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Coldforge posted:Playoff odds from Oddshark: Rams please do better with your good team than last year. I think third place is a toss-up and could even be 49ers if Jimmy disappoints.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Rams please do better with your good team than last year. I really think the niners are.being over-rated / the trendy comeback team pick. I hope they turn out like the rams of years past. Always hyped for a breakout but simply not putting it all together
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EmbryoSteve posted:I really think the niners are.being over-rated / the trendy comeback team pick. I hope they turn out like the rams of years past. Always hyped for a breakout but simply not putting it all together There is a difference between those teams and this one in that they are not coached by Jeff Fisher.
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https://twitter.com/BR_NFL/status/1016140471347830785?s=19
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I was so happy to see him in a Pats jersey for this!
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 What the gently caress is it with guys leaving the NFL and deciding to take up doing felonies as their next project?
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Keith Atherton posted:
Tbf, this case is probably just a one-off thing unique to Browner and his NFL history; playing for the Seahawks followed by the Patriots didn’t exactly give him a solid grounding in legal or ethical behavior.
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Jimmy G's gonna get arrested for smoking crack in a dumpster after he washes out of the league. Book it.
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Keith Atherton posted:
if you do pretty much any football act off the field, it's a felony
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Also there's been several thousand young men in the NFL over the last say three decades, if they commit crimes at the same rate as the general population we should expect dozens annually and that would not say anything meaningful about the NFL itself.
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Leperflesh posted:Also there's been several thousand young men in the NFL over the last say three decades, if they commit crimes at the same rate as the general population we should expect dozens annually and that would not say anything meaningful about the NFL itself. If you correct for wealth I think it's pretty abnormal. Not to mention that when they're autopsied half their brain has "somehow" melted away
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https://twitter.com/AZCardinals/status/1016490230382116864 Jed York is gonna come out as pro-ICE tomorrow or something
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I don't like nfc w football I love nfc w football
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Bidwell is a sentimental fool so that does not surprise me one bit. Not to mention a veritable icon of privilegeJIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:I don't like nfc w football 
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Play posted:If you correct for wealth I think it's pretty abnormal. Not to mention that when they're autopsied half their brain has "somehow" melted away idk how much I buy into counting NFL players who didn't get their first payday til 21-23 as "wealthy" for demographic purposes
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indigi posted:idk how much I buy into counting NFL players who didn't get their first payday til 21-23 as "wealthy" for demographic purposes I pulled that argument out of my rear end so it's probably bullshit. But I do believe that playing in the NFL makes people more prone to violence for a lot of different reasons.
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I'm not sure what exactly it stands for but it's just the general population of men aged 20-39. From what I can tell football players are arrested at much lower rates in terms of property crime and public order crimes, they are reasonably far above average in terms of violent crime.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:What the heck is UCR? Universal Crime Rate
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:What the heck is UCR? Uncircumsised Runningback
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Play posted:I pulled that argument out of my rear end so it's probably bullshit. But I do believe that playing in the NFL makes people more prone to violence for a lot of different reasons. The lack of a label on the y axis is a big problem. The extreme swinginess of the NFL line suggests a very small sample size such that random variance had an outsized effect, and that in turn suggests too small of a sample size to draw a valid conclusion. I suspect the too-small sample size is because this tracks only current and not former NFL players. Where did you get the chart from?
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Leperflesh posted:The lack of a label on the y axis is a big problem. The extreme swinginess of the NFL line suggests a very small sample size such that random variance had an outsized effect, and that in turn suggests too small of a sample size to draw a valid conclusion. The National Felon League?: A comparison of NFL arrests to general population arrests journal of criminal justice
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Ah right, thanks. The paper is behind a paywall on the various academic sites that cite it, but here's the abstract (taken from ScienceDirect):quote:Abstract The study citation list includes links to the UCR data for the reported years, but not the NFL arrest data. I do find e.g. http://nflarrest.com/ as online sources, but that data for example is only for the current (1700 actively employed) NFL players and not former players. But that data has e.g. 100 domestic violence arrests, 74 assault arrests, and 8 total murder/manslaughter arrests, over a period of 18 years. For domestic violence that's probably at or near a statistically valid sample, and arguably for assaults it's OK, but it's definitely far too few murder/manslaughter arrests to draw conclusions from. I suspect current, active NFL players are involved in more violence-related arrests than the general public. I would attribute that in part to their youth (they should be compared to a demographic specifically matching their age, which is younger than the general population); their newfound wealth and fame, which may affect behavior; and perhaps also the cumulative effects of head injuries, but it'd be pretty hard to tease out that particular factor from all the others. It's a fascinating idea though.
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Leperflesh posted:Ah right, thanks. The paper is behind a paywall on the various academic sites that cite it, but here's the abstract (taken from ScienceDirect): Yeah I wouldn't expect an immense difference, I mean they're still just people like the rest of us; in fact they're better off and theoretically have less reason (more to lose and less to gain) to commit crimes than probably some of us do. I think the factors you named are correct, though. Without being too specific I would also say that growing up completely immersed in the football world (as many of these guys do) can cause you to be deficient in areas that don't relate to football, for example your personal relationships. When you are adulated by people and women throw themselves at you also it would potentially distort your view of a normal relationship. Finally, there may be something to do with the fact that violence is taught, nourished and encouraged on the football field by figures of authority. I think for some players it can probably be hard to transition seamlessly to normal life after doing that basically every single day of your life. I think college and pro organizations could do a better job preparing players for non-football things but for the most part I just think it's interesting, not really trying to make any particular point.
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Rich people aren't less likely to commit crimes they're just less likely to suffer any consequences for doing them.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Rich people aren't less likely to commit crimes they're just less likely to suffer any consequences for doing them. I didn't say they did I said they have less reason to. Most especially an NFL player who will be found out and lose his job. They're also lectured all the time about not getting in trouble in a way normal people aren't.
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It may also be as simple as NFL players attract more attention and thus are more likely to be seen by a cop, or to have the cops called on them, vs. non-famous people. To put it another way: an abused spouse or girlfriend may know they have more leverage by calling the cops on their NFL boyfriend, while the average abused spouse/girlfriend fears that calling the cops will only make things worse after the cops leave and nobody else gives a poo poo. This is all speculation, though. My only point was that we lack sufficient evidence to draw (scientific/statistically valid) conclusions about how head injuries affect arrest rates of active NFL players.
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Leperflesh posted:This is all speculation, though. My only point was that we lack sufficient evidence to draw (scientific/statistically valid) conclusions about how head injuries affect arrest rates of active NFL players. Yeah that's not possible, and anyways some of these players are too young to really have damage to the brain. I think the social and emotional aspects we mentioned are the main difference. If there were numbers for retired folks I might guess the opposite though, that brain damage is the main factor.
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Play posted:anyways some of these players are too young to really have damage to the brain.  It literally only takes a single collision or concussion to really have damage to the brain brosef. Maybe they don't have Junior Seau suicidal CTE brain yet but come on this is an outrageous statement. Highschoolers are getting brain damage from football. Age is not really a factor in getting your brain busted playing football, all ages can be broke brained by this dumb bloodsport
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EmbryoSteve posted:
By "really have damage to the brain" I'm talking about the real hard poo poo which will have a large and obvious effect on behavior, which typically is the result of repeated, sustained concussions over many years, the kind of severe brain damage that causes Alzheimer's and other serious conditions. Obviously you're correct apart from that I'm really taking it from both sides this morning huh
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Hasn’t they been saying it’s those “micro-hits” they continuously take that leads to CTE, not necessarily straight concussions? (Though concussions will definitely gently caress you up, just in the more straight forward and obvious way)
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Yes. And there are kids with brain damage from one or more brain injuries. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cte-symptoms-youth-football-before-age-12/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5491586/ Hits sustained playing football as a child can have instant and devastating effects. The brain at that age is extremely vulnerable and it's increasingly clear that children simply should not be playing tackle football, ever. Most of the current and former NFL players would have been playing tackle football as kids.
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Tyler Hilinski, the 2nd string QB for WSU who committed suicide at age 22 earlier this year had his brain scanned, and it resembled that of a 64 year old from all the hits he had taken. And he wasn't even the starter.
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latinotwink1997 posted:Hasn’t they been saying it’s those “micro-hits” they continuously take that leads to CTE, not necessarily straight concussions? (Though concussions will definitely gently caress you up, just in the more straight forward and obvious way) Yeah basically every time your brain comes into contact with the inside of your skull it takes damage. It doesn't take a lot to have that happen at all, you can get a sever concussion just falling down on a hard surface, even if your head doesn't hit the ground at any point. It might actually be better to get a severe concussion because at least you can make note of it and maybe stop playing for a bit. The small ones you often can't even feel but they're happening, slowly eating away at your brain every single practice, every single game. seiferguy posted:Tyler Hilinski, the 2nd string QB for WSU who committed suicide at age 22 earlier this year had his brain scanned, and it resembled that of a 64 year old from all the hits he had taken. And he wasn't even the starter. Disgusting, and now imagine what it's like for a man who played in college AND the pros. Say he played four years in each; you could easily have the brain of an 80/90 year old person by the time you're 28. I think it's clear that some people are much more susceptible to this kind of damage as well, and some people don't seem to be much affected.
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drat I just realized next time we play SF I will have a son
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Intel&Sebastian posted:drat I just realized next time we play SF I will have a son That's good, because that game's going to be an abortion
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Rewatched the Rams - 49ers game from week 3 last season. Easily a contender for regular season game of the year. Hopefully the 49ers are better this season and a new (old) rivalry blossoms
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Play posted:Rewatched the Rams - 49ers game from week 3 last season. Easily a contender for regular season game of the year. Hopefully the 49ers are better this season and a new (old) rivalry blossoms #beatLA
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