roughly accurate?

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