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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It wasn't ICE though, and I know I'm harping on this and looking like a nazi defender but this is exactly how Qanon can be what it is. Now that we know there is secret messages being communicated to us we are free to massage the facts, 13/88 is a stretch and DHS is basically ice so next time we talk about this we will say ICE wrote it and it said 1488, harmlessly simplify it down a little. Then the next time something happens we can reference back to those facts, now unanchored from the original story and start to get our own mythology, then we end up 40 levels deep of mythos that refers to other mythos. I get what you're saying, I've seen the same thing happen in some of the wilder left wing facebook groups I've followed. Some sketchy stuff is posted like mad, and then six months later it's accepted as fact. So let's stick to connections that are the least tenuous. DHS posted a 14 word statement that is very similar to the Fourteen Words We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children The same publication contained this text: quote:The increase in claims filed is not associated with an increase in meritorious claims. As of FY 17, the asylum grant rate for defensive applications in immigration court is approximately 30%. On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum. There is no explanation for why they used 88 as the denominator. If they had said 14 out of 100 claims, (and I know that adds a 14), it'd be reasonable to dismiss it as looking for numbers that match an agenda. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/15/we-must-secure-border-and-build-wall-make-america-safe-again I don't know where the Reuters 88% thing keeps coming from. It seems to be a non-sequitur.
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VitalSigns posted:I'm talking about the numerology stuff looking for magic numbers like 1488 or numbers which are "close enough" to those magic numbers like 13 that they can be rationalized into a post hoc fit if you want to find those numbers bad enough. 1488 isn't numerology you dipshit it's actual coded language they use
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Is it? "people are communicating to me through public coded messages" is like the most bullshit thing ever. It's not even like the paper used 1488, it used like, 1388 with 88 being the actual percent that passed the "credible fear interview" You are entirely made of trash. Not one bit of you is worth anything to anybody.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:This paper doesn't use 14/88 it uses "fewer than 13 out of 88". Where you just have to secretly know that the 13 actually means 14 and is encoding a message for you. Or you can just assume that the weird 88 is the part that matters and not the other number but when has being a rational human being stopped you from doing the stupidest poo poo
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:There is no explanation for why they used 88 as the denominator. If they had said 14 out of 100 claims, (and I know that adds a 14), it'd be reasonable to dismiss it as looking for numbers that match an agenda. 88% pass the credible fear screenings. Out of those 88%, 13% go on to get asylum.
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"H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet, so "88" is code for "HH" or "Heil Hitler". I took a moment to explain that because OOCC's complete ignorance about the basics of Nazi signifiers hasn't prevented him from lecturing the rest of the thread on how we are all wrong.
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SimonChris posted:88% pass the credible fear screenings. Out of those 88%, 13% go on to get asylum. That's not how the statistics work at all, actually, but do keep trying to make a release from DHS that opens with a riff on the fourteen words not a Nazi thing
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chitoryu12 posted:Are you just ignoring the part where it opens with a 14-word phrase that begins the same as the 14 Words? Or are you just going to keep harping about something else? I am going to keep harping on how conspiracy stuff goes off the deep end so quickly and the story changes from just being that to containing "also the article contains 13/88 and that is 14/88" to "the article contains 14/88" to "also ICE wrote it!" it's the escalation and mutation of coded secret knowledge that rubs me the wrong way.
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SimonChris posted:88% pass the credible fear screenings. Out of those 88%, 13% go on to get asylum. It's actually "less than 13% go on to get asylum". I bet if they used 100 they would get a whole number, but in order to use 88 they had to round down.
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Prester Jane posted:"H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet, so "88" is code for "HH" or "Heil Hitler". I took a moment to explain that because OOCC's complete ignorance about the basics of Nazi signifiers hasn't prevented him from lecturing the rest of the thread on how we are all wrong. You can change "the basis of Nazi signifiers" to literally anything and have it apply to his post history Hell, if you literally changed it to "literally anything" it would actually be a good summation
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I am going to keep harping on how conspiracy stuff goes off the deep end so quickly and the story changes from just being that to containing "also the article contains 13/88 and that is 14/88" to "the article contains 14/88" to "also ICE wrote it!" it's the escalation and mutation of coded secret knowledge that rubs me the wrong way. Nobody has said 13 is 14 in this thread oocc, I know reading is hard for you but please give it a shot
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I am going to keep harping on how conspiracy stuff goes off the deep end so quickly and the story changes from just being that to containing "also the article contains 13/88 and that is 14/88" to "the article contains 14/88" to "also ICE wrote it!" it's the escalation and mutation of coded secret knowledge that rubs me the wrong way. If combating the rise of incorrect information is such a vital mission for you then why don't you have the first loving clue about Nazi signifiers? Why do you feel that you are able to combat the spread of false information from a position of complete ignorance about the topic matter?
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SimonChris posted:88% pass the credible fear screenings. Out of those 88%, 13% go on to get asylum. Is the explanation just that they just super hosed up the statement and instead of saying: quote:The increase in claims filed is not associated with an increase in meritorious claims. As of FY 17, the asylum grant rate for defensive applications in immigration court is approximately 30%. On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum. It should have said: quote:The increase in claims filed is not associated with an increase in meritorious claims. As of FY 17, the asylum grant rate for defensive applications in immigration court is approximately 30%. On average, out of the 88 percent of claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 percent will ultimately result in a grant of asylum.
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Prester Jane posted:If knowledge being wrong is so vital to you then why don't you have the first loving clue about Nazi signifiers? Why do you feel that you are able to combat the spread of false information from a position of complete ignorance about the topic matter? Because he's loving stupid
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fishmech posted:He doesn't think social networks should care if people are openly grooming kids for sex or exchanging child pornography. It's not surprising he refuses to notice that ICE issued a Nazi as hell page. What the gently caress.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Nobody has said 13 is 14 in this thread oocc, I know reading is hard for you but please give it a shot Yeah oocc, you are the only one equating the 13 to 14. Literally no one has made that leap but you.
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Someone earlier asked "Why would they bother doing this?" and this is half of the answer, to cause dumb infighting on the left between "it's secret Nazi code" and "you're a dumb conspiracy theorist" The other half of the answer is that it's loving secret Nazi code to tell the other Nazis in America "hey we're in the government, keep on keeping on"
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Is the explanation just that they just super hosed up the statement and instead of saying: https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1012447869490647046 That seems to be it, yes. For the record, I agree that the title is ominous(and might very well be intentionally invoking the 14 words), but "88 claims that pass the credible fear screening" is obviously referencing the widely reported statistic that 88% of applicants pass the credible fear screening. DHS seems to be trying to make the point that it's too easy to pass the screening because very few of those who do end up getting asylum. This is also a racist point in itself, by they didn't just make up the 88 number,
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The 14 word title that invokes the actual 14 Words is absolutely the main concern, yes. But it's indefensible so people who want to defend it focus on the weaker claim.
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WampaLord posted:Someone earlier asked "Why would they bother doing this?" and this is half of the answer, to cause dumb infighting on the left between "it's secret Nazi code" and "you're a dumb conspiracy theorist" And this is where we go one level deeper where even questioning a claim of an instance secret signaling is all a part of the encoders' plan. There are false flags everywhere, the enemy is infinitely diabolical and clever, but also so clumsy and obvious that anyone can figure out the master plan. Moose-Alini posted:Yeah oocc, you are the only one equating the 13 to 14. Literally no one has made that leap but you. It was in the article that was originally linked bad day posted:Similar to Q-Tips, my Democrat friends have started seeing Nazis everywhere. One of them was flipping out about this nonsense the other day. That article posted:https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1012421614548365313 Goon Danton posted:The 14 word title that invokes the actual 14 Words is absolutely the main concern, yes. But it's indefensible so people who want to defend it focus on the weaker claim. I can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. I can say "hm that title is concerning" and also say "just because you replaced a 13 with a 14 in your mind doesn't mean it's a deliberate symbol"
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I think the stronger claim is, "it sounds like a government agency is trying to coyly signal that it's fine to be a Nazi and in 2018, i don't find that claim so absurd." Like we'll never know why they did it but the fact that i believe it's possible says a lot about this country right now.
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Hmm yes this swastika spraypainted on this synagogue is "concerning," but we shouldn't dismiss the idea that it is actually the work of an overly enthusiastic Jain who's trying to proselytize. Your theory about Nazis using symbols to communicate with one another seems a bit too far fetched to me, frankly.
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VitalSigns posted:
What part of your addled brain misses that the 14 is the 14 words and the 88 is the 88.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:1488 isn't numerology you dipshit it's actual coded language they use american white supremacists think theyve invented enigma machines with memes, so yeah at this point it might as well be occultish
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VitalSigns posted:And this is where we go one level deeper where even questioning a claim of an instance secret signaling is all a part of the encoders' plan. There are false flags everywhere, the enemy is infinitely diabolical and clever, but also so clumsy and obvious that anyone can figure out the master plan. Nnnnooooo... this is where we understand that this is a thing neo nazis do and it is kind of worrying when the government of the US does it while simultaneously rounding up foreign children and putting them in camps, and maybe the government has actual neo nazis in it?
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VitalSigns posted:
But no one is doing that though. Not in the original article either. The fourteen words is one thing, and the 88 is another. The 13 doesn’t mean anything and no one is saying it does.
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Ague Proof posted:What the gently caress. That is seriously twisting my words. I was against some weird system where someone monitors the content of routine private conversations looking for crime. If someone is suspected of being a pedophile of course the police should be able to get access to their private conversations, but like, the police shouldn't be rifling around through YOUR private conversations proactively on some off chance you might be a pedophile. A crime stopping plan where the plan is just "intercept and read all private communication of people not under any specific suspeicious" is a seriously horrible plan even if the crime being stopped is legitimately a bad crime.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I am going to keep harping on how conspiracy stuff goes off the deep end so quickly and the story changes from just being that to containing "also the article contains 13/88 and that is 14/88" to "the article contains 14/88" to "also ICE wrote it!" it's the escalation and mutation of coded secret knowledge that rubs me the wrong way. okay let us know when that happens
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"Our conspiracy theory is better and truer" goons declare in conspiracy theory mock thread
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Moose-Alini posted:But no one is doing that though. Not in the original article either. The fourteen words is one thing, and the 88 is another. The 13 doesn’t mean anything and no one is saying it does. Someone was quoted saying that in the original article that started this conversation https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1012421614548365313 Goon Danton posted:Hmm yes this swastika spraypainted on this synagogue is "concerning," but we shouldn't dismiss the idea that it is actually the work of an overly enthusiastic Jain who's trying to proselytize. Your theory about Nazis using symbols to communicate with one another seems a bit too far fetched to me, frankly. Pretty different situation from people saying 13 means 14 because it needs to mean 14 in order to be the magic number.
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VitalSigns posted:Pretty different situation from people saying 13 means 14 because it needs to mean 14 in order to be the magic number. You are the only one saying this. As we have said over and over and over and over and over, the "14 Words" reference is the actual loving 14 word title that references the 14 Words.
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VitalSigns posted:Someone was quoted saying that in the original article that started this conversation hey VitalSigns, youre the biggest loving idiot in the world, stop posting moron. theres youre thirteen words
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Goon Danton posted:You are the only one saying this. As we have said over and over and over and over and over, the "14 Words" reference is the actual loving 14 word title that references the 14 Words. I've quoted it twice from the original article that prompted this discussion but okay sure the person saying it in the article isn't saying what they're saying, sounds good mate
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That one person may argue for something poorly is not a point against better arguments for the same thing.
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Jagged Jim posted:So how about that Q fella? I wonder what going on with that guy? I love how the Pope being a pedophile and Alex Jones is too nuts for mr. enlightened rational MAGA Man  (who honestly believes Hillary Clinton eats babies)
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The DHS paper contains these numbers in order: 1,100 7 50 2,500 300 eight 2017 600 73 53,908 94 2016 23,573 43.7 73.5 47 25,965 53,908 2006 95 3.5 1,700 3 1,750 313,214 5 313,214 28 290,000 9 30 88 13 675,000 Now that we know agents are sending us messages through this article someone really better get going decoding the rest, am I right? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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TulliusCicero posted:
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OwlFancier posted:That one person may argue for something poorly is not a point against better arguments for the same thing. I didn't say it was. The pope protected child molesters, but if someone says "hey just because you look at a backwards photo of the pope and kinda squint at a backwards pattern until it reminds you of something else doesn't mean he's clandestinely signalling to child molesting satanists that way" it's absurd to go "wait are you saying there's no child molesters in the church!" I can believe there's racists and white supremacists in DHS, and also believe that it's paranoid to count the number of bullet points and then imagine there's one more which would make it a special symbol, but there's this weird echo chamber effect where I say the latter and you hear me denying the former because it's interpreted as an attack on the team. To the point that I'm quoting the article and people itt (not you) are just straight up refusing to read it or believe what it said rather than be like "ok someone who agrees with me said a dumb thing"
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