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But the initial complaint was that the idea that the DHS might make allusions to neonazi coding in their press releases about the evils of immigration, was laughable, which the majority of the thread responded to by saying "no that's actually kind of a legitimate concern" Thus, a suboptimal process of arriving at that point has minimal bearing on the conversation?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The DHS paper contains these numbers in order: A technofuturist is effortlessly coopted by fascists, raise hands all those who are surprised
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:A technofuturist is effortlessly coopted by fascists, raise hands all those who are surprised So unless you believe government agents are communicating secret messages in the denominators of random fractions and numbers of bullet points plus one you are a fascist? Is the idea now that Qanon and pizza gate were right all along but just not as skilled at reading the secret messages the government is slipping into our nation's fractions?
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Mate are you at all familiar with neo nazi coding because you really might want to look up where the 14/88 idea comes from and the history of the 14 words, before acting like it's not a real thing that nobody uses.
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The 88 stands out because unless you know that they've actually just totally hosed up the math, it's a bizarre number to use. When presenting a ratio, it's normal to either use the entire sample set (1837 out of 5951) or you simplify it to a small and round number like 3 out of 10. You don't do something like "on average less than 460 out of 1488."
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:So unless you believe government agents are communicating secret messages in the denominators of random fractions and numbers of bullet points plus one you are a fascist? Is the idea now that Qanon and pizza gate were right all along but just not as skilled at reading the secret messages the government is slipping into our nation's fractions? Shocking news: a nerd is completely unfamiliar with the idea of stunting on your haters. Have you ever seen someone teabag somebody they killed in CounterStrike? Why would they do that? If you can figure that out, You can figure out why neo-nazis, and even people who don’t consider themselves nazis or white supremacists but do love Trolling The Libs would do this.
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OwlFancier posted:Mate are you at all familiar with neo nazi coding because you really might want to look up where the 14/88 idea comes from and the history of the 14 words, before acting like it's not a real thing that nobody uses. It's the escalation of people that is bugging me. The paper itself is a racist concept. The title is suspicious. The 88 is literally just a random actual number from some other thing. It's what the actual number is. and people trying to act like 14/88 is really suspicious would be right if it didn't say 13/88 instead. The 14 bullet points claim is pure schizophrenia. People can make conspiracy theories out of real things too. The border wall is a lovely racist concept. The idea that someone made 13 bullet points because they know you know that 13 means 14 and 14 means nazis is bonkers.
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OwlFancier posted:But the initial complaint was that the idea that the DHS might make allusions to neonazi coding in their press releases about the evils of immigration, was laughable, which the majority of the thread responded to by saying "no that's actually kind of a legitimate concern" No I don't think that the idea that a 14-word phrase starting with "We will secure" could be a Nazi referring to the 14 words is laughable and said as much in like my second reply to you (and in pretty much every reply to everyone where I said "okay but that's not the same as changing numbers to other numbers that you want them to be"). Maybe it is a Nazi, at the very least I don't think it's automatically crazy to think it's a legitimate concern (in fact it would be a legitimate concern even if it were somehow proven to be a coincidence because even accidental Nazi symbolism should be edited once noticed!) My criticism was confined to the post hoc theory-fitting stuff where 13 is "close enough" to 14, and instead of just going "yeah that 13 probably isn't a code number you're supposed know to increment by 1 to get the code" it's turned into this big thing, but I'm not sure we really disagree.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's the escalation of people that is bugging me. Nobody IN THIS THREAD that you are arguing with thinks the 13 means anything. It's just a byproduct of wrenching in 'out of 88' instead of 'out of 100' or something like ' fewer than 1 out of 10'. The 88 there COMBINED with the 14 words at the top that start 'we must secure' are the only argument anyone HERE IN THIS THREAD TALKING TO YOU is referencing. I don't care what other kooks on Twitter say, and it appears that everyone else here agrees that the 13 bullet points and 13 in the fraction are unimportant.
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Nobody IN THIS THREAD that you are arguing with thinks the 13 means anything. It's just a byproduct of wrenching in 'out of 88' instead of 'out of 100' or something like ' fewer than 1 out of 10'. The 88 there COMBINED with the 14 words at the top that start 'we must secure' are the only argument anyone HERE IN THIS THREAD TALKING TO YOU is referencing. I don't care what other kooks on Twitter say, and it appears that everyone else here agrees that the 13 bullet points and 13 in the fraction are unimportant. The 88 is the actual statistic as reported by other sources. I fully am sure nazis work in ICE and DHS, they are terrible organizations. But I am also 100% sure they do not all conspire to reject 12 out of every 100 people so they can make a cool pepe number spread across like hundreds of immigration offices working intentionally and collectively. like that is what I am getting at, the catholic church has defended pedophiles, and is a bad organization but that isn't licence to slip down some slope of reading messages from the pope's chair. Like the title of that paper is super sketchy and you could convince me that an actual nazi intentionally made it that without doing a weird thing where you open flood gates that every aspect of the paper can now be dissected for secret hidden meanings. Like I get that 88 is a common nazi thing, but there is a lot of different numbers in that paper and not all of them are communicating secret tales to us. Or if they are, why just that one? are the others communicating messages as well and we just don't know? are there other government papers sending secret messages that you and I are just not nazi versed enough to know? Should we start a reddit subforum where we have people find and catalog these messages? Or did we just get it perfect on the first try? We know the 88 is a secret code but the number of bullet points isn't. Like a sane person reading the secret messages left by nazis in government press releases.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The 88 is the actual statistic as reported by other sources. I fully am sure nazis work in ICE and DHS, they are terrible organizations. But I am also 100% sure they do not all conspire to reject 12 out of every 100 people so they can make a cool pepe number spread across like hundreds of immigration offices working intentionally and collectively. No, the 88% statistic is something else, as proven by it being 88 out of 100 and not less than 13 out of 88.
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gently caress Whitey posted:No, the 88% statistic is something else, as proven by it being 88 out of 100 and not less than 13 out of 88. That's already been pointed out to them.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The 88 is the actual statistic as reported by other sources. I fully am sure nazis work in ICE and DHS, they are terrible organizations. But I am also 100% sure they do not all conspire to reject 12 out of every 100 people so they can make a cool pepe number spread across like hundreds of immigration offices working intentionally and collectively. Sweet mother of bad-faith arguments Batman!
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The 88 is the actual statistic as reported by other sources. I fully am sure nazis work in ICE and DHS, they are terrible organizations. But I am also 100% sure they do not all conspire to reject 12 out of every 100 people so they can make a cool pepe number spread across like hundreds of immigration offices working intentionally and collectively. 88% is an actual statistic, but the press release says 13 out of 88. In order for it not to be an extremely suspect number, you have to know that they (intentionally or accidentally) hosed up the math really badly, using two percentages as the two components of a ratio. The explanation that it's terrible math errors is quite a stretch too. I'm not aware of any direct statement by the DHS confirming that they just used the numbers incorrectly. Reuters has reported that maybe they were trying to talk about the 88%, but that's Reuters' theory.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:So unless you believe government agents are communicating secret messages in the denominators of random fractions and numbers of bullet points plus one you are a fascist? Is the idea now that Qanon and pizza gate were right all along but just not as skilled at reading the secret messages the government is slipping into our nation's fractions? OwlFancier posted:Mate are you at all familiar with neo nazi coding because you really might want to look up where the 14/88 idea comes from and the history of the 14 words, before acting like it's not a real thing that nobody uses. OWL FIGHT!
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This 14 words memo poo poo might just be coincidence but I'm really not prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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I think what he's trying to wrap his head around, besides the Iowa Test of Basic Skills: Reading Comprehension Section, is why they would do this. I think a lot of people go 'well thats dumb what do you think the numbers are magic'- I also think those people don't understand political visibility, at all, and how powerful a signal it is to white supremacists in office cubicles and dusty garages across the US. Like, it says, "psst we are the state now, go nuts, brother"- that's why it's alarming to me e: this whole Q thing is the natural progression of the insanely high levels of political visibility of hard-right conspiracy theorists over the last twenty years
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I guess if I was a white supremacist, and already used to coded messages like 1488 being a common way for me to identify like-minded people, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to assume that the Hillary baby rape cults are doing the same thing.
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Deathy McDeath posted:So how about that Qanon, huh guys? still weird and sad and funny and also tragicomically effective in activating Correct Smart Boys wherever it reaches anything new you wanna share, or what?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That is seriously twisting my words. I was against some weird system where someone monitors the content of routine private conversations looking for crime. If someone is suspected of being a pedophile of course the police should be able to get access to their private conversations, but like, the police shouldn't be rifling around through YOUR private conversations proactively on some off chance you might be a pedophile. A crime stopping plan where the plan is just "intercept and read all private communication of people not under any specific suspeicious" is a seriously horrible plan even if the crime being stopped is legitimately a bad crime. When Facebook sent out a survey on what should be blocked by facebook in an ideal world, one of the questions was about child pornography and pedophiles grooming kids. You refused to agree that the only rational response to what should be done in an ideal world was keeping them off Facebook. You then made up the evil government agency system to try to argue against blocking pedophile activity in an ideal world. Because you had to rush to find some way to defend a stupid Facebook decision. That's you defending child abuse, which is pretty hosed up! gently caress Whitey posted:No, the 88% statistic is something else, as proven by it being 88 out of 100 and not less than 13 out of 88. It's really funny how both him and vitalsigns don't get this. All they can see is that there was a 13 there instead of a 14 while totally disregarding what was being talked about. Peanut Butler posted:I think what he's trying to wrap his head around, besides the Iowa Test of Basic Skills: Reading Comprehension Section, is why they would do this. I think a lot of people go 'well thats dumb what do you think the numbers are magic'- The Q thing is also the natural progression of utterly nonsequitur nonsense Republicans have spouted for years. They just spat out random keywords and got massive applause. Now Qanon posts literally just poo poo out a few disconnected phrases and maybe a full sentence, vaguely looking like a message, and it's gold - all the information content of a half hour republican campaign speech in 1/1000 the time.
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fishmech posted:When Facebook sent out a survey on what should be blocked by facebook in an ideal world, one of the questions was about child pornography and pedophiles grooming kids. You refused to agree that the only rational response to what should be done in an ideal world was keeping them off Facebook. You then made up the evil government agency system to try to argue against blocking pedophile activity in an ideal world. Because you had to rush to find some way to defend a stupid Facebook decision. There was both a 13 and a 14, but you gotta pick one dude. Also, this is VitalSigns gimmick, they do it all the time
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fishmech posted:When Facebook sent out a survey on what should be blocked by facebook in an ideal world, one of the questions was about child pornography and pedophiles grooming kids. You refused to agree that the only rational response to what should be done in an ideal world was keeping them off Facebook. You then made up the evil government agency system to try to argue against blocking pedophile activity in an ideal world. Because you had to rush to find some way to defend a stupid Facebook decision. Has this 'drag arguments from some other thread" helldumping weird thing you do ever work out for you? I do not support pedophiles and trying to use "you support pedophiles" is a real weird and creepy thing to try to pull into random arguments. Facebook has nearly a billion users and they should not read the private messages of the whole user base unprompted, even if that would potentially find pedophiles. That is a common opinion and the structure of pretty much every kind of search and privacy law in every free country on earth and if you want a thread about that make a thread about that instead of pulling it up weirdly and unprompted in some other thread months later.
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Siljmonster posted:There was both a 13 and a 14, but you gotta pick one dude. Sure but ignoring the 14 to pick the 13 seems dumber than most defenders there. But yeah, I suppose they might. Owlofcreamcheese posted:Has this 'drag arguments from some other thread" helldumping weird thing you do ever work out for you? I do not support pedophiles and trying to use "you support pedophiles" is a real weird and creepy thing to try to pull into random arguments. Facebook has nearly a billion users and they should not read the private messages of the whole user base unprompted, even if that would potentially find pedophiles. That is a common opinion and the structure of pretty much every kind of search and privacy law in every free country on earth and if you want a thread about that make a thread about that instead of pulling it up weirdly and unprompted in some other thread months later. It is not a common opinion that in an ideal world, websites should allow child porn and sexual harassment of minors. That's your opinion and that's why you are warned about now. It's why it's gross that you apparently work around kids. And it's hardly hell dumping to remember your own words you were yelling in text like 2 months prior. Of course you think it's unfair to say a nazi is a nazi too, so, it's clear you believe we should pretend nothing insidious ever happens.
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fishmech posted:It is not a common opinion that in an ideal world, websites should allow child porn and sexual harassment of minors. Man, this is really loving out of line. You know I don't support any of that and did not say that in that thread and trying to make this some thing you campaign about in multiple threads because you dislike me is hosed up. I said facebook should not mass monitor private messages. Period. You are doing some dumb "why shouldn't the government tap everyone's phone, they could catch a terrorist" nonsense and trying to paint me as some terrorist supporter if I think police should get warrants to tap phones. Saying private communication of random citizens should not be monitored is not some pedophile support thing. It's the normal operation of literally every free country on earth. I have no issue with a suspected pedophile having his communication legally tapped within reasonable legal guidelines.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Has this 'drag arguments from some other thread" helldumping weird thing you do ever work out for you? I do not support pedophiles and trying to use "you support pedophiles" is a real weird and creepy thing to try to pull into random arguments. Facebook has nearly a billion users and they should not read the private messages of the whole user base unprompted, even if that would potentially find pedophiles. That is a common opinion and the structure of pretty much every kind of search and privacy law in every free country on earth and if you want a thread about that make a thread about that instead of pulling it up weirdly and unprompted in some other thread months later. having a memory of the last couple months of an active thread is not helldumping Owlofcreamcheese posted:Man, this is really loving out of line. You know I don't support any of that and did not say that in that thread and trying to make this some thing you campaign about in multiple threads because you dislike me is hosed up. I said facebook should not mass monitor private messages. Period. You are doing some dumb "why shouldn't the government tap everyone's phone, they could catch a terrorist" nonsense and trying to paint me as some terrorist supporter if I think police should get warrants to tap phones. Saying private communication of random citizens should not be monitored is not some pedophile support thing. It's the normal operation of literally every free country on earth. I have no issue with a suspected pedophile having his communication legally tapped within reasonable legal guidelines. its incredibly ironic watching you get mad about people taking your words out of context when that is basically all you do, and then when its finally factually proven you're wrong instead of admitting ti and adjusting your worldview you run off like a coward also facebook is a private platform and logs all your poo poo anyway so at that point they should be expected to keep an eye on the poo poo they log, unlike the government, which you do not sign all your data over to when you're born
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Man, this is really loving out of line. You know I don't support any of that and did not say that in that thread and trying to make this some thing you campaign about in multiple threads because you dislike me is hosed up. I said facebook should not mass monitor private messages. Period. You are doing some dumb "why shouldn't the government tap everyone's phone, they could catch a terrorist" nonsense and trying to paint me as some terrorist supporter if I think police should get warrants to tap phones. Saying private communication of random citizens should not be monitored is not some pedophile support thing. It's the normal operation of literally every free country on earth. I have no issue with a suspected pedophile having his communication legally tapped within reasonable legal guidelines. You do support that stuff, it's what youre arguing meant then and means now. You keep trying to dump other stuff on but you were specifically against monitoring child molestor behavior in an ideal world. It's hosed, there was an easy answer on the Facebook test and it was to never allow such content. You insisted other options were valid. And now you come in here to defend the nazis just as you defended Facebook and active child predators. Please stop working for schools, you shouldn't be trusted for the nazi love alone. BENGHAZI 2 posted:
Exactly, and the question was even ideal world where there were no ill risks. An easy question, yet he got it wrong. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This 14 words memo poo poo might just be coincidence but I'm really not prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. Please stop talking about this I got probated for 6 hours today and I hadn’t even looked at SA for like 24 hours. I meant it as an example of how my Facebook friends see coded Nazi imagery EVERYWHERE and in my opinion you could probably look at any random government document and find evidence of secret nazism somewhere in the article, by cherry picking. Maybe it wasn’t a good example but it was only the most recent of like 20 different posts calling people Nazis I see every week on Facebook. Anyway I don’t want to get probated again. I’ve learned my lesson. I’ll stop posting in d&d. Please don’t continue arguing about this and get me probated again for the same set of posts.
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bad day posted:Please stop talking about this I got probated for 6 hours today and I hadn’t even looked at SA for like 24 hours. I meant it as an example of how my Facebook friends see coded Nazi imagery EVERYWHERE and in my opinion you could probably look at any random government document and find evidence of secret nazism somewhere in the article, by cherry picking. Maybe it wasn’t a good example but it was only the most recent of like 20 different posts calling people Nazis I see every week on Facebook. I mean, it sounds like you learned one lesson, but it was a completely different lesson from the intended one. Or not, since this is D&D after all.
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bad day posted:Anyway I don’t want to get probated again. I’ve learned my lesson. I’ll stop posting in d&d. Please don’t continue arguing about this and get me probated again for the same set of posts. That post started this whole mess which is why you got probated for it. Try not to start derails in the future. Deathy McDeath posted:So how about that Qanon, huh guys? But yeah basically this also ya'll report at the drop of a hat in this thread, god drat
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Party Plane Jones posted:That post started this whole mess which is why you got probated for it. Try not to start derails in the future. honestly a discussion about actual dogwhistles wouldn't be too far out of line for this thread. it fits nicely into a discussion of fake coded language as a counterpoint/example of the real deal. arguing about how the people hearing them are delusional based on the arguments of people not in this thread, and continuing to argue those points despite nobody in this thread putting them forth, on the other hand, is basically oocc's posting history and it should be reported constantly
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